siobeehan

G o l d & B l u e




Welcome to the
James&Juliet
Appreciation Thread





made by Majora's Mask

You'll be fine.
Maybe... but who's gonna get my back? Come on. Just give
me two weeks, that's all I'm asking. Two weeks.
All right. Two weeks.

You were amazing today.
Thank you for believing in me.

I love you.
I love you too

I'm doing it for her.

Look, I'm sorry. I should've listened to you when you wanted to get on this sub three years ago.
I'm glad you talked me out of it.

Whatever happens, I got your back, remember?
I love you.
I love you back.

Don't you leave me!
I love you.
No, you don't let go!
I love you, James.
Don't let go.
I love you so much.

They fit so well together.

L J communities and a f a n l i s t:

Lost Blondes
you were amazing today
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R e v i e w s:

"Sawyer and Juliet 2gether 4ever.
When Sawyer joins Juliet, she is quietly (almost catatonically) considering going to Tahiti, 1974 or not.
But Sawyer complains she's abandoning him to nutsos and silent Jin, and with sheer charm, he Sawyers her into staying.
With their eyebrows, they have virtual sex. "Okay, two weeks," she says. Ha: THREE YEARS LATER. Sawyer's still smiling!
He's picking flowers! He's drinking Dharma Merlot! It's all so damned groovy.
"Thank you for believing in me," Juliet says. And kissing! And "I love you!"
It's like a magical panorama set in the Sunshine Family Van."
(Vulture - New York Magazine)

"Sawyer was, for perhaps the first time since we met him, happy. He's a respected member of the community, he has a job that he excels at,
he gets to read books and drink wine, he's back in the cozy confines of New Otherton and, most of all, he's in love with a woman
who reciprocates his feelings.[..] I want Sawyer to stay with Juliet. I really want the dude to be happy."
(Buddy TV)

"We learn quite a bit about two of our characters. Juliet and Sawyer walk away from this changed. Connected now in the larger scope of the show.
Whatever happens, this episode permanently pairs them in some sense. And it didn't feel forced, either. I like what it was built upon,
the choices that lead to them connecting."
(HitFix)

"Now it seems Juliet -- the one who was willing to stay on the island with him, which is worth noting -- may be his true love."
(Celebritology)

"DJ: Awesome year for Sawyer and it was great to see that transition. What was it like to play that, to see, kind of like, Sawyer step up and be like this great boyfriend and great leader?
JH: Well, at first, it was a little scary, cause I was like, I had gotten comfortable in being a bit of an 'ass', if you will, and just playing that side of the character, I really enjoyed and I was a little nervous of 'oh no, am I going lose the edge of the character by actually having a relationship and trying to be a leader' and all that sort of thing. So, at first, yeah I was a little nervous about it. But I was also excited to do something different because you're on a show, you get into a rhythm of your character and after awhile you want to explore something different. So, they, the writers, enabled me to do that and it turned out fine, I think. And it was alot of fun working with Elizabeth Mitchell and developing that relationship. What we had three scenes to develop it, I think, so we were a little bit like'OMG, how we gonna sell this in three scenes? Like we've been together and we love each other.' At first that was a little daunting and then once we got into it, it seemed really natural and thank goodness I was working with such a professional, she's so good. That was just a lot of fun to explore, as an actor.
DJ: And the season finale, of course, goes and breaks our hearts.
JH: Oh ya.
DJ: What was it like preparing for that moment? Was that tough?
JH: It's funny, those scenes. Yes and no. As life goes on and my life gets more enriched by getting married, having children - I just have a newborn, now - the stakes have risen in my life. So, now it's easier to play a scene, where possibly losing that comes into play. So, that's how I prepared. I have a newborn on the way and I was just thinking, well I had to think, well, what if that was taken away? And, there you go. Roll camera."
(Josh Holloway interviewed by EW)

"Much like her season five ’ship partner Josh Holloway, much of the credit for LOST’s success this year has to go to Elizabeth Mitchell. Always the “Other Woman,” her Juliet was able to shine a bit more this season, making the Juliet-Sawyer relationship the best the show has ever created."
(Idsnews.com)

siobeehan

It worked! Our OP is really gorgeous btw, I love it

Also - Happy Birthday Fran! I believe I first met you on this thread, and I'm so thankful that I did. You're a great person to chat to about anything, and especially S/J - I know I can always have a good, reasonable discussion about things with you, which is sometimes hard to find in this fandom Anyway, I hope you have a great day!

You guys also made some great points in the last thread, hopefully I can get to reply to some of them tomorrow!

Hawthorn

Thanks for starting the new thread, Sio!

And thank you for the lovely birthday wishes. I might have to wait next week-end to celebrate, but hopefully I will at least get some nice food/sweets from my mom. And hopefully I won't be disappointed by the Lost episode tomorrow night, that would be a nice gift, too.

The pleasure to discuss all things Lost with you it's mutual , and it's nice to have this little, angst-free corner.


And to go back in topic, Lost-Media.com uploaded all the promotional pictures for the premiere in big size, it may be nice to have them posted here, even with how sad they are:

siobeehan

Food and sweets sounds good! How are you planning to celebrate at the weekend? I hope the Lost episode might cheer you up - I'd love if it made you a little more optimistic as a present for your birthday!

Thanks for posting the bigger pics - they break my heart but I love them Especially all the ones of Sawyer holding Juliet in his arms, and the kiss one... I can't believe how much I miss them already.

Sulieter

Thanks for the new thread

Fran, thanks for asking if I wanted to open the thread. I wouldn't have known how to do it anyway

~ayumi~

TFTNT!

i can't wait for tonight's episode!

Hawthorn

My two best friends should be in town and we are supposed to renew our tradition to spend Saturday together, but I don't think we'll do anything special. I'm not much of a party/crowd girl anyway, going to a bar and chat in front of a beer may be good enough.
And fingers crossed for tonight!
The kiss one (the last photo) is the ones that kills, me, t's just heartbreaking.
It will be so hard to watch so many episodes without Juliet, and not know what they may have in store for her in the end.
It's really simple! You should try sometimes, all you have to do is go to the first post of the old thread with all the pictures and text, select "reply with quote", and from there you highlight with your mouse the whole post without the Quote tags, and copy and past it in a new empty thread (after selecting "Post new thread"), you add the title in the box, make a preview to be sure it's all okay, and then hit Submit.
If you have any question or want to try to do it when I'm around so I can help/fix things if anything goes wrong, just tell me.
I'm really curious to see what they'll do in it- I must admit I'm pretty anxious, let's hope we'll be happy with it tomorrow and can discuss something good here.

siobeehan

That sounds like a good night out to me Yup, fingers crossed! I'm anxious, and yet a bit more cheerful than usual, thanks in part to Liz's appearance on Totally Lost If she doesn't appear in it every week before an episode, it might make it harder to watch them

It really is I'm glad, in a way, that we ended up getting so many S/J promo pics, but they do break your heart.

I know, this waiting is going to be awful. This episode will also be the first one without Juliet in forever (ok, she wasn't in the second half of the premiere, but watching it all just felt like one big episode), and I know I'm already dreading that a little. I'm sure her presence will be felt, but I hate the thought of that getting less and less as the episodes go on. Not to be a downer or anything, sorry guys!

I really, really hope there will be something good to talk about too Depending on what happens, I'll probably be straight on here tomorrow morning after watching the episode to talk about it! I'm slightly less anxious than I have been, but the thought of watching the episode in a few hours is cranking that up again, heh. I need to get offline soon so I don't read any reactions!

I just decided to watch some S/J clips on youtube, which was the first time I have done since the premiere aired. Needless to say, I cried They were so, so happy in LaFleur, and I love being reminded of that, but it will take my heart a little more time to go back to watching those without feeling really sad. They were so content

Hawthorn

You would still be better than me: so far I've remembered to watch them only because I knew Liz was in them.
BTW, random shallow thought - as much as I find her hot no matter what, I still miss her long locks, a bit.
Next week-end I'll have to order something with rum and do my own personal toast in memory of our Jules. ♥
Maybe one day I'll be able to look at them with different eyes... it depends on if Juliet is still alive in the end, somewhere and in some form, or not. I'm still choosing to distrust the alternate universe as a self-protection choice.
But I must say I reacted way worse to the promo pics for The Incident - the one where Juliet is tried to hold onto the border of the pit before the chains finish to drah her down gets to me even now, because I flash back to last May with my emotions and dread for the inevitable.
What? Compared to me, you're spearing golden stars and rainbows with your post here. And I'm thankful to chat with someone a bit more hopeful than I am.
I'm still very very anxious. I didn't even think about watching the episode live for that reason, although I'm still online and it is about to start.
Hope your good feelings will be proved right.
I haven't rewatched LaFleur in a long while. I feel like it will make me even more nostalgic if I do, and the arc of the show without Juliet has only started.
I should find some upbeat fanvideo to cheer me up without it making me think too much.

siobeehan

Ok...so, what did you guys think? I went in knowing about the ring (), but was worried about what might be said or happen on the dock. Thankfully, I was pleasantly surprised.

I'm saying this pretty much constantly at the moment, but seeing Sawyer in their old house, then on the dock where he first asked her to stay, tore my heart out. I'm so glad it was revealed that he had hidden the ring in the house instead of carrying it around with him, and I do love the thought of him hiding it from Juliet so well because she'd surely be way too good at discovering things like that if it was just in a drawer or something - although the box did look extremely good after being in there for 30 years His face was so sad and broken when he picked up the box, and then took out the ring...

The dock scene had me teary on my first watch (I was still so nervous about what was going to be said), but I've watched it a few more times now and it just leaves me a mess. The thought of him returning to the very same spot, even sitting in the same position, as he did when he first asked her to stay, kills me, and even more so when we discover how responsible he now feels because he did that. Even though we know, and Juliet told him, that she was happy that he had convinced her to stay, that is obviously not something he can reconcile within himself right now. "But I think some of us are meant to be alone" really kills me though Sawyer is just so broken, and I don't see that changing any time soon. The fact that all he wanted to do was go home to his and Juliet's old house, first to go find the ring and then after visiting the dock, say a lot to us about his state of mind, and that the only place he really want to be right now is "home". It doesn't make it any easier to watch though

Other than that, I miss Juliet even more than I thought I would. I loved that we were reminded so much of her in this episode, but I know that must only get less, and I don't know how much I'll enjoy the coming eps. Especially if they keep only focusing on a few characters at a time. At least if there's still a lot of Sawyer (and maybe Desmond soon?), it'll be a little better.

That's the only reason I've went to watch them as well I do quite like Jeff Jensen though, he's funny and they obviously love Juliet as much as we do

I do kinda miss her long hair as well! Although of course she suits it both ways

Yeah, I can understand that. I watched it in full on my rewatch recently, but I've only watched a few clips since last week. Maybe in a few weeks time I'll watch it again for all the awesome Juliet moments, but at the moment it'll just remind me more of what we're having to miss this year.

You should! A Juliet centric one? I'm sure there must be some out there you could find, or there's always bloopers

Hawthorn

I suck, because I haven't watched the episode yet! Still donloading it, I had some issues with the file so this is my second try.
I read a bit of details around though, and it looks like Josh pulled off a wonderful performance, which is great.

I'll go straight to the thing that left me puzzled (about the Juliet related scenes, I'm still in the dark about the rest of the eppy) - how did you guys took Sawyer saying he asked Juliet to stay because he didn't want to be alone?
Premise: the statemebnt is right. I don't think Sawyer had anything even remotely romantic in mind there on the dock back in 1974, other than feeling he could trust and rely on Juliet. And I know he was thnking about proposing to her after they got involved, and there was a ring in his hans, which is a big deal. But don't you think the writers played the "safe" card having James say that about Juliet, and not something "stronger" like admitting his feelings, again, or anything along those lines? Or that would've been too much?
I'm putting my "dark" thought out there now, in hope that after I've watched all of the episode I will only comment on the good parts of it.
(also because I fear you guys may kill me otherwise, one of these days - I beg for mercy )

Great suggestions about the bloopers! The S3 ones always bring my Liz love and my mood to an high.

siobeehan

Aw, come on, Fran! I kid, obviously I hope you see it soon so you can see it all for yourself, and we can chat about it properly.

Josh was amazing He just continues to bring it, every single episode, and I love watching him.

Ok, I've actually gone back and forth on this a lot (since this morning ), but I'm feeling a lot more peaceful about it than I was for a time earlier (ie. right after reading some opinions on the episode, not my initial reaction). You're right though, Sawyer did ask Juliet to stay back in 1974 because he didn't want to be alone, and I'm pretty sure Juliet stayed for the same reason, along with loyalty and trust for him, I'm sure. So I would never say that what he said in this episode to Kate was incorrect - that was the reason he asked her to stay.

Since then, he and Juliet had fallen in love and were living together happily, and now we find out he had even bought a ring for her and planned to propose at some point (). If that doesn't convey how much he loved her, what does? So, to my point

I was in the same mindset as you, Fran, right after watching the episode but, after thinking about it more and watching the scene a few more times, it does make sense for Sawyer to say that in particular. He's telling Kate why he believes he is to blame for Juliet's death, and that, if he hadn't asked her to stay for his "selfish" reasoning of being alone, she would be happy and alive somewhere right now. He's completely devastated over losing her, and has gone from blaming Jack in anger to blaming himself in grief. So that's why he brought that up when explaining himself to Kate, and I think the fact that he had gone back to the dock where he had first asked her to stay was another important aspect of that. He thinks he never should have asked, and then none of it would have happened - because he was selfish and he was happy, he deserved to have it taken away from him because of his past deeds. And Juliet was the one who suffered because of that.

I hope that made sense! I have to say though, I do also think that Sawyer could have said something stronger in that moment, like you said Fran, like actually saying how much he loved her. I kinda wish we had got that somehow in the premiere scene too, but I think he was still trying to tell himself she might live... But, looking back at it, I think him saying that he was going to ask her to marry him and actually having the ring is a strong enough statement in itself. He wanted to commit his life to her

I hope maybe a little part of my optimism might rub off on you, Fran!

Hawthorn

I'll watch it first thing in the morning, I wanted to do it now but I must go to bed early tonight and it's already past midnight (it's not like I would go to bed after the episode, I would stay around and check posts and reviews and waste 2 extra hours )
That's nice to hear because I was fearing he wouldn't have too much material to work with this year, after they put him front and center in S5.
I perfectly get your reasoning. Like I said, it made sense that Sawyer thought back about the thing/moment that sort of "condemned" Juliet to her death (in his mind), and it was his request of companionship on the dock. But I see that you understood perfectly what I meant to say with my critismim/dark thought - that considering the kind of scene it was (the show bringing up a marriage proposal) they could've added more "romantic" undertones to it.
I get that the ring was a big thing. Maybe the reason why I'm left skeptical has to do with things unrelated to Sawyer/Juliet, but concerning Kate and Jate. Because they wrote a scene involving a ring for Jack and Kate, too, and that was what sort of marked the "end" of them (even though I'm the first that has always, always brought up the importance of Kate accepting that ring in the past, but now Jate is sort of... going nowhere). Also, this was a Kate episode and I don't know how to take Kate's reasons to go look for Sawyer (did she really thought he would help her with Claire, in the state he was?) and to cry after he left (what she was crying for? Sawyer's desperation, the fact that she still felt responsible... the fact that the ring made her realize she might've lost him and his love?).
With the triangle still around, I thought that if they wanted to state once and for all James' love for Juliet in front of Kate they should've added some stronger line, along with introducing the ring.
Not sure what I'm saying make sense, once again.

I do want your optimism to rub off on me because it would be nice to feel happy for a change.
And I apologize, because I realize I'm discussing a whole episode only based on the little I've read about it around in recaps and short reviews.

siobeehan

I get that I considered doing the same last night, but I knew I'd then probably never sleep for staying up just to read reviews/post thoughts etc - it's so addictive

We're only three episodes in and he is honestly knocking it out of the park in every scene. We even got snarky Sawyer for a line or two this episode, which was nice to see back for a brief moment I think Josh has some of the best material to work with this year though, esppecially if his character continues down this path for a while. Bar what Terry O'Quinn is getting to do, his is the most exciting stuff to watch for me.

I do understand, and I can see your fear over it not being more romantic in terms of what Sawyer said. I think a lot of the romantic undertones really come through with the way Sawyer is acting though, and I really hope you'll agree when you see the episode. I admit I couldn't focus properly the first time I watched them for nerves, but after that it really is just so clear to me how devastated he really is, and how nothing else matters to him now. Unless that was just me... There have been an amazing amount of reviews saying the same though, so you should go find them after as well

You always remember so many things! That's an interesting point, but I don't feel like what happened with Jack/Kate and the ring really holds any significance in relation to Sawyer/Juliet - for one thing, Sawyer didn't even get to give it to her. Plus, I've always seen it as Jack and Kate really suffering in their lives off-island, whilst Sawyer, Juliet and the others left behind (mainly) were able to have happy lives on-island. Jack's insecurities and regrets about leaving were to blame for the "end" of Jack/Kate, and we can see that Sawyer had none of those in regards to his relationship with Juliet. Plus, technically we are being introduced to Sawyer/Juliet and the ring after they are "done" - in a technical sense since she's died, because in no way do I think Sawyer is over her or will stop loving her, or that they won't meet again - which could then signify that it's not over between them (or, I'm fangirling my way through this argument, but bear with me ). I think the fact that we got to see Sawyer immediately go find the ring after he left the Temple, admit that he wanted to marry Juliet, then go back to the home that they shared together all speak volumes about how Sawyer is feeling, and they are nowhere near weak feelings at that. How they could go back to the triangle at this stage I don't know, because I can't comprehend a way fro them to get back to it when Sawyer is so clearly destroyed by Juliet's death. Seasons don't last long (in island world) after all. I'm not saying they won't or can't go back to the triangle, I'm just saying that, at this point, I cannot see a way for them to feasibly find their way back there and have it make any sort of sense.

Hmm, rambly thoughts are rambly

I kinda agree, but, if they are keeping the triangle around in some form, I think another strong statement from Sawyer in that moment would have killed that side of it for good. I...don't want to see that side of it come up again on island for sure, but, for me, it seems awfully early in the season to finish the triangle in some way. I probably sound like I'm contradicting myself right now in regards to what I've said already, but what I think is that they might still keep the triangle going (how, I don't know), but I do have quite a little bit of hope now that we'll see Sawyer/Juliet again in the end.

You are making sense, don't worry! I just hope I am in my quest to find you a little optimism

I would love if you got to feel happy for a change - I'm sure it would be a nice relief for you! I look forward to hearing what you have to say once you've watched the episode, and then I can make more too-huge posts to convince you of the good in it

Hawthorn

Lost is not a show you can watch and episode of and then keep it "parked" on your brain until you have time to go back to it, it haunts you after you've seen it.
Terry is magnificent. But the way Josh gets me in emotional scenes is incredible... I know I'm biased, but I'll never forget how I bawled in The Bring (in The Incident, too, but I wanted to use a ship-free example).
I think he was excellent in the dock scene (I've finally watched 6x03), he was the highlight of the whole episode for me. (but to be fair, I have to state that I've never been much interested in the Kate/Aaron/Claire plotline, the alternate universe part fell somehow flat on me and that influenced my viewing).
I really hope the performance is indicative of what the script asked to portray, then. Because Sawyer was really devastated, no doubt about it.
See, I think the fact that I think of all possible connections or "signs" or references to past scenes of the show makes me lose the capability to simply "live" the scene/episode for what it is. I believe it's a collateral effect of how the show has "trained" us to watch it, it's just that I may go overboard sometimes, lol.
You make a good point saying that the triangle is still around and will be until the end, unfortunately, so it's a matter of balancing all sides and keeping an opening in every direction.
I just thought that after the infamous "look" of the S5 finale, the writers could've put some more romance in that dock scene which was also a sort of "recap" of what happened to Juliet (and James, since they chose to stay).
I feel the scene was mostly focussed on the single characters - Juliet's story on the island and her desire to leave (btw was the music used her theme?), Kate's guilt over boarding the sub, Sawyer's guilt over making her stay with him.
I guess that's why I wanted a line that was for the "couple", you know? But I may be the most ingrateful person ever for "underrating" the weight of Sawyer saying "I wanted to ask her to marry me".
I may be nitpicking too much. I also didn't understand Sawyer adding that "you understand that right?" after the "not wanting to be alone" - how is Kate supposed to get the meaning of it or relate?

My doubts also comes from the Kate-related scenes in the episode (because we know how the roots of the triangle/quadrangle have always been put in her "choice" storyline), but that's not a topic to be discussed here.
It did help me to look at things from a different perspective, and really I'm thankful that my dark and sad mind hasn't scared you away from the thread because I imagine how annoying it is to discuss something already sad (the aftermath and consequences of Juliet's death) with me.

I know this is an appreciation thread, but I like to think it's mostly a discussion place where along with the pretty and the good we bring up doubts and the likes, but I do realize that sometimes I focus on the latter too much.
I promise - tomorrow I'll only post pretty pics and good reviews (if I find them) and relive the happy mood of the thread.
Please do! Your posts really manage to soothe me and stop my mind from going insane.