Grey's Anatomy - T.R. Knight ||George O'Malley|| #26: Because we will NEVER forgot our George but we wish TR all the best - Page 8

**wanderer78** · 07-05-2009, 12:24 AM

at all the photos.

Lee, I

that title.

ganymede20 · 07-05-2009, 04:17 AM

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I wonder why Shonda always dressed George in such a downy manner. It seemed lkike she wanted to uglify him.

I think that was her goal as she had his hair dyed dark to look geeky. With his natural hair color long strands would blond at the end. However, I do think she failed as he's far too attractive to be dismissed with a dyed job and frumpy clothes.

Lee, thanks for the screencaps. He looks so yummy with his arms up in the first three. I'm loving all these pics.

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It was a huge risk for him to leave, but the risk paid off. He's got two gigs within weeks of being out of his contract. He's going to go far. This is just the start...

I think so too. Actually IMHO it's less of a risk than some would surmise. Critics often have the mentality of spoiled children. Notice they've generally panned the show yet when they report TR wants to leave they deride him for wanting to exit a "hit" series. Many just want someone or something to blame and, unfortunately, George is their target. It was wise for him to take himself out of their cross-hairs for the present. Returning to his strength-the theatre-will remind people at large of his talents.

Again, I don't believe he's finished in front of the camera. However, I don't foresee he'd be a regular on network TV again. Rather he'd do shorter term work, such as HBO's schedule of 13 or less episodes, or pivotal guest starring roles on a program like Law & Order.

Also he shopped around his screenplay at Sundance in Jan. 2008, which means he understands the value of working behind the scenes. I imagined he'd be a producer also and maybe a director who would make his own opportunities.

Finally, I've heard but have deeply suspected that ABC had stifled him creatively. Originally Comedy Central was to have aired The Last Request but Lifetime, a subsidiary of ABC/Disney, took ownership and broadcasted it sporadically. A Comedy Central showing would've exposed TR to an audience not inclined to GA's format. Lifetime with its emphasis on Harlequin-type romance films starring very conventional hunks was a poor venue for a film about a geeky, virgin attempting to sire a child. Hopefully it'll have wider release.

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Move up to Wisconsin - though we get those 100 degree days with humidity flying off the charts, you always get ice cold water! I can't remember where I found those photos of him...it may have been JustJared, but probably not. It was a long time ago when I found them :-/

Eh, Vegas gets 102 F and 88% humidity during monsoon season. It's not pretty either.

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Well Denzel Washington sure go the last word, didn't he? He's a huge huge star now despite what the critics tried to do for him.

It's amazing he became a star at a time when complex roles for Black men were scarce. Furthermore he exceled at playing intelligent if not educated men when Hollywood was more comfortable with "ghetto" type. He really did beat the odds.

I'm hoping for something similar for TR. His forte is the working-class man while the industry prefers witty, urbane gay men residing in posh metropolitan centers.

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Shame they didn't make them a bit tighter though.

That reminds me when he was heavier he had a bigger butt and it was noticeablein his scrubs. However, it was very cute. It's still prominent but toned. Just had to wax lyrical on his rump.

I'll also pay tribute to his unruly hair. In the set I posted didn't it seem like the lock in back just wouldn't stay. In fact that's true of many of his pics. A gay man that doesn't use to much hair product.

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Lexie seemed to throw herself at George, but George didn't care or something?!? I don't get it. Why was Izzie allowed to move on but not George because she made it seem like George never got over Izzie....hence why he wasn't interested in Lexie.

My interpretation is he was in the midst of personal turmoil and some depression to start a relationship. This is probably to cover for the fact ABC lost faith that TR can play straight so it prevented any kind of pairing. I also speculate MG may wanted Sadie and George to hook up but TPTB balked. As far as Izzie is concerned KH is now the star of GA and it was just a matter of whatever man is suited.

mariem201 · 07-05-2009, 06:10 AM

Yes Katie is their big star. I always knew they weren't going to leave her alone.

I was reading The Sun, an Ottawa newspaper, and they were talking about openly gay actor playing openly straight chaaracters and sure enough, there was our TR. The list was extremely short.

It had Ian McKellen, Ruper Everett, Neil Patrick Harris, Bulldog on Frasier and TR.

Really most actors don't want to come out because TPTB and the studios seem to be incredibly ill at ease having gay men play straight.

Then the article stated the lesbians didn't have the same problem and that actresses saying they were bisexual in Hollywood added to their mystiques while saying you were gay could hurt it.

I think that's what happened with George.

It's so sad as TR had amazing romantic chemistry with both Katie and Chyler. I thought, ME, my opinion, LOL, that TR had more chemistry with Katie than anyone on the show and that he had more chemistry with Chyler, but the fact that he was so openly gay seem to paralyze TPTB.

I can see TR being a producer or doing guest episodes in some shows.

I read someone commenting she was glad TR was off her TV forever.

Again, the assumption he will never work on TV again. I wonder where they geet that from.

I have also noticed the few George haters get very agressive with the George fans. They don't seem to be doing well with the fact TR has been getting so much love.

Lee, I love your title but could we keep it for thread 28?

I love the TR has forever changed two letters in the alphabet for us.

drcookchick · 07-05-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ganymede20

Originally Comedy Central was to have aired The Last Request but Lifetime, a subsidiary of ABC/Disney, took ownership and broadcasted it sporadically. A Comedy Central showing would've exposed TR to an audience not inclined to GA's format. Lifetime with its emphasis on Harlequin-type romance films starring very conventional hunks was a poor venue for a film about a geeky, virgin attempting to sire a child. Hopefully it'll have wider release.

Actually, The Last Request was on Comedy Central months ago. I believe it was late last year or early this year. But it did air on Lifetime? I'm shocked. Like you said, that is far from the type of movies that Lifetime generally airs.

mariem201 · 07-05-2009, 07:11 AM

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Actually, The Last Request was on Comedy Central months ago. I believe it was late last year or early this year. But it did air on Lifetime? I'm shocked. Like you said, that is far from the type of movies that Lifetime generally airs.

Oh I never see it at all. I wish I could.

I get a lot of movies because I have the free movie channels, but never saw this one yet.

I booked that Leo Frank novel yesterday, the one Cindy talked about.

I am curious to read it.

Right now, I'm reading Ivanhoe. Never got to it before.

**wanderer78** · 07-05-2009, 08:55 PM

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Also he shopped around his screenplay at Sundance in Jan. 2008, which means he understands the value of working behind the scenes. I imagined he'd be a producer also and maybe a director who would make his own opportunities.

I remember during the early days of GA, he was shadowing Peter Horton and other directors, b/c he hoped to direct an ep one day. I really wish that had happened.

ganymede20 · 07-06-2009, 04:25 AM

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Actually, The Last Request was on Comedy Central months ago. I believe it was late last year or early this year. But it did air on Lifetime? I'm shocked. Like you said, that is far from the type of movies that Lifetime generally airs.

Are you sure it was Comedy Central because from my understanding Lifetime took ownership of it? Originally it was slated to appear during October-November with a heavy promotion. John DeBellis, the director, was lined-up as were some of the comedians in minor roles. ABC refused to make TR available. In fact, it was on the basis of his name the channel was willing to do a major campaign.

It could be possible what ABC/Disney did was thwart the publicity and may've permitted Com Cen to air it at a less trafficked time. Afterwards Lifetime broadcast it early this year. If you review the initial date it coincided with the public phasing out of him.

Honestly I feel if the intended plans came to fruition not only would the public see him in a different light but a few industry personnel. He doesn't have to take the roles that might've arose from this exposure but it is important to be able to reject offers rather than to scramble for these.

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I remember during the early days of GA, he was shadowing Peter Horton and other directors, b/c he hoped to direct an ep one day. I really wish that had happened.

With his foray into writing and his desire to direct means there was a plethora of ways to keep TR in the fold but it was ABC who wanted to sever all ties. TR would've certainly have been amenable to less screentime in exchange for directing and/or writing.

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I was reading The Sun, an Ottawa newspaper, and they were talking about openly gay actor playing openly straight chaaracters and sure enough, there was our TR. The list was extremely short.

It had Ian McKellen, Ruper Everett, Neil Patrick Harris, Bulldog on Frasier and TR.

I would also add Alan Cumming, Jeremy Sheffield, George Takei, John Glover, BD Wong, Guillermo Diaz, Chad Allen, Jonathan Slavin, and Ben Daniels. However this isn't even an exhaustive list of openly gay actors and I didn't include John Barrowman whose straight roles were prior to his coming out. I'm sure some are scratching your heads over a few of the names and, indeed, they're largely character actors playing heterosexual as guest or recurring parts. For some their series don't have high visibility.

The list Marie gave should be contextualized further. Rupert Everett's portrayed hetero in UK films, some of which didn't receive a large audience. When he crossed the pond into Hollywood he depicted witty, urbane gay men. While not enough can be said about the tremendous influence of Ian McKellen his age has limited his type to largely non-sexual beings. Was there even a hint of his relationships as Magneto in the first X-Men?

The actor who plays Bulldog is Dan Butler, a wonderful actor. However, Bulldog was recurring at best. It should be noted that Dan is also a Midwesterner and specializes in salt of the earth personalities. What is it about Midwesterners that capture this persona well?

That leaves NPH and TR as the most high profile gays in romantic roles. No offense to NPH's talents but thus far his womanizer roles are in comedies. Also his personage is that of an upper class urbanite, which is the stereotype for gays and although in hetero form may be more palatable to TPTB. TR has just lost his groundbreaking role. While I hesitate to call the situation in Hollywood for the LGBT bleak it certainly is an enormous challenge.

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It's so sad as TR had amazing romantic chemistry with both Katie and Chyler. I thought, ME, my opinion, LOL, that TR had more chemistry with Katie than anyone on the show and that he had more chemistry with Chyler, but the fact that he was so openly gay seem to paralyze TPTB.

He also had chemistry with SR and Sarah Utterback, who played Olivia. Many believed he had it with EP and some will claim MG. Those who demand he only play gay are in the vast minority and composed mainly of haters who think gay is an insult. Hardcore IW fans either insist Owen be made a homosexual or imply he is one as a means to demean him. These voices should be ignored.

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I have also noticed the few George haters get very agressive with the George fans. They don't seem to be doing well with the fact TR has been getting so much love.

Speaking of this there's a certain blogger, who's an IW-supporter, and those on LJ are trying to start a boycott of Parade by trumping race issues. I decided to be pro-active and contacted B'nai Brith, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and very active members of the Jewish community in LA about it. If it reaches a critical level they're ready to counter. Leo Frank's lynching still elicits strong reactions amongst Jews and to have some ignorant people utilize anti-Semitism to further a petty feud disgusts them.

These haters can squack all they want but in the end, Marie, how much power can they have if we don't let them have it. Just stay focus with loving TR and George.

On a lighter note here's the event where the set I posted came from. It was a GA Press Conference in 2007. How his hair will not stay in place.

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mariem201 · 07-06-2009, 07:07 AM

Wow, that's awful. Really? They're going after TR's Broadway plays now. What a bunch of vindictive losers!

Good for you for doing something.

I know Chad Allen from Dr. Quinn. He got death threats for playing a priest from nutjob fanatics.

I know George Takei. John Glover, is that the dad from Back to the future?

Alan Cumins is that genius guy from Broadway. He played in Annie in the Tv movie.

But it is tough it seems to be openly gay and play straight roles.

I hope this changes soon.

Great photos, thanks. I love TR's hair. I always wanted to push my hand in it somehow.

you're right. I'll just love TR and ignore the haters. They're not worth it, and they don't affect my love for TR in any way.

**wanderer78** · 07-06-2009, 11:19 PM

John Glover is best known as Lex Luthor's father in Smallville. I didn't know he was gay. It's great that he's out.

Oh how I wish I could see Parade.

ganymede20 · 07-07-2009, 04:46 AM

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John Glover, is that the dad from Back to the future?

The dad on Back to the Future is Crispin Glover. John Glover is, Pia mentioned, Lionel Luther in Smallville. He's also Saul's bf on Brothers and Sisters. He's played both gay and straight roles in his career.

I should clarify all of these men I mentioned should be commended for their talents, courage in being out, and each contribute to LGBT progress in the industry. I merely dissecting that some have more visibility than others.

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Alan Cumins is that genius guy from Broadway. He played in Annie in the Tv movie.

Alan has done plenty of Broadway but I didn't he was in the Annie TV Movie. His largest roles were in Goldeneye and X-Men 2. He said in an interview the American people don't care about an actor's homosexuality only the press.

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I know Chad Allen from Dr. Quinn. He got death threats for playing a priest from nutjob fanatics.

Are you referring to the movie where he's a missionary in South America? That is horrible. This also illustrates the difficulty of obtaining roles in Hollywood for openly gay actors. He had to seek out a part from conservative Christians.

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Wow, that's awful. Really? They're going after TR's Broadway plays now. What a bunch of vindictive losers!

Here's some info on Leo Frank. Seeing who the actual killer is will give you an idea of the seeds of the vicious campaign IW supporters are trying to whip up. That's why I called Jewish activists because serious subjects need proper and informative discourse not vindictive, petty rhetoric. Also I'm working hard to go and if I do and any of the haters become rowdy towards me I have license to use pepper spray.

Warning. This entry displays a photo of LF's actual lynching. Although his head is obscured it's still disturbing. I'd be crying if there's a scene like this in Parade.

Leo Frank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Great photos, thanks. I love TR's hair. I always wanted to push my hand in it somehow.

Messy, clean, long, short, wavy, straight, buzzed I always want to stroke it. Heck, I'd even wash it for him.

Here's some info on Lend Me a Tenor. TR will be playing Max.

Lend Me a Tenor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christian'sKimberDoll · 07-07-2009, 04:59 AM

Found that on the abc board:

Could that mean that they won't kill George? I hope that doesn't mean they recast the role with a new actor.

The discussion is up that maybe Shonda makes a big time jump that George's wounds can heal and that he can go to the Army as planned. In this case George would survive and it wouldn't be too tragic for his friends.

ganymede20 · 07-07-2009, 05:23 AM

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Could that mean that they won't kill George? I hope that doesn't mean they recast the role with a new actor.

The discussion is up that maybe Shonda makes a big time jump that George's wounds can heal and that he can go to the Army as planned. In this case George would survive and it wouldn't be too tragic for his friends.

It could simply mean TPTB saw the sentiments and are afraid people will be too depressed to watch the premiere. Recasting George would be worse than death. It would be a slap in the face to TR, his fans, and viewer intelligence. Yes, I'm going to believe this 6 ft., blond, 19 year-old Robert Pattinson-look-alike is the reconstrcuted George.

As for the time jump that would be a okay as I'd love for George to live.

inthesun · 07-07-2009, 07:00 AM

I love George, but I think a time jump would make the whole situation he was in like "what was the point"? Especially since it seems like he won't even be in the premiere. So imagine that elevator scene from the finale is the last scene we see with George and then in the premiere we don't even see him and its set 3 months later and George has recovered and no one really talks about him anymore. That would be so disappointing to me.

mariem201 · 07-07-2009, 07:41 AM

I just hope they say George has been sent somewhere else to recover. I won't accept another George, but I won't accept a dead George either.

Not much we can do as they start filming next week though.

Thanks for the info on Lend me a tenor. Max seems one of the leading roles.

I found some photos of TR, one from June 17th:

drcookchick · 07-07-2009, 10:10 AM

Marie, thanks for posting those pics. The second one of him made my downhill day a lot better

Shame there's a watermark, but either way, he looks really happy and cute.

Since there's a showdown going on in the GDT thread, can we do a T.R. pic showdown as well? Those are always fun.

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Originally Posted by ganymede20

Are you sure it was Comedy Central because from my understanding Lifetime took ownership of it? Originally it was slated to appear during October-November with a heavy promotion. John DeBellis, the director, was lined-up as were some of the comedians in minor roles. ABC refused to make TR available. In fact, it was on the basis of his name the channel was willing to do a major campaign.

I am 100% positive. We have a program thing on our TV that tells us what the station is and what's on and the run time. It said "Last Request"; I hit info and "T.R. Knight, Danny Aiello" were shown as the lead actors.

So, T.R. was going to make an appearence on CC? Was it an interview or what? ABC has been pushed up on my "Wrong-Side-To-Be-On" list...