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AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-02-2007, 06:53 PM

I think yhou're right in a certain level. Maybe it's not that she doesn't want to lean on him, I think mostly it's because she hasn't learned how to lean on someone who's not Lorelai, I always liked their relationship but I think they haven't learned to trust someone else besides them!

ALuv · 04-02-2007, 07:03 PM

I think she's afraid to lean on him. She's scared of being vulnerable. She's scared of being anything but the best at what she does and that means being better than him at the relationship, even though in the end, despite her efforts, it's not even close to what makes someone good at a relationship...opening up and sharing yourself is what does it...and that is something she has yet to learn how to do.

AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-02-2007, 07:17 PM

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I think she's afraid to lean on him. She's scared of being vulnerable. She's scared of being anything but the best at what she does and that means being better than him at the relationship, even though in the end, despite her efforts, it's not even close to what makes someone good at a relationship...opening up and sharing yourself is what does it...and that is something she has yet to learn how to do.

I agree! and she's learned that from Lorelai! I'm being mean to Lorelai today but I don't care!

I think she doesn't know how to handle a relationship she loves him but she's not sure how to show it...She doens't know how to lean on someone other than Lorelai, she thinks relying on Logan will make her weak!

ALuv · 04-02-2007, 07:22 PM

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I agree! and she's learned that from Lorelai! I'm being mean to Lorelai today but I don't care!

I think she doesn't know how to handle a relationship she loves him but she's not sure how to show it...She doens't know how to lean on someone other than Lorelai, she thinks relying on Logan will make her weak!

I agree that she learned it from Lorelai. Lorelai went out into the world as a 16 year old and raised a child on her own. She spent so many years having only herself to rely on to put a roof over her child's head and food in her belly, that she stopped knowing how to accept help from other people. I think Rory picked up on this. She idolizes her mother and feels that she needs to be just as independant as Lorelai was...the only thing Rory seems to forget is that Lorelai did all of that so that Rory wouldn't have to.

AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-02-2007, 07:34 PM

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I agree that she learned it from Lorelai. Lorelai went out into the world as a 16 year old and raised a child on her own. She spent so many years having only herself to rely on to put a roof over her child's head and food in her belly, that she stopped knowing how to accept help from other people. I think Rory picked up on this. She idolizes her mother and feels that she needs to be just as independant as Lorelai was...the only thing Rory seems to forget is that Lorelai did all of that so that Rory wouldn't have to.

I agree, but I think neither Lorelai realizes she's as afraid of Rory to rely on someone else, being independent doesn't work all the time, I thinkletting her going on her own persuing a career it's a very wrong message it's like saying one has to chose, women are capable of havign it all, it's hard sometimes but I think one can set our priorities straight i for example don't think having a career would make me happy if I don't have my family and someone to share my success with.

ALuv · 04-02-2007, 07:40 PM

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I agree, but I think neither Lorelai realizes she's as afraid of Rory to rely on someone else, being independent doesn't work all the time, I thinkletting her going on her own persuing a career it's a very wrong message it's like saying one has to chose, women are capable of havign it all, it's hard sometimes but I think one can set our priorities straight i for example don't think having a career would make me happy if I don't have my family and someone to share my success with.

I know what you mean. As I'm sure you've realized by now, I'm very focused on my career, and I dont' regret it, but it gets lonely sometimes. But the truth is, I can only be this focused because I know it's temporary. I'm not chosing a career over a family or friends, or falling in love, I'm just focusing on one thing at a time. The best kind of life is a well rounded life.

AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-02-2007, 07:44 PM

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I know what you mean. As I'm sure you've realized by now, I'm very focused on my career, and I dont' regret it, but it gets lonely sometimes. But the truth is, I can only be this focused because I know it's temporary. I'm not chosing a career over a family or friends, or falling in love, I'm just focusing on one thing at a time. The best kind of life is a well rounded life.

Exactly same with me, I'mfocus on me right now, figuring out what I am and who I am, but sometimes it gets lonely too, I think it's really the wrong message by saying that she's choosing a career over love, cause if they are now like she doesn't love him, that'd be unbelievable seeing as they have built a relationship so strong so far, besides the fact that we have talked about how she's not good at showing it and relying on him.

In the end they'll be showing that the characters are rather weak, and they lack of personality, and their journey for 7 years it's been in vain seeing as they haven't overcome their fears and insecurities!

ALuv · 04-02-2007, 07:59 PM

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Exactly same with me, I'mfocus on me right now, figuring out what I am and who I am, but sometimes it gets lonely too, I think it's really the wrong message by saying that she's choosing a career over love, cause if they are now like she doesn't love him, that'd be unbelievable seeing as they have built a relationship so strong so far, besides the fact that we have talked about how she's not good at showing it and relying on him.

In the end they'll be showing that the characters are rather weak, and they lack of personality, and their journey for 7 years it's been in vain seeing as they haven't overcome their fears and insecurities!

Agreed. I think that Rory chosing Logan in the end would show great strides for her character, that she is capable of lettingher guard down and really loving someone else. She has shown she's capable of it before (ie when Logan told her to ask him not to go to London and she told him she couldn't do that--she was putting his needs before her own) But those moments have been few and far between. Really opening herself up to Logan would be a huge step for her. On the other hand, leaving Logan shows that she's still putting herself before anyone else and that she really hasn't leared or grown much at all.

That being said, it's passed my bed time. Night

AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-03-2007, 12:29 AM

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Agreed. I think that Rory chosing Logan in the end would show great strides for her character, that she is capable of lettingher guard down and really loving someone else. She has shown she's capable of it before (ie when Logan told her to ask him not to go to London and she told him she couldn't do that--she was putting his needs before her own) But those moments have been few and far between. Really opening herself up to Logan would be a huge step for her. On the other hand, leaving Logan shows that she's still putting herself before anyone else and that she really hasn't leared or grown much at all.

That being said, it's passed my bed time. Night

Night Aluv!

I think I'd be better making her chose Logan, we know she's capable of being a who she wants to be I mea getting a career. Hopefully everything will turn out fine!

**Eternal Flame** · 04-03-2007, 01:21 AM

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But I also think the storylines were kinda lacking recently.

I don't think the storylines have been lacking to be honest.

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When she said the whole...thing about being into the celebration of his birthday and the miracle when the word became a world with Logan Huntzberger in it, I think in a certain way I just thought it today, that she was happy he's part of her life, like there's no life without him, I think with her one's gotta read betweenthe lines,

She is that kind of person yes.. She doesn't straight out say it..

She likes to talk her way around it, like the rant after the Bobby diner, when Logan says. 'That's one hell of way of saying that I'll miss you' or something along those lines.

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I didn't like she was all mad at him for the whole break up back in season 6, cause she didn't call either, I think she was also to blame, he didn't know how a relationship worked, and truth be told my bf doesn't call me after a fight, I think we are broken up, One tend to assume. So that's what happened.

It was a mistake on both parts, not only Logan's.

Thank you sheer!!

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Marianna mentioned the birthday hoopla, but mostly, I think that was about her reliving her own birthdays.

I didn't feel it that way.. I think Rory wanted to give him the birthdays he deserved in the past, and which he didn't get.

AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-03-2007, 01:31 AM

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I don't think the storylines have been lacking to be honest.

Maybe not so much lacking but c'mon they are young how come we didn't get bedscenes? or make out, especially since they didn't see each other than much and they'd talk...

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She is that kind of person yes.. She doesn't straight out say it.. She likes to talk her way around it, like the rant after the Bobby diner, when Logan says. 'That's one hell of way of saying that I'll miss you' or something along those lines.

I know that's what I'm saying but also she's afraid of letting her guard down, it'll make her weak in her eyes, and Lorelai's. That's what I think. She's afraid of showing her emotions and feelings..

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It was a mistake on both parts, not only Logan's.

Exactly I agree, I like Logan Iwould have assumed we were broken up. I think it's the whole thing about her being so 'perfect' that sometimes she actually believes she's not the one to blame...

**Eternal Flame** · 04-03-2007, 01:41 AM

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Maybe not so much lacking but c'mon they are young how come we didn't get bedscenes? or make out, especially since they didn't see each other than much and they'd talk...

It's not all about that.. They're much more then bed scenes.. I'm perfectly happy with the scenes we've gotten so far, so I'm not going to complain about that.

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I like Logan Iwould have assumed we were broken up. I think it's the whole thing about her being so 'perfect' that sometimes she actually believes she's not the one to blame...

I think I can also get why Logan assumed that yes.. I mean first off she didn't contact him, he didn't contact her either, so they were both to be blamed for that.
But after the fight, Logan offered to take her home and away from the bar. Most likely to talk about it, and she flat out refused that.

AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-03-2007, 01:55 AM

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It's not all about that.. They're much more then bed scenes.. I'm perfectly happy with the scenes we've gotten so far, so I'm not going to complain about that.

I'm not saying it's all about that, but LC got more smoochies than we did, but a certain and part of a relationshipis the kissing, I loved the kissing and the scens we got this season, but I'd have liked more action.

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I think I can also get why Logan assumed that yes.. I mean first off she didn't contact him, he didn't contact her either, so they were both to be blamed for that.

Exactly he assumed, and that's part of human nature I totally get why he did it!

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But after the fight, Logan offered to take her home and away from the bar. Most likely to talk about it, and she flat out refused that.

She was being really mean to him, I think I blame it on Jess!

lol no seriously he wanted to talk and she was like I'm ont ready to leave, I mean seriously she wnated to leave with him? to talk abouthings.

**Eternal Flame** · 04-03-2007, 01:59 AM

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She was being really mean to him, I think I blame it on Jess!

or Jack or whatever his name was

To quote Logan

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no seriously he wanted to talk and she was like I'm ont ready to leave, I mean seriously she wnated to leave with him? to talk abouthings.

I think that triggered it in Logan as well.. Like she brushed him off just like that, and refused to talk about it. I think that added to the thought that she no longer wanted to be with him again.

AlwaysHoldingOn · 04-03-2007, 02:11 AM

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or Jack or whatever his name was To quote Logan

I'd be like that John Doe?

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I think that triggered it in Logan as well.. Like she brushed him off just like that, and refused to talk about it

Exactly! she didn't want to talk about it! she wasn't ready there, and she was being immature..

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I think that added to the thought that she no longer wanted to be with him again.

Iknow besides also she's going out for dinner with her ex, dont get me wrong, but it's not like asking for permission but I'd like toknow if my bf remains friends with his ex, it's about sahring. For some reason he felt insecure and her attitude towards him didn't help at all, she was also being mean to him and the way he is so Ithink that's why he thought she didn't want tobe with him.