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Old 05-17-2009, 11:53 AM
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*SPOILERS* #58: Michael was right. We've been left here eating our souls.



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The N.O.S.E.

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This thread is to collect and discuss all the news, spoilers and speculations about Sawyer in the fifth season of Lost, airing in 2009 and starting to be shot in August 2008.

This post is to collect only the Sawyer-related spoilers/news.



Shooting Dates -||- Airing dates

6x01 - ? : ? - ? || ?


Contacts

Watch with Kristin ~ E! online - tvdiva@eonline.com
Michael Ausiello ~ Entertainment Weekly - ausielloscoop@ew.com
Matt Mitovich & Mickey O'Connor ~ TV Guide - mega_scoop@tvguide.com
Korbi TV ~ zap2it.com - kghosh@zap2it.com
Lost magazine - voices@titanemail.com or transceiver@titanemail.com

Damon Lindelof/Carlton Cuse mail address:
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Spoilers
May 13, 2009
The Washington Post: Season Finale? 'Lost' Minds Refuse to Spoil a Good Time


May 12, 2009
Entertainment Weekly - 'Lost': Going Out With a Bang? (Jeff Jensen interviews D&C)


May 11, 2009
Watch with Kristin spoiler chat: season finale; Sawyer/Kate
Sara in Rome: The last episode of Lost killed my Skate shipper heart. This should be the moment when you comfort us by telling us everything will be OK. Right? Right?
You guys have got to stop living episode-to-episode (you're going to give yourselves coronaries!) and start thinking long-term. Why? Because long-term, everything will be OK! Promise.


New York Post interview with Lindelof & Cuse
"Not everybody is interested in Faraday's mission," says Lindelof. "It's a very divisive issue and one that the audience is feeling too. It would be a big cheat, erasing the last five years of the show, and making it so that we never came to this island in the first place."
The show has been a wild and often confusing ride, but Lindelof and Executive Producer Carlton Cuse say they know exactly where it's all headed.
"That was a conversation that started back between seasons one and two of the show," says Lindelof. "We are following the plan pretty much to the letter, although there is room for improvisation." Lindelof says next season - which will be the Emmy- and Peabody Award-winning series' last - will bring things full circle.
"Season six will feel a lot like season one," says Lindelof. "The focus comes back to the characters with whom we began. We've been winnowing away everyone else who came along. The Tailies are gone, only Miles [Ken Leung] is left of the Freighter Folk and only Juliet [Elizabeth Mitchell] is left of The Others. We're getting down to the end now."
"The metaphor we like to use is that this is a road trip. We know we intend to end up in New York City, but maybe we'll pick up a hitchhiker or stop at a bar and get drunk along the way," says Cuse.
"And then linger there for six episodes," jokes Lindelof.



May 9, 2009
THR.com interview with Lindelof & Cuse
The ultimate goal of humanity is to mature in some way, and the characters on Lost are no different. Their hope is that by the final episode of the series we'll be able to look at them in contrast to the pilot and say "Wow, I've spent six years of my life on these people, and they've really changed" - or attempted to (there are three categories: "Change", "Tried to change", and "Die").

Official Audio Podcast with Lindelof & Cuse | recap
- The S5 finale will satisfy fans because has a good mythological advancement, but will make people frustrated about waiting 8 months to see what happens next, because the ending has a S1 feeling according to Carlton: like when they opened/blew up the hatch and didn't show the content, and we went "You're kidding me". Damon says that they've promised that S6 would reflect somehow S1, and they're starting that this season, which has Jack at the Swan, just where S1 ended.
- Fan question: where does the compass come from? Carlton says that it's a fashinating puzzle that has no solution. Damon: if you ask them where it comes from, they would turn the answer - what came first, the chicken or the egg? Carlton: the idea that there is an infinitive loop is a very intentional motif that is excuted here. One of the challenges of the show is that they believe in a larger world of mystery and magic and they have no intention to demisty that world of Lost overexplaining things. The fact that the compass exists between those two characters is just a cool piece of mystery and magic.
- Damon feels that this finale (and the S6 premiere) will give us a good dea of where ths is all heading and will end.
- Damon makes a list of names to put under "Good Guys", "Bad Guys", "Haven't decided yet". Carlton puts Kate, Hurley and Frank under "Good Guys", Rchard under "Haven't decided yet", and Sayid under "Bad Guys".



May 7, 2009
Watch with Kristin Redux: Damon Lindelof about the future of Lost

Ask Ausiello: Finale Ending
Question: Got any scoop on the Lost finale? --Carolyn
Ausiello:
Funny, we posed that exact question to Damon Lindelof at the Hollywood premiere of Star Trek earlier this week. "All I will say is that it is time for the time travel craziness to end," he said. "And once it does end, something very, very surprising will happen in its wake. It is a little bit of a game-changer."



April 29, 2009
TV Guide scans: The Lost finale
"In the great tradition of the show, we have tried to end the season in a dramatic fashion," says Lost exec producer Carlton Cuse, "but we want to leave a lot of things up in the air - particularly going into the last season. [...]
It is expected to leave the fates of multiple characters in jeopardy until the series returns for its final season in early 2010.



April 9, 2009
Watch with Kristin: Sawyer and Kate
MP: Is that stuff about Skate in season six reliable?
Ummm...not to spoil everybody for everything ever, but based on reading Harry Potter up through Half-Blood Prince, I can reliably tell you that Ron and Hermoine get together in Deadly Hallows. Either that or everybody dies, but Hermoine-Draco? Not ever gonna be canon.



April 6, 2009
Watch with Kristin: Sawyer and Kate; major death;: finale secret scene codename
Gisselle in Tampa, Fla.: When are Sawyer and Kate getting back together on Lost?
No time in season five, but check back for season six. You should like what you see... (P.S. Exec prod Eddy Kitsis says, perhaps jokingly, perhaps not, "Season six is free to be you and me. Do what you feel.")



February 9, 2009
Entertainment Weekly: Digging Inside Season 5
'Lindelof teases that the sci-fi-heavy season 5 (which includes more Smokey, four-toed statue, and numbers intrigue) ''sets up where we need to go in season 6, which will be much more grounded and character-centric than it is this year.''


September 28, 2008
TVWeek - Masters of Sci-Fi: Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof
'It’s too soon for either man to be discussing his next project, but both were willing to offer a few words that describe the next season of “Lost.”
“Non-paradoxical,” said Mr. Lindelof.
“Time travel,” added Mr. Cuse. “But it’s much tougher to do time travel when your rule of time travel is, nothing you go back to do in the past can change what happens in the future.”'



February 20, 2008
From EW: Jeff Jensen interview with Lindelof and Cuse
- Adam and Eve, the skeletons, will be adressed but not this season;
- The larger mythos, like "The Purge", will come back in season 5;
- NO to alternative realities, because they want the audience to invest in the story and the characters and what happens to them - that doesn't exclude time travel and bending of the space/time continuum though


Rumors
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Previous Threads

Josh as Sawyer in Lost S4: Past, present, future. We'll follow him everywhere.
#3: Nine months of hiatus?! Come to join the therapy group.
#4: 2° FF -> LA hotel, Maria/Fran/Misty+Sawyer. Guess the rest
#5: Our "Lost outcast" investigation? Not obsession, but scientific dedication.
#6: Apparently, it really is about bunnies.
#7: Fear our detective skills, foiler guys.
#8: An apparition? No, he really is filming.
#9: Lost on Monday: nothing better than Sawyer to start a new week.
#10: Trust no one, but the Hawaiian reporters.
#11: First set photos, Sawyer is back in action.
#12: The WTF spoilers are back: Sawyer meeting Fred Flintstones?
#13: Sawyer, Sawyer, Sawyer. (this title tries to compensate the lack of news)
#14: Max didn't make it to the theaters, but Sawyer did.
#15: We're just Sawyer fans, like Carlton.
#16: So, about those kids in tattered clothes...
#17: These boots were made for speculating.
#18: "That guy is gonna be around until the end"
#19: "And here I thought I'd finally be gettin' a good night's sleep"
#20 - Taller ghost Walt ordered: "Put that kitchen counter to good use"
#21: You are our constant, James.
#22: We would like to time travel to when Sawyer gets a storyline.
#23: Unlike the writers, we honor continuity & don't drop storylines.
#24: "Without a juicy Sawyer-centric piece we'll be dying." - DocArzt
#25: Burn, Monopoly, burn.
#26: James Ford and the Secret of the Lost Plotline
#27: A knight without armor in a savage land.
#28: The Finale Follies - Step Right Inside
#29: Bye S4. We won't miss you except for the Big Damn Hero!
#30: Jumping the shark? More like Turning the wheel.
#31: Eight months of sweet nothings whispered in our ears.
#32: Spoilers? We don't need no stinkin' spoilers.
#33: We can only hope.
#34: S5 Sawyer - Free Agent, New Sheriff & King of the Island.
#35: What 'Time' Is It? It's Spoiler Time!
#36: Left-Behinders - The Curse of the Black Rock
#37: Ryan, Dustin & Carole > Michael, Matt & Kristin
#38: Give us a good spoiler and we'll give you a good title.
#39: Just do it, Freckles. Spoil me.
#40: Do these spoilers make me look fat?
#41: "Thank you, spoiler expert!"
#42: Looking around clueless and worried - yeah, we know the feeling, James.
#43: Destiny calls? Well, tell 'em to call back later.
#44: Sawyer and Juliet holding hands under the shining stars... no wait, burning arrows.
#45: "Open the damn door! I don't trust what they're doing in the writers' room."
#46: There's a new sheriff in town.
#47: I Want To Believe
#48: "We really feel it's the year of Sawyer." ~ Damon Lindelof
#49: Undercover. In charge. Surrounded by beautiful women. His name is Ford, James Ford.
#50: Soon you're going to get to see Sawyer have a really good time, which has been fun to shoot. ~ Elizabeth
#51: *this title is too excited about the promo for 5x08 to make sense - will be right back in the morning*
#52: "It's all coming to a head" ~ Josh
#53: Love 'em and kill 'em.
#54: "It's survivor versus survivor. And every man for himself."
#55: Jacob, you son of a b****.
#56: Time jump today. Jump the shark tomorrow.
#57: Go ahead Darlton, stick the fork in the outlet.




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Thanks for the new thread. This one should last for a bit longer not that the season has ended.

Do you remeber when they start filming?
Also, ComicCon takes place in July, rigth?
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Thanks for the new thread. This one should last for a bit longer not that the season has ended.
Don't understimate the power of our OT chatting.
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Do you remeber when they start filming?
Also, ComicCon takes place in July, rigth?
If I remember correctly, last year they went back to set either during the third week of August, or the fourth. August 26-28, I think.
And I just checked: Comic Con takes place on July 23-26.
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If I remember correctly, last year they went back to set either during the third week of August, or the fourth. August 26-28, I think.
So, they should probably start writing at the beginning of August.

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And I just checked: Comic Con takes place on July 23-26.
Thanks. Although, I doubt they'll say anything relevant. Even that video from last year turned out to be useless in the end.
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So, they should probably start writing at the beginning of August.
We have two month an a half to fly to Hawaii and beat some sense in them until it matters.
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Thanks. Although, I doubt they'll say anything relevant. Even that video from last year turned out to be useless in the end.
The biggest "spoiler" of Comic Con was the whole Dharma recruiting thing. Huge clue about Sawyer, Juliet & co. joining the Initiative, which of course I failed to recognize as such.

I was checking this article you linked to in the previous thread, some bits from D&C, and there is this about Sayid:
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Saying that Sayid shot Ben mostly because of what he did to himself instead of stopping him from becoming his old, bad self, is a way to downplay/undermine Sayid's goodness, or I'm reading things that aren't there?

And they did confim Vincent is safe and sound until the very end. So, if he's still with Rose and Bernard when the Losties flash, he should flash and reunite with Jack & co. Which means Rose and Bernard should do the same.
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Thanks! It's a relief to know that some news should arrive from the Upfronts, either way. And unfortunately, they could indeed put it after Lost trying to get some positive result from Elizabeth's presence.
Yup. That's sadly exactly what I expect and especially now that ABC has killed the Unusuals. They will probably put it behind Lost because they will hope Lost viewers will tune in for Elizabeth only.

And what was next season's tagline according to Eddie Kitsis? Was it "Free to be you and me. Do what you feel"? Could that possibly mean the loop and whatever happened happened is broken because of the bomb detonation and free will win out over fate? Or am I reading too much into it?
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Saying that Sayid shot Ben mostly because of what he did to himself instead of stopping him from becoming his old, bad self, is a way to downplay/undermine Sayid's goodness, or I'm reading things that aren't there?
No, you're not. And combined with them putting Sayid on the bad list in the podcast, I think it has to mean something. That's why the idea that the Losties will end up choosing different sides and fighting against each others in season 6 doesn't seem so crazy to me.

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And they did confim Vincent is safe and sound until the very end. So, if he's still with Rose and Bernard when the Losties flash, he should flash and reunite with Jack & co. Which means Rose and Bernard should do the same.
That's how I got it the first time around - like they are safe, safe.

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And what was next season's tagline according to Eddie Kitsis? Was it "Free to be you and me. Do what you feel"? Could that possibly mean the loop and whatever happened happened is broken because of the bomb detonation and free will win out over fate? Or am I reading too much into it?
I read it as them all finally being free on the island and choosing the kind of life or destiny they wish for themselves. Again, I think it may come down to good vs. bad battle.

BTW Can I just say that rabid shippers are all the same, whether they support Jate, Skate or Suliet. I don't know why I thought Sawyer/Juliet shippers would be more moderate.
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BTW Can I just say that rabid shippers are all the same, whether they support Jate, Skate or Suliet. I don't know why I thought Sawyer/Juliet shippers would be more moderate.
What has given you that impression?
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What has given you that impression?
Sawyer/Juliet are supposed to be a mature, serious relationship so I figured their fans would have some of those qualities. But I'm seeing now a lot of posts that remind me of the days when I used to read Skate/Jate debates, only it's happening with Suliet/Skate. Why do shippers have to spin everything into something positive, or somehow rationalize what could objecively be considered a negative scene for their ship. For example, Sawyer looking at Kate during Bernard's speech - why not admit it might've been a bad S/J moment? It would be like me trying to turn the Skate jealousy sex into something positive for S/K.
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That's shipper delusions. Sadly 99% of shippers suffer from it. You should read some of that delusional blah blah from the Chlark fanbase on Smallville. I admit that potential couple is cute and I used to ship them back in the day too, but I jumped ship after Devoted in season 4. It amazes me that those people are still hanging on and try to spin everything that happens in their favour 4 years later.
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It would be like me trying to turn the Skate jealousy sex into something positive for S/K.
Skaters still do that NOW. Almost 3 seasons later. I can't figure out how some of them do it. That scene started the downward spiral for the Skate story. It also started my constant pessmism that has not been subdued yet.

You won't ever catch me trying to spin a bad Skate scene into something good or a good Jate scene into something not so good. I go by what is shown on screen, not by past moments or past dialogue or recent story lines. For example, Kate was a cold bitch to Jack in 316, no doubt about it, but did that influence how I viewed the "It was not all misery" line and all the sad Kate faces with the teary-eyes in FTL? Absolutely not. That was Kate love to Jack, not something related to Aaron or Sawyer or whatever else it was spun into. In fact, Kate in FTL and Kate in the finale in regards to Jack and her scenes with him have reduced the significance of the Kate I saw in 316 and WHH. She went from kinda hating the guy and not wanting anything to do with him, to crying over the plans he had to erase their relationship and having his back again. I can't spin that. That is what I saw on my screen.

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Kate is a written mess. After the WHH retcon they had to have Kate show Jack some affection again to even out the god damn triangle for season 6. So this is what they did. That's why it's impossible to take the triangle seriously.
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And what was next season's tagline according to Eddie Kitsis? Was it "Free to be you and me. Do what you feel"? Could that possibly mean the loop and whatever happened happened is broken because of the bomb detonation and free will win out over fate? Or am I reading too much into it?
I took Kitsis' line mostly as a shipper hint, I don't know if it has a more general meaning/reference.

As much as I am a fan of Free Will, I really don't see a lot of hope in having any big change in the way the whole fate/choices matter will be presented in the end. When Ben is with Jacob and Esau inside the statue, first Jacob talks about choices, but he knows what Ben will do and sort of allows it to happen/provokes it.
But I would love for your theory to be true, Alex.

Today while I was updating the OP I re-read this:
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Funny, we posed that exact question to Damon Lindelof at the Hollywood premiere of Star Trek earlier this week. "All I will say is that it is time for the time travel craziness to end," he said. "And once it does end, something very, very surprising will happen in its wake. It is a little bit of a game-changer."
and while I believe that the only way to have a final season resembling S1 is flashing back to 2007 and stay there, what's so suprising about that? Unless the comment is about Locke-not-being-Locke and the beginning of the "war", but isn't that reveal/scene supposed to happen before the effects of the bomb do whatever they will to the people in 1977, and stop time travel?
But I realize that putting too much stock in Lindelof's comments/wording could be a huge mistake. It probably is.
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That's why the idea that the Losties will end up choosing different sides and fighting against each others in season 6 doesn't seem so crazy to me.
I was thinking about that today. We know that both Jack and James are variations of/come from "Jacob". Should be a hint that both will be on the "light", good side in the upcoming war? If Jacob really is the good guuy, that's it.
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That's how I got it the first time around - like they are safe, safe.
Then, if Rose and Bernard will flash along with the other Losties, they're back to have the same amount of chances to be Adam and Eve of any other character (*if* Adam and Eve are Losties). For a moment I thought we had our winners, lol.
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Is the Locke gif from the show or was the black smoke added?
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