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Old 06-10-2008, 08:29 AM
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*SPOILERS* #31: Eight months of sweet nothings whispered in our ears.




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This thread is to collect and discuss all the news, spoilers and speculations about Sawyer in the fifth season of Lost, airing in 2009 and starting to be shot in August 2008.
This post is to collect only the Sawyer-related spoilers/news.


Spoilers
June 6, 2008
Watch with Kristin - Lost Finale: Did You Still Have Some Questions or Something?

Mike in Hermosa Beach, Calif.: I have one question that I can't seem to find an answer to. And it's probably meant to be that we didn't hear, but what the hell did Sawyer whisper to Kate before he jumped?
Survey says: I've checked with my sources, and also a rep for the show, and have been told that the writers are "saving that secret for later on." According to one insider who works on the show, that line (what Sawyer said) wasn't even in the script. I wouldn't put too much stock into the gazillion daughter-in-Alabama (or possibly Albuquerque) "What Sawyer Said" videos currently playing on YouTube, some of which claim to have official and complete subtitles. Bottom line: Only Damon and Carlton know the whole truth, so I'm staying cautiously skeptical for the time being. If anyone sees them at Comic-Con next month (when they officially break their "radio silence"), tackle them and tickle them until they tell us if we can trust this YouTube business, OK?

Jen in Boston: I just noticed on the alternate endings to the Lost season finale on abc.com, the ones with Desmond or Sawyer in the coffin. What is that about?
That is about making sure people like me (evil, evil people) didn't spill the beans on who was in the coffin before the finale aired. And about showing off how hot Sawyer and Desmond are when wearing suits (even if they are dead). Seriously, don't give those endings a second thought, because there's the external drama of managing the fandom and the foilers, and there's the show itself. As Joss Whedon once said, "Trust the tale, not the teller."

Chris in Henderson, Nev.: If next season of Lost is about the Oceanic Six trying to get back, wouldn't it be more than just Emilie de Ravin who would need a holding contract? What about Josh Holloway, Terry O'Quinn, etc.?
They don't need holding contracts because we're going to see them on the Island next season, sillypants. I have no idea how they're going weave together the stories from back in the world with the stories from the Island, but Sawyer, Jin, Locke and company will be present and accounted for. I think a lot of season five will be a great ironic contrast between what the O6 think is happening on the Island, and what the Islanders think is happening in the world (all while the Widmore-Linus war rages around them).



June 4, 2008
Sky One: 'The Answers'
Sawyer may get an haircut. (?)


May 28, 2008
TV & Satellite Week scans - Finale Special
'Josh Holloway, who plays Sawyer, is glad to be a "left-behinder". "At first I got mad and kicked cans around the house, but then I thought, 'Well, I don't want to do scenes in a city. I'm not ready for a courtroom drama, I like the jungle. I like being dirty and sweaty and all messed up'", he says. "And the island is still one of the major characters in the show, and I'm on the island, so I'm with the big guy."'


May 24, 2008
- Los Angeles Times: 'Lost' season finale should answer questions
"All we can say is that it's going to be very hard to get back to the island for those guys," co-creator and executive producer Damon Lindelof said. "But life will continue for the people who are not with them. How are we going to tell that story? We're not going to tell that."

- USA Today Celeb Watch: Josh Holloway (YouTube link)
Q: Do you have any idea where Sawyer is heading, in the future?
Josh: Well, I'm on the island... they alluded to dark things.



May 15, 2008
TV guide interview with co-executive producer Jean Higgins
'And while Higgins can confirm that the latest Jack-Kate flash-forwards transpired well before the Season 3 finale's "We have to go baaaack!" scene, she won't pinpoint what exactly it is that Kate promised Sawyer and thus enrages her fiancé. "I would say that will come out most likely next year," she ventures.'


May 9, 2008
S5 and S6 will have 17 episodes each.


May 5, 2008
Watch with Kristin spoiler chat: Skate; Sawyer; Locke

Ally in Ireland: Please tell me Sawyer doesn't die...He isn't one of the Oceanic 6?
Right, he's not. But Sawyer doesn't die. He's alive. On the Island.



April 23, 2008
A.V. Club interview with Lindelof and Cuse


April 21, 2008
Watch with Kristin Spoiler Chat: Orchid Station, Seth Norris

Francie in Pasadena, Calif.: Can you share Lost info, s'il vous plaît?
According to my sources, the Orchid Station, which we should finally see soon, may be a major set going into next season as well. I've personally decided that's because it is totally a time machine, but I've been known to talk crazy.



February 24, 2008
The New York Post: 10 reasons why 'Lost' is found

2. We learn Jack's fate: The finale introduced the flash forward and showed us Jack's (Matthew Fox) slide into alcoholism when he leaves the island. "The flash forward is part of an overall plan for the show," says Damon Lindelof, co-executive producer. "Season 4 is about who gets off the island and the fact that they need to get back. Season 5 is about why they need to get back, and season 6 is about what happens when they get back."

3. We know who survives: Season four introduced six survivors: Jack (Matthew Fox); Kate (Evangeline Lilly); Hurley (Jorge Garcia), and Sayid (Naveen Andrews). This "Oceanic 6" make it off the island, but one will die - exactly who will be revealed this season. "We've made a choice to focus on the characters that fans have loved since the beginning - Jack, Kate, Sawyer (Josh Holloway), Locke (Terry O'Quinn), Sayid and Hurley," says Lindelof.

8. More sexual tension: The love quadrangle between Jack and Kate, Kate and Sawyer, and Jack and Juliet promises delicious complications, with Jack telling Kate he loves her, Sawyer asking Kate to shack up with him on the island and Juliet saving the day for Jack.



February 21, 2008
- Terry O'Quinn interviewed by The Canadian Press

AP: You've had other disagreements with the writers.
O'Quinn: At the end of Season 3 Locke throws a knife into Naomi's back and I said, 'This really hurts me, It's so not typical and it's so out of character and it seemed gratuitous.' I made the biggest stink I ever made with (executive producers) Damon Lindelhof and Carlton Cuse and they said, 'Look, Locke believes he was doing the right thing. His life was saved, he's been told, he's been instructed. He believes that this is the most dangerous person in the world right now and he does what he does. Do it.' I said, 'Well, you know, if I stab her in the back couldn't I at least shoot Jack in the knee or something?'

AP: What's it like working with such a large cast?
O'Quinn: One of the nice things about this cast, this size of cast, you get a new episode and you go, 'Oh great, now I get to work this little arc with Michael Emerson. We have a lot together. Or with Josh Holloway or Evangeline Lily and it's almost always a pleasure to find out who you're working with. Almost.

AP: Are there some you aren't pleased to work with?
O'Quinn: There've been some rough times but it's very familial in that way. It's like the holidays when you go, 'Oh God, uncle Bob's going to get drunk and abuse my cousin. But we'll get through it.'



February 20, 2008
From EW: Jeff Jensen interview with Lindelof and Cuse

- Naomi and Elsa's bracelets had no mytological purpose, they just thought giving Elsa the same bracelet would bring memories in Sayid;
- Adam and Eve, the skeletons, will be adressed but not this season;
- Episode 4x05 "deals with time travel and operates in different time periods";
- In episode 4x05, we'll find out which kind of calls the satellite phone can do and which it can't, explaining why they can't call the outside world;
- By the end of the season we will know who is in the coffin;
- The larger mythos, like "The Purge", will come back in season 5;
- NO to alternative realities, because they want the audience to invest in the story and the characters and what happens to them - that doesn't exclude time travel and bending of the space/time continuum though;
- By the end of the season, we'll know what happened since the O6 left the island/got rescued, to the point Jack and Kate meet in the airport;
- We'll see more hints to Jacob and the cabin, but that's not something that will be answered by the end of this season;
- the Orchid video showed at Comic Con is important this season;
- the mystery of Ben's list is linked to the wreckage seen at the bottom of the ocean.



January 30, 2008
Doc Arzt interview with Josh Holloway for BuddyTV


January 14, 2008
- Watch with Kristin - Spoiler Chat: Sawyer's death?; Penelope; Kate and one of the Boaties?; Jack&Juliet

Julia in San Diego: Lost! I just read somewhere that Sawyer might not make it through the season. Please save me from a true panic attack and tell me Sawyer isn't going anywhere!
Yes, Sawyer's going to be killed off in episode six, and from what I understand that will be the show's last-ever mention of the character. Audiences just never warmed up to him, and the writers realized it was best to simply give his off-putting storyline to a swift, clear-cut end. (I'm kidding. Seriously now, with all the stressing going on at tvdiva@eonline.com, I worry that you guys are all gonna give yourselves aneurysms. I promise you, if Sawyer were to eventually get killed off, which I consider unlikely in the extreme, the show would at least do it Nate Fisher style—that guy is gonna be around until the end in one way or another.)


Rumors
May 27, 2008
By Thomas via DarkUFO: Future Will be Present Time in Season 5!?
A friend who works in the Closed Captioning industry in LA has told me this little tidbit:
At some point in the finale a scene jumps to the aircraft pilot as a flashback - from the present off island.
Based on this information, can we assume sometime in the near future (i.e. season 5) we will be in the 'present' in the real world off island, and then flashbacks will now flash to the "past" (which we now think of as the present) on island?
Kinda a mirror image of the past 3 season.


Previous Threads

Josh as Sawyer in Lost S4: Past, present, future. We'll follow him everywhere.
#3: Nine months of hiatus?! Come to join the therapy group.
#4: 2° FF -> LA hotel, Maria/Fran/Misty+Sawyer. Guess the rest
#5: Our "Lost outcast" investigation? Not obsession, but scientific dedication.
#6: Apparently, it really is about bunnies.
#7: Fear our detective skills, foiler guys.
#8: An apparition? No, he really is filming.
#9: Lost on Monday: nothing better than Sawyer to start a new week.
#10: Trust no one, but the Hawaiian reporters.
#11: First set photos, Sawyer is back in action.
#12: The WTF spoilers are back: Sawyer meeting Fred Flintstones?
#13: Sawyer, Sawyer, Sawyer. (this title tries to compensate the lack of news)
#14: Max didn't make it to the theaters, but Sawyer did.
#15: We're just Sawyer fans, like Carlton.
#16: So, about those kids in tattered clothes...
#17: These boots were made for speculating.
#18: "That guy is gonna be around until the end"
#19: "And here I thought I'd finally be gettin' a good night's sleep"
#20 - Taller ghost Walt ordered: "Put that kitchen counter to good use"
#21: You are our constant, James.
#22: We would like to time travel to when Sawyer gets a storyline.
#23: Unlike the writers, we honor continuity & don't drop storylines.
#24: "Without a juicy Sawyer-centric piece we'll be dying." - DocArzt
#25: Burn, Monopoly, burn.
#26: James Ford and the Secret of the Lost Plotline
#27: A knight without armor in a savage land.
#28: The Finale Follies - Step Right Inside
#29: Bye S4. We won't miss you except for the Big Damn Hero!
#30: Jumping the shark? More like Turning the wheel.
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From Kristin's spoiler chat - Watch with Kristin - Spoiler Chat: <i>Heroes</i>, <i>Hills</i>, <i>90210</i> and More!
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I've unilaterally decided that Ben's declaration means Walt has to go back, too, but whether Darlton or the Island agree with me remains to be seen. As for Michael, well, that there info you have from the advisory panel is what Arsenio used to call a thing that makes you go "Hmmmm..."

Janice in Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada: On Lost, Ben says they all have to go back to the Island. Does this include Jin and Sun's child?
I personally think everybody means everybody, including innocent babies and children whom their mothers and feisty grandmothers are strongly disinclined to take back to the Dangerous Island of the Four-Toed Statue. On the other hand, maybe the moms can leave their babies with Penny while everyone else returns?
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Thanks for the spoilers Muffin!
("Spoilers" is a bit of an exageration, though - more like Kristin's own speculations)

Does "everybody" includes children who never met their father? Just wondering.

This is super OT, but earlier I was wondering if you'll hear from Alexa ever again... I would totally understand if she had watched a couple more episodes when she came back from China and decided this show wasn't worth caring anymore.
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Well, to be fair to Kristin, she didn't put these answers under the spoiler line, but in the introductory part.

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Does "everybody" includes children who never met their father? Just wondering.
Ha-ha That would funny, but if they can take Aaron, Walt and a corpse, why not one more child?

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It wouldn't surprise me. Maybe she didn't even bother watching Lost at all after she got back. She could be cured.
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Well, to be fair to Kristin, she didn't put these answers under the spoiler line, but in the introductory part.
Oh, well in that case I have no complaining to do.
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Ha-ha That would funny, but if they can take Aaron, Walt and a corpse, why not one more child?
That's what I'm saying.
I have some moral issues with the fact that I don't really want Cassidy on the island (you know, my whole "missed opportunities" theory ), but I also don't want a child separated from her mother. She, in the past, when I was daydreaming about Lost, Cassidy usually died and Sawyer had to take care of Clemmy. But that would be cruel as well.
It's complicated.
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I have some moral issues with the fact that I don't really want Cassidy on the island (you know, my whole "missed opportunities" theory ), but I also don't want a child separated from her mother. She, in the past, when I was daydreaming about Lost, Cassidy usually died and Sawyer had to take care of Clemmy. But that would be cruel as well.
It's complicated.
Death seems like a perfect solution to so many imaginary scenarios.
I can't really see Cassidy crying and waiting for Sawyer six years after she last met him. Seeing how the O6 became very popular, I assume she spent at least three years thinking he died in the Oceanic plane crash. What I had in mind for her and Clementine was a nice, happy life with another man who became a lover and a father Sawyer never was. It would've worked great for a FB, but now not so much.

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I can't really see Cassidy crying and waiting for Sawyer six years after she last met him. Seeing how the O6 became very popular, I assume she spent at least three years thinking he died in the Oceanic plane crash. What I had in mind for her and Clementine was a nice, happy life with another man who became a lover and a father Sawyer never was. It would've worked great for a FB, but now not so much.
Yep. Seeing that kind of scene through Sawyer's eyes would've been significant, sad and bittersweet, but also helpful to have Sawyer realizing certain things and make peace with it. To see Clemmy's happy family when Kate goes to visit her doesn't really strike me as something that relevant, although the money James left to his daughter could come up.
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Yep. Seeing that kind of scene through Sawyer's eyes would've been significant, sad and bittersweet, but also helpful to have Sawyer realizing certain things and make peace with it. To see Clemmy's happy family when Kate goes to visit her doesn't really strike me as something that relevant, although the money James left to his daughter could come up.
They would have to add some drama to make things interesting or else it might turn out to be just an extension of a previously established random connection between the characters. Basically, a waste of time.

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They would have to add some drama to make things interesting or else it might turn out to be just an extension of a previously established random connection between the characters. Basically, a waste of time.
Assuming the promise is about Clementine (I'm already onboard with that theory and we have received no confirmation ), I'm still optimistic it will come a time where the whole thing will have an effect on Sawyer and we'll see it. I don't see the reason to use it for Kate only - if they wanted to bring up something to make her think of Sawyer or make Jack jealous, it could've been a lot of other things. It can't be that they simply want to close that chapter showing us that Clementine is fine because fans have never really cared about her that much to demand an ending/explanation.
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Then you're stuck with Lost. At least as long as Sawyer's on.
I've been this loyal to a show only with X-Files before. I just keep falling for super complicated mythologies that only confuse my mind, ugh, lol. At least back then my favorite character was on screen every week and in huge doses.

DarkUFO has a Watch with Kristin show up, she basically confirms that the island has moved through space and time.
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It can't be that they simply want to close that chapter showing us that Clementine is fine because fans have never really cared about her that much to demand an ending/explanation.
I don't want that. That option requires zero Sawyer involvement.

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I've been this loyal to a show only with X-Files before. I just keep falling for super complicated mythologies that only confuse my mind, ugh, lol. At least back then my favorite character was on screen every week and in huge doses.
Except when he briefly left the show.

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That was expected. I would hate it if only a couple of months, weeks or even days pass for people left behind and 3 freaking years for the O6. We'll have to see if they went into island's past or future.

I expect some physical time-travelling next. Yay! Not.
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I don't want that. That option requires zero Sawyer involvement.
I think it's the least possible option - usually they do that because they get the fans are waiting for an answer on the matter. In this case they didn't have to reply to the fans because I've never read of a large part of the audience curious about Clementine.
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Yeah, but I had already gotten 7 Mulder-filled seasons by then, which is more than Lost will ever give with Sawyer. I also loved Scully to pieces so I coped through her - although some of the stuff I've watched in the ninth season of X-Files makes the froken donkey wheel and Smokey look super cool in comparison.
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That was expected. I would hate it if only a couple of months, weeks or even days pass for people left behind and 3 freaking years for the O6. We'll have to see if they went into island's past or future.
What I'm most interested about is knowing if the island moved in the past of in the future. Maybe it moved in the future, and future!Widmore with the help of future!Sun managed to find it and that would explain the "bad things" happened? I have no idea and I'm wild-guessing as usual.
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So you expect somebody to do what Locke did and teleport themselves on mainland, in 2007, when they realize John "failed"?
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I think it's the least possible option - usually they do that because they get the fans are waiting for an answer on the matter. In this case they didn't have to reply to the fans because I've never read of a large part of the audience curious about Clementine.
Honestly, I think most viewers don't even remeber Sawyer has a daughter. That includes online fans.

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What I'm most interested about is knowing if the island moved in the past of in the future. Maybe it moved in the future, and future!Widmore with the help of future!Sun managed to find it and that would explain the "bad things" happened? I have no idea and I'm wild-guessing as usual.
That would make things a bit complicated and we'd have to watch the O6 in the present time (mainland) and in the future (on the island). FRankly, I want them to take a backseat.

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I don't know how exactly it'll work out, but I'm pretty sure it won't involve just consciousness travelling through time. IMO Desmond storyline served to introduce the concept of fate and course correction more that time-travel rules (mind not body - my ass).
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Honestly, I think most viewers don't even remeber Sawyer has a daughter. That includes online fans.
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That would make things a bit complicated and we'd have to watch the O6 in the present time (mainland) and in the future (on the island). FRankly, I want them to take a backseat.
It's hard to make a guess not knowing of how many years forward or backward the island moved. If it's only a few years, I can't really imagine a cool scenario for the island if it moved in the past, but I always have troubles in speculating about time travel.
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I don't know how exactly it'll work out, but I'm pretty sure it won't involve just consciousness travelling through time. IMO Desmond storyline served to introduce the concept of fate and course correction more that time-travel rules (mind not body - my ass).
A flashback in the 80's with Sawyer wearing pink once again?

I do think physical time travelling is inevitable at this point - otherwise we won't have Locke in that coffin. And we know the Orchid will be a major set in S5, so...
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