Matt Czuchry - Sophies #7 ~ He'll say hi to William and Harry for her - Page 4

Pemberley21 · 08-16-2006, 03:30 PM

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If Logan weren't there who knows what she would have done... She had to go to the party and there were boats... If she would have been at the drive in, she could have stolen a car... if they were at the pub she could have gotten herself so drunk that she would do stupid things.. Something would happen and it appeared to be a yacht...

To me it's not fair that people blame this a lot on Logan... It was Rory's choice, there was no force by Logan and he tried to talk to her about it but she declined.. Perhaps Logan thought that she needed this thrill...

Well a part of Logan can't resist the thrill myself. But even when he just asks what is wrong with her, you see Rory become defensive and a standoff-ish. In that moment, it seemed like Logan knew that trying to talk to her, and coax her into revealing what was behind her bad mood, she had to do something else. She needed to be proactive. She needed to react to something, and if anyone can understand wanting to distance themselves between bad news and the real world, it's Logan. In that moment, it seemed despite being lost and confused, hurt, and really angry, Rory knew that Logan would understand. Logan would give her this moment to act irrationally and not challenge her.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-16-2006, 09:50 PM

I do believe that Logan thought it was a thrill himself too.. but it's not like it was let's go for it.. He made an attempt to talk which Rory refused. And like you said, Logan understands that because he's probably been in similair situations himself.. When you think about it, it all makes sense in some way

Pemberley21 · 08-18-2006, 09:20 PM

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I do believe that Logan thought it was a thrill himself too.. but it's not like it was let's go for it.. He made an attempt to talk which Rory refused. And like you said, Logan understands that because he's probably been in similair situations himself.. When you think about it, it all makes sense in some way

Like I mentioned before, Rory just really needed to mess up badly. We are all humans and have the capacity to do extremely stupid things, and Rory hadn't done that. Even though she slept with Dean, she knew it was wrong, she was thinking clearly enough to know that she was making a huge choice and that he was married. He was there.

Rory has always prided herself on having her head on straight and being able to think clearly without any emotion or being swept away in the moment - which was what happened with the yacht incident.

I still think that Rory would have met a Mitchum sometime in her career - and have the wind knocked out of her, and question her choice to be a journalist. But that is the true test of someone and the strength of their dreams - to be able to shake off the criticism and be enpowered by it, to move on, and become even more determined to ensure it happened. Also I think it was good that it happened with Rory while she was still in college, and yet to start her career, journalism is one of the hardest fields and I can only imagine the pressure and demands that it takes on someone, and just the fact it is so competitive, that you always have to be fighting to find a story or being able to write enough etc. I think that she would have been totally lost if she met the type of critique that Mitchum gave her once she was working a couple of years and starting to make a name for herself, or start to climb the ladder at her job.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-19-2006, 03:53 AM

I do think it's better for Rory to have had this kind of critique now instead of 5 years later for example... It would have made her question a lot more..

At least now she was still in college, even if Journalism wasn't going to be the thing for her, she could have taken a different turn...

Pemberley21 · 08-19-2006, 12:48 PM

Also when you have been in career for so long, it becomes your life and your identity. It is always so hard to have to leave one field and start all over again in another. Plus getting this critique from Mitchum now gives her time to think and use that as firepower to work harder and it does give her time to understand what she really wants.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-19-2006, 03:34 PM

It did give her time to realise what she wants... At first she thought journalism wasn't something for her but now she realised that it's just who she is and wants to become.. I certainly think that the Mitchum critique made Rory a stronger person and a better person, knowing that struggles are there to be overcome

Pemberley21 · 08-19-2006, 04:16 PM

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It did give her time to realise what she wants... At first she thought journalism wasn't something for her but now she realised that it's just who she is and wants to become.. I certainly think that the Mitchum critique made Rory a stronger person and a better person, knowing that struggles are there to be overcome

Most importantly - it helped to really secure the belief in herself. To have Mitchum's critique of her throw her that much off balance meant that she wasn't totally secure in her own convictions. It gave her what she was truly missing - a deep and unwavering belief in herself and her abilities, and even more of a motivation to push on with her dreams. Not to say that Rory hasn't worked hard but when it comes to being in the career of her choice, she had yet to be really tested and challenged by outside forces and ideas/opinions.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-19-2006, 04:56 PM

She never had real self confidence, but 6.09 did show that IMO..
and it did get her more challenged on what to do in her life and to take matters into her own hands... This past season, Rory has definitely changed as a person, she learned how the socialite life is and realised that it's not something for her, even Logan thought that it wasn't anything for her, that it wasn't who she was

Pemberley21 · 08-20-2006, 05:32 PM

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She never had real self confidence, but 6.09 did show that IMO..
and it did get her more challenged on what to do in her life and to take matters into her own hands... This past season, Rory has definitely changed as a person, she learned how the socialite life is and realised that it's not something for her, even Logan thought that it wasn't anything for her, that it wasn't who she was

I think that she thought she did. She has always thought that she was in control and undestructable when it came to criticism and facing whatever challenge came her way. She needed to get things out of her system and she had to rebel and do the opposite of her mother. She had to do things on her own and she had to know what Logan already knew.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-21-2006, 12:22 AM

Though I'm glad that this fight happened... Rory has depended way too much on her mother.. It was time for Rory to make her own decisions, whether they were wrong or not doesn't matter.. I'm glad that she made her own decision, without the influence of her mother..

secret life · 08-22-2006, 02:22 AM

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This past season, Rory has definitely changed as a person, she learned how the socialite life is and realised that it's not something for her, even Logan thought that it wasn't anything for her, that it wasn't who she was.

Just thought I'd chime in and make your dialogue a threesome

Though in the end she realized she wanted to go back to school, I don't think she actually made a choice between a "socialite life" and Yale...what brought her back to Yale was not her all-out rejection of the socialite life, but her growing need to do something again, work again, towards realizing her dreams. That, and her feeling stifled under Emily's wing. The LMHYBRO episode really brought these issues to a head.

Likewise, her involvement in DAR and in Emily's world wasn't an indication that she was making a choice between this life and Yale...Rory was simply trying to do her best in the responsibilities that were given her at that time, whether community work or the DAR job.

My point is that I actually still see her as being pretty adept, able to hold her own, in both those worlds. Even when she went back to Yale, she still insisted that she remain a member of the DAR, and kept in touch with the ladies

So this "Emily" side of her--is maybe a legitimate part of her, something she didn't fully realize and explore until that time of her life away from Lorelai. A part of me wants her to retain this side of herself, because I think she will draw from it and use it as Logan's partner, even as she can hold her own in her journalist career.

funnyfriend · 08-22-2006, 12:29 PM

I think R&L wiil want to go against the standars of what a rich heir and his wife have to do according the society rules, if they get married.

Rory wants to work and Logan encourages her to do it, one of the reasons for loving her is that she has his own goals.

Logan doesn't want someone with good look to show in society parties, he wants someone who can offer him a good conversation, family care and support.

Rory enjoys and also has the skills to elaborate great events and parties, but she doesn't want it to be her principal activitie.

They both know they can't avoid the consequences of being into a wealthy family but will try to find a point in which they can find comfort.

in kaos · 08-24-2006, 05:59 PM

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Just thought I'd chime in and make your dialogue a threesome

Though in the end she realized she wanted to go back to school, I don't think she actually made a choice between a "socialite life" and Yale...what brought her back to Yale was not her all-out rejection of the socialite life, but her growing need to do something again, work again, towards realizing her dreams. That, and her feeling stifled under Emily's wing. The LMHYBRO episode really brought these issues to a head.

Likewise, her involvement in DAR and in Emily's world wasn't an indication that she was making a choice between this life and Yale...Rory was simply trying to do her best in the responsibilities that were given her at that time, whether community work or the DAR job.

My point is that I actually still see her as being pretty adept, able to hold her own, in both those worlds. Even when she went back to Yale, she still insisted that she remain a member of the DAR, and kept in touch with the ladies

So this "Emily" side of her--is maybe a legitimate part of her, something she didn't fully realize and explore until that time of her life away from Lorelai. A part of me wants her to retain this side of herself, because I think she will draw from it and use it as Logan's partner, even as she can hold her own in her journalist career.

I agree. It wasn't that she "rejected society life", it's because she missed school and realized that's where she should be at this point in her life that whe went back. Rory's not the "traditional socialite" but she's also not the "small town girl" some anti-RL's make her out to be. She's equally comfortable with the high life and with SH life. It's not a crime to be born ito the rich and the powerful. Tthe great thing with RL is that it's a non-issue between the 2 of them, money doesn't really figure in their relationship, it's the family responsibilities and expectations that they have to cope with and stay strong for.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-25-2006, 11:46 AM

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Tthe great thing with RL is that it's a non-issue between the 2 of them, money doesn't really figure in their relationship, it's the family responsibilities and expectations that they have to cope with and stay strong for.

their relationship is not about money at all, but about family and responsibilites.. and of course their love...

I think that Rory is a mix of Emily and Lorelai... She feels comfortable in both worlds, she enjoys both worlds.. I think she's perfectly capable of merging those two worlds as long as she does it the way she wants to

I just found something cute.. it's not new or anything but I find it adorable

secret life · 08-25-2006, 03:42 PM

Thanks for bringing that over Karen! 'Twas nice to relive the moment...yes, these two are a keeper!