Josh Holloway - Sawyer Appreciation #13: Dark days of the soul ahead.

**Hawthorn** · 05-26-2007, 02:09 PM

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~ Reasons Why We Love Sawyer ~

-Because he looks super sexy with his shirt off.
-Because the whole bad-boy thing is a real turn-on.
-Because he's not afraid to tell it how it is.
- Because he's sexy and smart!
- Because Josh plays Saywer, nuff said.
- Because we could all use southern comfort Sawyer style.
- Because Josh is the sexiest man on earth.
- Because we all want to save Sawyer from himself.
- Because he is king of nick naming!
- Because we sure as hell wouldn't mind being shafted with him.
- Because he reads.
- Because he wears glasses.
- Because no one can pull off the geeky glasses routine but him.
- Because we could all use a little Sawyer now and then..
- Because only he can make geeky glasses look sexy.
- Because he has the greatest one liners.
- Because deep down he really does care.
- Because he told Jack about meeting his father.
- Because "sarcasm" is his middle name.

(Please add more of your reasons and they will be put on the list!)

~ Future Thread Titles ~

- What STD did he get in Tallahassee???
- The artist formerly known as James.
- He don't need a diploma for us to love him.
- Because he is porn... period.
- Bring back the black shirt and the shades!

Season One Sawyer

Season Two Sawyer

Season Three Sawyer

Sawyer Action Figure

~ Sawyer's Nicknames ~

Aaron: Baby Huey

Alex: Lollipop, Sheena, Underdog, Sister, Sally Slingshot

Ana Lucia: Sweetcheeks, Sister, Cupcake, Rambina, Hot Lips, Bitch, Ponce de Leon, Ana Lulu, Lucy, Muchacha, Little Red Riding Hood, Amiga

Bartender: Slim

Ben / Fake Henry: The artist formerly known as Henry Gale, The Big Kahuna, Sucker, George, Captain Bunny Killer

Bernard: Bernie, Suzy, Norma Rae

Boone: Metro, Son

Cassidy: Cass, Cassie, Dimples

Charlie: Sport, Amigo, Rock God, VH1 has-been, Limey runt, Chucky, Tattoo, Baby-napper, Oliver Twist, Munchkin, Jiminy Cricket

Claire: Mamacita, Missy Claire

Mr. Eko: Shaft, Mr. Ed

Ethan: Jungle Boy

Hurley: Lardo, Pork Pie, Stay Puff, Pillsbury, Jabba, Hoss, Jethro, Rerun, Babar, Hammo, Mutton Chop, Mongo, Deep Dish, Grape Ape, Snuffy, Jumbotron, Esse, Avalanche, Grimace

Jin: Mr. Miyagi, Bruce, Chief, Cato, Sulu, Boy, Chewie, Daddy-O, Papa-san, Jin-bo, Crouching Tiger

Jack: Hero, Doctor/Doc, JackO, St. Jack, Jack-Ass, Chico, Cowboy, Dr. Quinn, Dr. DoRight, Sherriff, Brother, Hoss, El Jacko, Amarillo Slim, Cool Hand, Dr Giggles, Daniel Boone

Karl: Chachi, Cheech, The Kid, Bobby Brady

Kate: Freckles, Sweetheart, Belle of the Ball, Sherriff, Baby, Sassafras, Boar Expert, the Mighty Huntress, Hon, Girl, The Lady, Woman, Sweet Cheeks, Puddin, Sheena, Thelma, Pippy Longstocking, Shortcake, Little Lady, Honey, Kiddo, Magellan

Libby: Moonbean

Locke: Mr. Clean, Daniel Boone, Gandhi, Hoss, Brutus, Gimpy McCrutch

Munson: Costanza, Murgatroyd, Killer

Michael: Daddy, Boss, Pilot, Chief, Mikey, Han, Hoss

Paulo:Zorro

Pickett: Chinatown, Broken Nose Man, Boss, Blockhead

Places: Jungle of Mystery, Cave-town, Bear Village, Magic Forest, Rock, Islandtown

Policeman in Australia: Doctor

Roger Workman: Skeletor

Sayid: Abdul, Al Jazeera, Omar, Captain Falafel, Muhammed, Boss, Ali, Arab, Abu, Genius, Sheik, Buddy, "the terrorist", Chief, Gen-u-ine I-raqi, Captain Arab, Red Beret

Shannon: Sticks, Sweetcheeks

Sun: Betty, Tokyo Rose, Sunshine, Sweetheart, Hidden Dragon

The Others: Pirates, Bluebeard, Fishermen, Zeke, Aliens

Walt: Tattoo, Short Round, Kid, Kazoo

~ Sawyer's Quotes ~

Pilot

Kate: Where did that come from?
Sawyer: Probably bear village. How the hell do I know?

Sawyer: Guess what? I just shot a bear.

*

Tabula Rasa

Sayid: Excellent, walk through the jungle in the dark.
Sawyer: Ooo, afraid the trees are going to get us?

Sawyer: You're just not looking at the big picture, Doc. You're still back in civilization.
Jack: Yeah? And where are you?
Sawyer: Me? I'm in the wild.

*

Walkabout

Kate: Somebody's in there.
Jack: Sawyer.
Sawyer: Right behind ya, jackass.

*

White Rabbit

Sawyer: You're in my light, sticks.
Shannon: Light sticks? What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Sawyer: Light, comma, sticks. As in those legs of yours.

Sawyer: Well, it's about time.
Kate: For what?
Sawyer: I made this birthday wish 4 years ago.

Sawyer: So, how does it feel?
Boone: How does what feel?
Sawyer: Taking my place at the top of everyone's most hated list.

*

House of the Rising Sun

Kate: You still haven't answered my question.
Sawyer: You didn't answer mine. And I asked first.

*

Confidence Man

Kate: Must be cold without your trunks.
Sawyer: You bet. How about you come a little closer and warm me up?

Jack: Get up.
Sawyer: Why, you wanna see who's taller?

Sawyer: Baby, I am tied to a tree in a jungle of mystery. I just got tortured by a damn spinal surgeon and a gen-uine I-raqi. Of course I'm serious. You're just not seeing the big picture here, Freckles. You really going to let that girl suffocate because you can't bring yourself to give me one little kiss? Hell, it's only first base. Lucky for you I ain't greedy.

*

Whatever The Case May Be

Kate: I'm fine. I can take care of myself.
Sawyer: Oh, of course. I don't need protecting. I can take care of myself. Me Kate. Me throw rock.

*

Homecoming

Jack: You know how to handle a gun or not?
Sawyer: Well, I know atleast one polar bear that seems to think so.

*

Outlaws

Kate: A boar wouldn't just attack you for no reason.
Sawyer: Thank you, boar expert.

*

Deus Ex Machina

Sawyer: My uncle. He uh... died of a brain tumor.
Jack: What type of tumor was it?
Sawyer: The type that kills you.

*

Adrift

Sawyer: They found us because they were looking for us, for Walt.
Micheal: Don't you ever say his name again, ever.
Sawyer: Oh, what you gonna do, splash me?

*

Everybody Hates Hugo

Sawyer: You want me, Hotlips, you're going to have to come down here and get me... bitch.

Micheal: Everything is cool. We had a talk and they believe we were on the plane, too.
Sawyer: Swell. I guess we can all sue Oceanic together.

Ana-Lucia: Shut up. When I tell you to do something, you do it... I say move, you move... I say stop, you stop. I say jump, what do you say?
Sawyer: You first.

*

Abandoned

Libby: You want to let me just take a look at your shoulder?
Sawyer: What, are you a doctor?
Libby: A clinical psychologist.
Sawyer: You're a shrink? Well, maybe you ought to talk to my shoulder.

*

The 23rd Psalm

Kate: You know, you don't have to be belligerent just for belligerent's sake. Everyone loves you now.
Sawyer: Bullpucky.

*

The Hunting Party

Locke: Does any of this look familiar from when you were coming back?
Sawyer: Well, yeah, there's my favorite leaf. How could I forget this place?

Sawyer: Are you sure Mike went this way?
Locke: Why do you ask?
Sawyer: Oh, I don't know, Mr. Clean, I probably would have gone around Mt. Vesuvius.
Locke: Why'd you pick that name?
Sawyer: Ain't it obvious? All you need's an earring and a mop.

*

The Long Con

Jack: What are you doing here?
Sawyer: One second, I'm like this close to the high score on Donkey Kong.

Jack: Where's Locke?
Sawyer: I don't know. I think he said something about going to the store for a pack of smokes.

Sawyer: Uh-oh, it looks like we've got ourselves a theft. Who's going to call the cops?

Sawyer: New sheriff in town, boys! You all best get used to it.

*

The Whole Truth

Sun: How's your book?
Sawyer: Predictable...not nearly enough sex.

*

Lockdown

Jack: I've got to head back to the hatch.
Sawyer: Hatch ain't going nowhere, Doc. How about you put your mangos where your mouth is?

Jack: Do you even know what Amoxicilin is?
Sawyer: You may have been to Phuket, Doc, but I've been to Tallahassee. Let's just say something was burning and it wasn't from the sunshine.

*

Dave

Libby: I'm sure everyone can manage to just take what they need.
Sawyer: Great plan, Moonbeam. And after that we can sing Kumbaya and do trust falls.

Kate: What? I'm worried. You look like you got your ass kicked.
Sawyer: Don't you got an adventure to get to? I think Timmy fell down a well over that way.

*

S.O.S

Sawyer: Oh, happy day, here comes Dr. Giggles.

Sawyer: What, you got union trouble down at the sand factory, Norma Rae?
Bernard: Come on, Sawyer, I need your help. Now what do you say?
Sawyer: I say Pasadena.

*

Two For The Road

Ana-Lucia: Why don't you give me that one right there?
Sawyer: I ain't gonna gimme you nothing.

*

Three Minutes

Sawyer: I screwed her.
Jack: What?
Sawyer: That's how she got my gun. Ana, she jumped me. We got caught in a net.

*

Live Together, Die Alone

Hurley: Did that bird just say my name?
Sawyer: Yeah, it did. Right before it crapped gold.

Sawyer: So, these Others, you think they're left over from the Dharma folk?
Micheal: I don't know, man.
Sawyer: My theory, they're aliens. That's why they use the fake beards... their heads are made of pathetic.
Hurley: Prosthetic, dude.
Sawyer: You can't even spell and now you're correcting me?

*

A Tale of Two Cities

Sawyer: How 'bout you bring me an ottomon? And while you at it I could use a blow dry.
Zeke: Hey, you got yourself a fish biscuit. How'd you do that?
Sawyer: Figured out your complicated gizmos, that's how.
Zeke: Only took the bears two hours.
Sawyer: How many of them were there?

*

The Glass Ballerina

Kate: Nice alarm clock.
Sawyer: I've woken up to worse. Want half a fish biscuit?

Sawyer: How dare you?!

Kate: Quit staring at my ass.
Sawyer: Give me somethin' else to stare at.

Kate: What the hell were you thinking?
Sawyer: I couldn't help myself... you just looked so damn cute swinging that pickaxe. Chain gang looks good on you, Freckles.

Sawyer: You taste like strawberries.
Kate: You taste like fish biscuits.

*

Every Man For Himself

Sawyer: Sounded a little stuffy there, Chinatown. Need to blow your nose?
Pickett: Give me an excuse.
Sawyer: I thought I just did. What I gotta do, talk about your mother?

Sawyer: You know that chick they brought in on a stretcher? That's Broken Nose Man's girl.
Kate: They call him Pickett.

Sawyer: What, you think I'm crazy?
Kate: No, I'm actually impressed.
Sawyer: Well wipe the stars out of your eyes, Sweetheart. Because, we're going to do this.

Sawyer: Oh yeah. The Big Kahuna. Lunch already?

Sawyer: Is it that little place you always wanted George.
Ben: Sorry?
Sawyer: What, don't you read? It's from "Of Mice and Men". You'd like it. Puppies get killed.

*

I Do

Kate: Whatcha doing?
Sawyer: Throwing rocks.
Kate: I thought you had to pull the lever.
Sawyer: I know how to get a damn fish biscuit.
Kate: Then get me one.
Sawyer: What, you trying to keep me feeling productive?

Sawyer: And you and me are what, bait?
Kate: Somethin' like that.
Sawyer: At least the doc ain't dumb enough to do it.

Sawyer: We ain't on our island. We're on another island, like Alcatraz, couple miles offshore. So unless you're a mermaid, or you got a boat, there ain't no point.
Kate: When were you planning on telling me this?
Sawyer: Never.
Kate: Why not?! Why wouldn't you?!
Sawyer: 'Cause I wanted you to believe that we had a damn chance.

Sawyer: I love you, too.

Sawyer: Close your eyes, Freckles. Close your eyes.

*

Not In Portland

Kate: We need a boat.
Sawyer: Yeah, a couple of towels and a buffet lunch.

Kate (on the radio): Jack, are you there?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, I'm here.
Kate: Are you okay?
Jack: I'm fine.
Sawyer: Tell him I said "Hi". Get to the point!

Sawyer: This a hobby of yours, underdog, digging holes?
Alex: Yep, that and basket weaving. Want one?
Sawyer: Happen to have a tunnel to the mainland?

Kate: I've got an idea.
Sawyer: Of course you do.

Sawyer (to Aldo): Don't get mad at me just 'cause you were dumb enough to fall for the old "wookiee prisoner" gag.

Stranger in a Strange Land

Kate: If we just keep going we can circle round. Sooner or later we'll get to camp. We can tell Locke and Sayid what happened...
Sawyer: Oh, we will, huh? You got a map you ain't showing me, Magellan?

[Cut to Sawyer approaching Karl. Karl quickly wipes his eyes. Sawyer punches Karl in the arm.]
Karl: Ow!! What the hell was that for?!
Sawyer: So you'd cowboy up. Crying in the jungle -- I thought you people were supposed to be tough.
Karl [shoving Sawyer]: I am tough.
Sawyer: Sure you are, Bobby. [Karl looks puzzled] Bobby, the Brady Bunch?
Karl: What the hell's the Brady Bunch?
Sawyer: Okay, anyway look, Karl -- I've been with a lot of girls -- some of them worth the trouble, some not. Every now and again there's one -- one you name dumb stars with. So this girl, Sally Slingshot --
Karl: Alex.
Sawyer: Yeah. Do you love her?
Karl: More than anything.
Sawyer: Then go back to wherever the hell your yards are and get her back.
Karl: If I get caught -- they'll kill me this time.
Sawyer: Well, at least it'll be worth it.

Tricia Tanaka Is Dead

Jin: Sawyer.
Sawyer: Jin-bo! How you doing?
Jin: Good. See you.
Sawyer: Well look at that! Somebody's hooked on phonics.

Sawyer: Son of a...what's a head doing back here?!

Hurley: Dude. That beer's been there since before Rocky 3, maybe even 2, it's probably poison by now.
[Sawyer looks over at the remains of Roger that has been propped up beside the van with his head back on his shoulders]
Sawyer: Skeletor seems to like it.
[Sawyer taps Roger's skull with a can of beer]
Sawyer: Bottom's up!

Sawyer: I'm sorry.
Jin: I'm...sorry.
Sawyer: Ok, nice. Keep it coming.
Jin: Uh. You...were...right.
Sawyer: Ok. That's 2. Hit me.
Jin: Those...pants...don't make you look...fat.
Sawyer: Now you got it! Only 3 things a woman needs to hear.

Enter 77

Sawyer: Uh, uh, uh. We need to do a little Quid Pro Quo first. I know I've been gone a while and y'all thought the general store was having a going out of business sale. But now I'm back, and I want what's mine.
Nikki: Yeah, but it wasn't really yours to begin with.
Sawyer: A, it was mine when I took it. B, who the hell are you?! And C, because I'm fair...I'm going to let you play me for it.

Hurley: She'll be ok dude. Kate? I know you're worried about her. She's with Locke and Sayid. She's gonna be fine.
Sawyer: Yeah, well, thanks for the pep talk Lu...
Hurley: Uh uh dude. It's Hurley. Hugo if you want.
Sawyer: Get bent, Hugo.

Exposé

Sawyer: Right here. She stumbled out of the jungle...face planted...said something like plywood...and...an sayonara.
Hurley: Actually I think she said power lines.
Sawyer: Who the hell knows what she said. She was 5 seconds from dieing. Probably seeing the light at the end of the tunnel...

Nikki: Sawyer, give me a gun.
Sawyer: I got a better idea, sister. How 'bout you go stick your head in the ocean and cool yourself off.
Nikki: Thanks for nothing.
Sawyer: And who the hell are you?!

Left Behind

Sawyer: Uhhh...
Hurley: What?
Sawyer: You know how for [Sawyer studies a watch] 3 days, 10 hours and 15 minutes I ain't allowed to use nicknames?
Hurley: Yeah?
Sawyer: Well. You, Sir Hugo, are rotund, annoying, and you're ruining my damned view! How's that for "amends"?

[Sawyer is attempting to catch a fish with a long bamboo pole while Sun and Jin cast nets into the water a short ways away. Sawyer looks at Sun smiles. Sun looks away angrily]
Sawyer: Ain't gonna get the Korean vote.

Sawyer: Can we just do this?
Hurley: Do what?
Sawyer: Make nice?!
Hurley: Apologize for calling me all those names.
Sawyer: Ahh! I'm really sorry I called you rotund.
Hurley: Really?
Sawyer: Ah, God. You're worse than a girl! Come on! Let's...spread the love!

Hurley: And have you ever even asked how Aaron is?
Sawyer: Well, I know how he is, he...cries loud and he smells.

Claire: Is uh...is there anything I can do for you?
Sawyer: No. I just came by to...say your baby's... He's not as wrinkly as he was a couple of weeks ago.
Claire: Yeah, I guess he's not. Thanks.
Sawyer Oh and uh...this is for you.
[Sawyer hands Claire the blanket]
Claire: Thank you.
Sawyer: I don't like...blankets. Well, goodnight.

Sawyer: Son of a bitch. There wasn't ever gonna be no vote.
Hurley: But...wasn't it nice...being nice?
Sawyer: You tricked me into being descent? That's gotta be the lamest cons in the history of cons.

One Of Us

Sawyer [to Hurley and Charlie who are with Aaron]: Well, if it ain't 3 men and a baby. I counted Hugo twice.

Jack: Something you want to ask me Sawyer?
Sawyer: Yeah Jack, I want to ask you why you're fighting every single one of us and sticking up for one of them?

~ Previous Threads ~

#1: It's All In The Smart-alic Remarks and Those Dimples
#2: Who knows what season 2 has in store....
#3: He can put his mangos anywhere near our mouths!
#4: It's Sawyer's world, we just live in it.
#5: He's the nicknaming King on the island!
#6: If the Others touch one hair on his head...Grrr!
#7: Prison garb look good on you Dimples!
#8 We love you too, Sawyer.
#9 We've Been Dreaming About the Blue Shirt! *lust*
#10 Aye Aye, Captain Sawyer Is Back!
Sawyer Appreciation #11: No nicknames makes a boring episode!
#12: We may be appreciating James... soon.
#13: Dark days of the sould ahead.

misteriosa · 05-26-2007, 02:32 PM

Francesca, thanks for opening the new thread.

Suliet is cool.

I love season one promo pictures.

Does anyone else have a feeling that the writers try so hard to make Sawyer less likeable but they end up achieving the completely opposite effect?

First, he kills Cooper.
Sure, the man was evil and ruined his life but still we're not exactly supposed to side with a guy murders somebody with his bare hands.
The fans, however (even the majority of those who hadn't liked him before) were happy with his decision.

Then, the writers have him kill Tom, the Others' teddy-bear. Most fans liked the character and the actor.
Despite that, they found Sawyer's action was perfectly understandable.

Instead of posts saying ''I hate him now'', I always end up seeing those that say ''You go, Sawyer. It was about time.''

I'm really glad that most Lost fans seem to understand his motivations, whether he seems to be heading down the dark road or trying to redeem himself.

**Hawthorn** · 05-26-2007, 03:24 PM

As always, credit for the title goes to Maria.

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Suliet is cool.

Repeating myself because the last posts in the previous thread are surely going to not be read: I really enjoyed their interaction in the finale. I still can't picture them in a romantic or sexual relationship because the contrast between their different ways to react and their attitudes make me look at them more as cool siblings than possible lovers, but probably my Skate bias plays a part in this, because when I think of Sawyer with a woman, I can only see Kate. They've ruined my perception forever I guess showing him so much in love with her, lol.

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Does anyone else have a feeling that the writers try so hard to make Sawyer less likeable but they end up achieving the completely opposite effect?

First, he kills Cooper.
Sure, the man was evil and ruined his life but still we're not exactly supposed to side with a guy murders somebody with his bare hands.
The fans, however (even the majority of those who hadn't liked him before) were happy with his decision.

Then, the writers have him kill Tom, the Others' teddy-bear. Most fans liked the character and the actor.
Despite that, they found Sawyer's action was perfectly understandable.

Instead of posts saying ''I hate him now'', I always end up seeing those that say ''You go, Sawyer. It was about time.''

I'm really glad that most Lost fans seem to understand his motivations, whether he seems to be heading down the dark road or trying to redeem himself.

One thing is for sure: they've written for him actions that done by other characters, would've probably destroyed their popularity. Killing Tom in cold blood, the tree frog, sleeping with the most hated female character of the series, planning Sun's kidnapping. I've always understood his actions but I've also learnt a while ago that sometimes the writers's goal is the exact opposite. But I think in The Brig, they really tried their best to make us sympatize with him: all the times he said he wasn't going to kill anyone, the fact that he wasn't prepared at all for the encounter, showing us his pain during the confront inside the Black Rock, with Sawyer mentioning reverently the name of his mother, and after the murder, giving him a scene when he felt sick. Most of all, they painted Cooper as a real monster, there was no regrets, no humanity in him, he kept mocking Sawyer for the misery he has put him in. Then, you have Josh, and his amazing acting. Seeing tears in Sawyer's eyes for the first time in three years, or just the look he gave Locke when he opened the door after everything was over... I think they wanted the audience to know that he has been pushed over the edge: played by Locke, mocked by Cooper, screwed by a weird destiny that brought his worst demon in blood and flesh in front of him just when he was starting to be James again. After the episode, I surfed several forums, and I can't count how many times I read the comment "I would've done the same thing". With Tom in the finale, I don't know though.

I can't say if it's the character personality, or Josh's acting, but the main reason why the audience can understand Sawyer IMO, is because whichever emotion he's experiencing, is written clearly over his face and in everything he does. the emotions reach you viewer in a very powerful way, while for other character it's difficult sometimes to know what's going on in their hearts and heads. Part of the symphaty also lays, I guess, in the way Sawyer always pays the consequences of his actions, physically or psychologically. Again, his torment is clearly written over his face and usually, he does nothing to ease the pain, to feel better, to seek comfort.

misteriosa · 05-26-2007, 03:52 PM

I think it's somewhat frustrating for them write Sawyer.
Initially he was the second most hated character (I think that's what Damon said about the testings) but it began to change after the Confidence Man.
*For the reord I've always liked him. That episode just proved that my faith in the character was based on something real and deep. I was also happy and relieved he wasn't just a minor character.*
Pretty soon, he became one of the most popular Losties. I believe it's mostly due to Josh's portrayal of the character.

I think they are afraid to make him completely hateable precisely because he's such a viewers' drawer. They cannot take that kind of risk.

That's why Cooper was depicted as such a horrible, remorseless person.

You could say they did the same thing with Tom. His insistance on killing Sayid, Jin and Bernard was a way to make him less sympathetic to the audience and thus justifying Sawyer's action. But he did surrender and both Hurley and Juliet were there to point out that the murder was supposed to be perceived as cold-blooded.
*Tom hasn't really been written consistently if you ask me. He's gone from this dangerous guy who shot Sawyer, kidnapped Walt, held a gun to Kate's head, held both of them in cages to a sympathetic guy small-talking with Jack and playing football with him. They probably didn't have a real plan for the character and improvised his ''development''.*

Doing so they sort of soften his bad decisions, and perception of him as a character we should hate, but he still remains the only character with whom (along with Locke maybe) they dare to go to such extremes.
I think they want him to be considered more ''evil'' (for the lack of a better word) than he is. It's too late now I guess.

**Hawthorn** · 05-26-2007, 04:20 PM

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*For the reord I've always liked him. That episode just proved that my faith in the character was based on something real and deep. I was also happy and relieved he wasn't just a minor character.*

Same here, it was love at first sight, and his tortured expression reading the letter in pilot part II sealed the deal for me. He said he was a complex guy, and he was telling the truth.

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I think they are afraid to make him completely hateable precisely because he's such a viewers' drawer. They cannot take that kind of risk.

A TV series is not set in stone. They already changed some things about his character to better fit Josh, so I say explore his character, give him good material to match and take benefits from his popularity. It has happened before, with Spike, Peacy, Addison. With Sawyer, when you watch him in some episodes doing nothing more than reading on the beach, it's like they don't want to renounce to him, but they still don't know how to give him decent storylines. It's like part of his potential will always be left unexplored, and it's so stupid.

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*Tom hasn't really been written consistently if you ask me. He's gone from this dangerous guy who shot Sawyer, kidnapped Walt, held a gun to Kate's head, held both of them in cages to a sympathetic guy small-talking with Jack and playing football with him. They probably didn't have a real plan for the character and improvised his ''development''.*

I totally agree. When I watched the S3 premiere, and saw Tom joking with Kate in the locker room, and then with Sawyer about the polar bears, and looking almost sorry for Kate's bruised wrists... I was like "W.T.F."? But seeing as I have no idea after 22 episodes where they are going with the Others, with the exception of Juliet, I guess your explanation (the writers improvised) it's the most logic.

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I think they want him to be considered more ''evil'' (for the lack of a better word) than he is. It's too late now I guess.

I think they totally failed deciding to give him so much self-hate, so much love for Kate. Just these two things alone make it impossible to not have a soft spot for him. Add to that all the times they made him "lose" or hurt physically, mix it with the funny lines and Josh's dimples, and it's impossible to hate him.

**Crystaline** · 05-26-2007, 11:10 PM

Thanks for the new thread!

They've given Sawyer too much humanity for anyone to dislike him. You're supposed to root for him now.

groovyk1 · 05-27-2007, 12:12 PM

Thanks for the new thread

Sawyer has definately come along way since the beginning

Veronakat · 05-27-2007, 01:53 PM

New thread! Thanks for openning Fran

**Hawthorn** · 05-27-2007, 02:16 PM

You know what I hate the most about the new format of the show (16 episodes every year instead of 22/23)? The fact that any chance to get two Sawyer-centric episodes in a season is gone for good.

Promo pic for TTLG... that doesn't look like a promo pic at all

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**Crystaline** · 05-27-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawthorn (View Post)

You know what I hate the most about the new format of the show (16 episodes every year instead of 22/23)? The fact that any chance to get two Sawyer-centric episodes in a season is gone for good.

I know! I'm still peeved about this stupid format. It doesn't make any damn sense to me.

That photo is definitely NOT a promo pic. Sawyer was a broody mess in the finale. It's most likely a BTS photo. Look at Josh all smiley and cute.

misteriosa · 05-28-2007, 06:20 AM

I found an interesting article on this blog. The blog is just for fun. News are invented.
Tominthebox News Network: Pastors Concerned About Members "Losing Touch with Reality"¸

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"I get at least one call a week asking me to pray for either Jack or Kate or one of those people on Lost" said pastor Dean Harvey of Church of the Creator in Denver. "The most popular request I get is for Sawyer's salvation, but I also get requests to pray that Locke would come back to his senses and rejoin the survivors."

There were similar experiences in my country when the soap ''Santa Barbara'' aired.
The grannies even paid for mass services in hope that Eden, who had been in wheelchair after an accident, would walk again and return to Cruiz Castillo, her one and only true love.

All this happened in the middle of war, which was real. It's unbelievable.

addicted2much · 05-28-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawthorn (View Post)

You know what I hate the most about the new format of the show (16 episodes every year instead of 22/23)? The fact that any chance to get two Sawyer-centric episodes in a season is gone for good.

That sucks.

**Hawthorn** · 05-28-2007, 06:26 PM

Perhaps in S6, whit half the Losties dead, we could get a second Sawyer episode again.

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Originally Posted by misteriosa (View Post)

There were similar experiences in my country when the soap ''Santa Barbara'' aired.
The grannies even paid for mass services in hope that Eden, who had been in wheelchair after an accident, would walk again and return to Cruiz Castillo, her one and only true love.

All this happened in the middle of war, which was real. It's unbelievable.

Wait. You're making this up, right, like that blog? It's an urban legend.
Because it can't be true.
... O_O

misteriosa · 05-28-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawthorn (View Post)

Wait. You're making this up, right, like that blog? It's an urban legend.
Because it can't be true.
... O_O

No, I'm not. It happened.

Maybe it's not such a bad thing to have 16 episodes because we won't be hoping for a second flashback like we did this season. There won't be any disappointments.

**Hawthorn** · 05-28-2007, 06:59 PM

You just left me without words after posting that anectode.

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There won't be any disappointments.

There may be a S4 with no Sawyer-centric episode.

...J/k! It's not going to happen, with the S3 finale presenting his dark state of mind and remainding us of the Cooper thing. Plus he's too popular.