Grey's Anatomy - T.R. Knight ||George O'Malley|| #26: Because we will NEVER forgot our George but we wish TR all the best - Page 7

inthesun · 07-02-2009, 04:49 PM

3rd season...episode 3 I think at the end.

YouTube - 3x03 Sometimes a Fantasy - The Last Scene

**wanderer78** · 07-02-2009, 05:36 PM

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Did you read this? This made me think of what Gwen was saying about the critis being thrilled TR is back to theater. According to this, George's character had no growth left anymore and TR is better doing theater and his time on TV is done for now.
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I couldn't disagree more, and I wrote to tell him too.

I don't completely agree with MR there either. I know he has a right to his opinion, but it seems like he swallowed TPTB's Kool Aid there. I'm thrilled that TRK is doing theater too. But I do feel like he was shoved off the show pretty much, and was made to feel useless.

Lee, thanks for those pics of him shopping. He looks so great there.

Cindy, I didn't realize there was a book about Leo Frank. I'd love to read it, but I have like 200+ books already that I haven't read yet.

ganymede20 · 07-03-2009, 04:56 AM

Lee, thanks for the pics.

At this time in Vegas the pipes get warmed enough there's no such thing as cold just lukewarm water. Now I'll never be cooled down.Where'd you get them.

The natural waves have lost shape and his hair in the front is fuzzing. That's what happens to me in humidity or sweating. Maybe he was exercising. I adore in paparazzi photos how natural he is and willing to keep doing things even if it makes for a less "flattering" pose. Some celebrities when they spot the camera stop eating because the usual contortions appear unbecoming. In the first he's scratching his chin. This reminds me of a scene I'd envisioned where Izzie is shaving George before work.

He looks rather dazed in the second but this is probably where he realizes someone is trailing him. In the last one he seems distressed. Once again I just want to hug him, run my fingers through his hair, and give him a kiss. If this is late '06-early '07, sadly, the drama in his life would be the unraveling of his relationship with Luke.

Honestly, unlike other celebs a set of pics is like watching a snippet of a silent documentary.

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Love those pictures of him in casual clothes....He has a nice chest and arms.

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Gwen, those people you're talking about are atrocious. The sad thing is Adam Lambert and TR Knight probably have more talent in their pinky finger than them.

My friend alerted me to this so I checked out a few of their LJ's. Sure enough from three of the males there was definitely jealousy that Adam and TR still receive female adoration, in spite or maybe because of, their sexuality. There seemed to be an underlying anxiety that women will reject wholesale machismo in favor of more emotive men.

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Appalling is most definitely the word. I can't believe that went on in a GA LJ community... I can't believe that was tolerated!
Appalling.

Exactly that a moderated board and they let this happen despite protests. What's next icons with racial, ethnic, and gender epithets?

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Gwen, I honestly am heartbroken over the discrimination that you faced growing up. Honestly? High School kids are the worst of it... unlike smaller, younger children who do not have the skills to figure out how to express their curiosity about differences, high schoolers/adolescents have the ability to think abstractly to understand the complexities of these issue and the social skills to converse about ethnic differences in a reasonable and considerate manner. It just makes me that you had to endure such ignorance and pointed cruelty. I appreciate your openness in sharing you stories of discrimination, for my own understanding for my son and also to understand and appreciate TR's strength even more.

Scientifically adolscents have reached the physical end of brain development. They possess all the cognitive abilities of adults but often their emotions get the best of them. This is where authority figures have to guide with a deft hand. Unfortunately we've seen the decline in discipline and moral teaching to youth.

Cindy, thanks for the compliment. It's been twenty years and I look upon it with different eyes. While it's tempting to recall the negative I also want to add the positive. There were highly supportive students and teachers who became proactive on issues of intolerance and multicultural clubs were formed. These took on more significance when the riots erupted. After that formerly reluctant teachers and students realized racism was a serious issue.

I can't emphasize enough that the climate in the 1980s and early 1990s was a different world from the last decades. Imagine how racially homogenized popular culture. Michael Jackson was one of the few Black artists featured on MTV, in the early years. Fashion magazine featured almost exclusively blonde, Nordic-looking models. I rarely even saw Italian, Greeks, Jewish, or Armenian. This is probably why those girls truly believed themselves to be the envy of the females of high school.

In retrospect I noticed an interesting parallel. In the 1980s two Black actors became the first sex symbols to receive cross-racial adulation: Philip Michael Thomas of Miami Vice and Denzel Washington of St. Elsewhere. PMT was more readily favored in Hollywood because he was in the action genre, a place people were comfortable seeing Black men in through a decade of acceptance in sports. Denzel was considered more problematic because he broke the mold for Black actors in drama.

The press seemed uneasy about him being a fan favorite amongst the White women. Many times he was omitted from stories about the "hunks" of St. Elsewhere despite viewer demands. However, the media could never be as vicious towards him as they are to TR but they did describe his character in stereotypical terms. Denzel's Philip Chandler was derided as "uppity," "angry," and "arrogant" all stereotypes of educated Black men in much the same way as George being "weak" and "frail" as stereotypes of gay men. Hints of interracial desire was squashed with approval from the press and despite being gorgeous and fit Dr. Chandler had no love interest until the last two seasons. He also was given storylines that undermined his credibility such one where he believes becoming a doctor was a mistake. For the last three seasons he was backburned.

However, nothing compares to the hounding the press gives to TR. Pia put it succintly with "it seems like he swallowed TPTB's Kool Aid there." Although I do wonder if the reference to DHP was an inadvertent admission to the campaign or a warning of the role they will consign him for the rest of his career. Also I'm dismayed by the almost absolutist tone about him not returning to TV. Is that wish fulfillment? TR himself never said he was done and why preclude he'd do another program or a TV movie or miniseries. I hope he rises like Denzel and proves the critics wrong.

Thanks, Cindy, for informing us about the book. There's also a TV an old TV miniseries called The Murder of Mary Phagan with Peter Gallagher as Leo Frank. There's another book by David Mamet on the case called The Old Religion.

Also thanks for the pic of George. Also have fun on your fourth of July. That's goes for everybody. Belated Happy Canada Day!

mariem201 · 07-03-2009, 07:28 AM

Thanks I had a great Canada day.

I know I was dismayed by his saying TR is done on TV for now, and it's for the best.

I don't remember TR saying he didn't want to do TV anymore.

You know, I have to admit I didn't think the critics were glad TR was off in theater and not on TV anymore until he said it.

This is the one critic who always stood by TR before and the only one at TV Guide who admitted Gizzie had a lot of fans, but now he seems to have drunk the same Koolaid as all the other critics and of course posted a comment by someone who spent his whole letter saying Gizzie had ruined the show

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Not sure if anyone else watches Scribs but they had this lead character called JD who was shown as very sensitive, and not the conventional hunk type at all. He dated Elliot, this gorgeous blonde, and like Gizzie, they got a lot of hate and love.

Well yesterday there was something on Tv-com where they talked about characters that should get killed off and JD wa first. They mentioned his geekiness, sensitivity, feminine voice and goody-two-shoe nature as reasons why he was such a loser.

Who else was on the list? Jorge from Lost. Of course, they claimed to love him but they added it was the last season and what more emotional way to end the show than by killing the nice guy and giving him a heroic death.

It reminded me of George somehow. They either think the good guy is irritating and should be written off or that their one use is to get killed off heroically.

It's disturbing.

I find it very interesting he brought David Hyde Pierce too.

Notice how David only came out after he had finished on Frasier? I sadly think he was scared of this exact same kind of reaction some gave TR and George.

If he had, maybe Niles and Daphne wouldn't have ended up together.

It makes me so sad critics think like that and thsoe are the people Shonda and co choose to listen to.

That Denzel story is very sad. They did the same to him as they did to George, it seems.

Let,s just hope the situation for gays evolve like it did with Black people, although sadfly interracial romances are still sometimes frowned upon in TV shows.

**~♥~My Lonely Angel~♥~** · 07-03-2009, 05:21 PM

Didn't see much of season 5 yet, but George leaves?

I love George

**wanderer78** · 07-04-2009, 12:11 AM

Actually, I don't really like JD either. But I don't want him to die. And don't like JD/Elliot. But that's just me personally.

Marie, you make a good point. I didn't like what the M. Roush answer was kind of implying, that TR would never do TV again.

Jess, yeah George wasn't in Season 5 much anyways.

WalaBridget · 07-04-2009, 02:49 AM

S5 George was like an extra

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ganymede20 · 07-04-2009, 04:09 AM

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That Denzel story is very sad. They did the same to him as they did to George, it seems.

I've only remembered St. Elsewhere from reruns and the last few seasons watching with my sister. One of my friends recalls the entire series and noted a number of parallels. In his estimate Burke's basic template is Dr. Chandler but IW chose to make him arrogant and cocky. Second George failed intern exams hews close to the plot of Dr. Morrison flunking his residency exam. This dismayed me since this will be yet another George storyline Shonda stole from another show. Did she really lose direction for him so early?

The mirroring between DW's and TR's reception with the Hollywood press goes deeper. In the first two seasons the critics liked DW and his character. Being fan favorite, critical raves, and the prominence of Bill Cosby and Philip Michael Thomas in TV the producers felt the time was right for him to be heavily featured. Suddenly the critics became uneasy and started to complain about the very same traits they once praised. TPTB made him less noticeable.

At the time there was basically TV Guide and People for print and ET for TV. They all neglected or barely included DW as the show's hunks. They would even mention Ed Begley, Jr. as a cuddly, nerdy hunk over the more traditionally handsome DW. It reminded me of the conversations surrounding replacing TR with another actor as George. Some welcomed a "hotter" actor and the same were excited when it seemed Dominic Monaghan was cast. DM has never been considered a romantic lead and his looks are even less classically handsome. The message was any straight man is better than TR just like any White actor was better than DW. I have no problem with recognizing all forms of beauty but if one presents a certain POV I expect him/her to be consistent.

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Let,s just hope the situation for gays evolve like it did with Black people

ITA. I hope it's soon so as not to be an impenetrable obstacle for TR.

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although sadfly interracial romances are still sometimes frowned upon in TV shows.

It's still a controversial subject because many on all sides are opposed to interracial relationships.

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Didn't see much of season 5 yet, but George leaves? I love George

George doesn't leave; he dies.

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Who else was on the list? Jorge from Lost. Of course, they claimed to love him but they added it was the last season and what more emotional way to end the show than by killing the nice guy and giving him a heroic death.

There's been strong talk about a Lost movie. ABC Studios would be the beneficiary but it would have to pay its surviving cast members well. I'm wondering if this is a trial baloon for killing off Jorge so as to cut the cost of the film.

Gio Gio · 07-04-2009, 04:14 AM

Old pics. Source: variety.com

WalaBridget · 07-04-2009, 04:16 AM

Thanks for the pics Gio

ganymede20 · 07-04-2009, 05:36 AM

TR in denim.

I posted the first one but it's nice to see the whole set. His smile is so sweet.

drcookchick · 07-04-2009, 07:01 AM

Hey, happy 4th to the Americans on here, and happy belated to the Canadian posters

Thanks for posting those photos, Gio. He looks so darn adorable I just want to pinch his cheeks and snuggle him like a teddy bear

I wish they would have let T.R. worn some of his clothes on set when he'd play George instead of some of those stripes (think brown and yellow striped shirt from season four).

Though there is a few photos of him with the red hair and he wore the same green and white striped polo as he wore in season three. I believe it was the episode when Meredith was on morphine... One thing I had wished for, if George had lived and T.R. renewed his contract for another season, was when George would get healed up (like I've said in the past, that would only take about three or four episodes because Grey's is so wonky with their time lines) they'd stick him on morphine at some point. T.R. would have been brilliant with those scenes...

Here are some poor-quality screen caps from the YouTube clip inthesun posted:

When he's standing with his arms up, he actually looks like a model. Every time I think of that I think of his qoute on the pilot commentary: "T.R. Knight: male model."

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He definitely does. He looks like a man in control of his destiny.

"T.R. Knight | | George O'Malley | | #27: Because he's a man in control of his destiny."

^ I vote on that being the next title.

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Lee, thanks for the pics.

At this time in Vegas the pipes get warmed enough there's no such thing as cold just lukewarm water. Now I'll never be cooled down.Where'd you get them.

Aw, that sucks. Move up to Wisconsin - though we get those 100 degree days with humidity flying off the charts, you always get ice cold water! I can't remember where I found those photos of him...it may have been JustJared, but probably not. It was a long time ago when I found them :-/

Well, I'm off. I have two assignments left to complete for driver's ed before my teacher will have no choice but to give me the password for the final exam. Oh, and to continue with the offtopicness, is anyone planning to see Katie's new movie, "The Ugly Truth"? Hopefully we'll get some cute GDT pics from the premiere

mariem201 · 07-04-2009, 07:25 AM

Thanks for all the photos. He looks so cute. Denim looks great on him.

I wonder why Shonda always dressed George in such a downy manner. It seemed lkike she wanted to uglify him.

Shonda copies stories for all characters, but yes, George got a lot of recycled stories, even his death was one.

Such a unique character deserved better.

Wow, Gwen, thanks for telling me. Well Denzel Washington sure go the last word, didn't he? He's a huge huge star now despite what the critics tried to do for him.

The fans spoke out for him.

I see the same with TR. The fans are overwhelmingly on his side, but the critics try to downplay the fans' love for George.

The one good thing in this whole mess is all the love George and TR have gotten from the fans, and the fact he took control of his own destiny and took the huge risk in leaving.

Happy 4th to my American friends!

inthesun · 07-04-2009, 08:13 AM

Lexie seemed to throw herself at George, but George didn't care or something?!? I don't get it. Why was Izzie allowed to move on but not George because she made it seem like George never got over Izzie....hence why he wasn't interested in Lexie.

drcookchick · 07-04-2009, 08:46 AM

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Thanks for all the photos. He looks so cute. Denim looks great on him.

I wonder why Shonda always dressed George in such a downy manner. It seemed lkike she wanted to uglify him.

That was a major fail on her end. I will admit though, I did like some of George's clothes. I like the double layers he'd wear in the past, and there was this knit white shirt he'd wear (from the top of my head, he wears it in "Where The Boys Are," "Scars and Souvenirs," and the eighth episode of season two). Also, the green jacket from "Scars and Souvenirs" and "My Favorite Mistake" was another favorite thing he wore on the whole show. I also like that maroon pullover he wore in "Where The Boys Are."

The flannel shirt he wore in "Great Expectations" and the purple one he wore in "The Other Side of This Life pt. 2" (elevator kiss scene) looked really nice on him, IMO. I wish they would have stuck him in more flannel; it looks really good on him. He looks like such a North/Midwesterner when he wears flannel. Also, who could deny the blue scrubs? Shame they didn't make them a bit tighter though...

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Shonda copies stories for all characters, but yes, George got a lot of recycled stories, even his death was one.

Such a unique character deserved better.

The only story I can think of at the moment that's been used before Grey's used it was the Nikolas/Emily story on General Hospital when he saw her ghost. I believe he had a brain tumor as well...

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The one good thing in this whole mess is all the love George and TR have gotten from the fans, and the fact he took control of his own destiny and took the huge risk in leaving.

It was a huge risk for him to leave, but the risk paid off. He's got two gigs within weeks of being out of his contract. He's going to go far. This is just the start...

And when he gets to the top and gets his own star on the Hollywood walk of fame, Regis Philbin will be there and will say, "See, T.R.?! I told you that you're gonna be a big star! I was right! I was right!"