Matt Czuchry - Sophies #7 ~ He'll say hi to William and Harry for her - Page 3

Pemberley21 · 08-12-2006, 09:31 AM

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it was something she could fall back into when other things were though... No matter what happened, she was always good in school... When things weren't going as smooth as she had hoped, her life fell apart... true!
You're good at analysing Pem

Thank you. I have known people like Rory who get all A's and only demand the best from themselves and usually get it but don't know how to quite deal with things when they don't turn out perfect or they are less up "to par" - their normal levels of excellence. For some people it can be quite a devastating thing.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-12-2006, 09:34 AM

Myself, I am a quick study so I get good grades.. but if I get a bad grade, I just tell myself to get over it and that you did the best you can...

Of course Rory's situation was different... I still can't believe that she let all of her decisions depend on a one man's decision... Heck, her boyfriend's father.. I don't get why she didn't try internships at other papers to see if she could improve and if she needed any improvement

Pemberley21 · 08-12-2006, 01:54 PM

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Myself, I am a quick study so I get good grades.. but if I get a bad grade, I just tell myself to get over it and that you did the best you can...

Of course Rory's situation was different... I still can't believe that she let all of her decisions depend on a one man's decision... Heck, her boyfriend's father.. I don't get why she didn't try internships at other papers to see if she could improve and if she needed any improvement

For Rory - to succeed is more precious to her because it means all of Lorelai's sacrifices weren't made in vain. I still think that Mitchum's opinion had been hard but I need to rewatch the episodes because I wonder if that was just the final straw and she had been losing faith in her abilities for a while. She wanted to hide too quickly after it happened.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-12-2006, 01:58 PM

I never felt like she was losing faith in herself before Mitchum gave his opinion... It could be that the internship, in the beginning when everything was new to her, might have confused her a little and made her wonder if she would be able to live in such a world...

Pemberley21 · 08-12-2006, 02:14 PM

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I never felt like she was losing faith in herself before Mitchum gave his opinion... It could be that the internship, in the beginning when everything was new to her, might have confused her a little and made her wonder if she would be able to live in such a world...

That's true. As reality is a lot different from what she imagined. Plus if you look at the beginnings of the show - she was going to go to Harvard and I think that she had to learn that not everything goes according to plan - good and bad. Also you need to be humbled in your profession. Journalism in particular is a fierce field and requires someone to never back down - even when things are bad - to work on the pieces that they don't want to, and just keep going. I think that Rory just thought that she would automatically would succeed.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-12-2006, 02:19 PM

I guess that's a part she has to work on, that she can't back down... Something she has done when Mitchum gave her the review and something she's also done in the past..

Pemberley21 · 08-12-2006, 09:17 PM

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I guess that's a part she has to work on, that she can't back down... Something she has done when Mitchum gave her the review and something she's also done in the past..

I think that she finally realized that belately. She knows what she wants to be but she has to make sure on her own that her dream happens. I wonder if she had the mentality of getting a internship with Mitchum Huntzberger, one of the barrons and big players in the newspaper industry, that she just assumed everything else would be a bit easier or that she was in the door and she was halfway there to being Rory Gilmore, Ace Reporter. A person can meet a hundred Mitchums but it is up to them and their grit and resolve where they will continue to find that one person who believes in their dream as much as they do..

in kaos · 08-14-2006, 05:15 PM

I think her being not up to par in Mitchum's estimation hit Rory not just on the career/professional standpoint. I think she was also insecure enough where Logan was concern that it made her wonder that if she's not a good enough journalist for Mitchum Huntzberger, then he must think she'll never be good enough for his son. Then the riot started in her mind and she just acted out majorly on ll the doubts in her head

Pemberley21 · 08-14-2006, 05:42 PM

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I think her being not up to par in Mitchum's estimation hit Rory not just on the career/professional standpoint. I think she was also insecure enough where Logan was concern that it made her wonder that if she's not a good enough journalist for Mitchum Huntzberger, then he must think she'll never be good enough for his son. Then the riot started in her mind and she just acted out majorly on ll the doubts in her head

She has always been so secure in her abilities that I don't think that she could ever handle rejection. The idea of failure never seems to cross her mind. I am not sure if Logan had that much of an impact on her insecurity. Being a journalist has always been her dream, and something that even when things were not totally right in her personal life - she always had that to fall back onto. To me, that was her anchor, and without it, she suddenly felt so isolated. It fits in with Lorelai's anger and hurt that she gets so knocked off balance. Her daughter had always been so sure of herself and her future and I am not sure if Lorelai knows how to deal with it - or accept that Rory could lose sight of her dreams.

in kaos · 08-14-2006, 06:13 PM

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She has always been so secure in her abilities that I don't think that she could ever handle rejection. The idea of failure never seems to cross her mind. I am not sure if Logan had that much of an impact on her insecurity. Being a journalist has always been her dream, and something that even when things were not totally right in her personal life - she always had that to fall back onto. To me, that was her anchor, and without it, she suddenly felt so isolated. It fits in with Lorelai's anger and hurt that she gets so knocked off balance. Her daughter had always been so sure of herself and her future and I am not sure if Lorelai knows how to deal with it - or accept that Rory could lose sight of her dreams.

Yeah, before that she was always the exalted Gilmore Girl, the angel who can do no wrong (Heck she even got away with the Dean affair with reputation relatively unscathed!), pretty much put in the pedestal by everyone who knew her. She was never really put in a position where she was at a disadvantage. Then came Mitchum who opened her eyes to the possibility that she may not be good enough out there in the real world. After all, who better to judge a journalist's aspirations other than THE Mitchum Huntberger, newspaper mogul. Compound it with the fact that she was dating the mogul's son and the Huntzbergers for some reason were obviously none too pleased with their son's choice. Rory, like Lorelai, has never been too good with taking problems head on. So she just decided to freakin' steal a yacht like all of the ish was about daring her to do her worst so they can really have something to slam her for

And what's the next rational thing to do in Gilmore land, drop out of Yale of course! And then off to the DAR to piss of her mom and prove that she can put up with the society nonsense if her life depended on it lol!

Yeah, the Gilmores are vastly entertaining to be around with when crap happens

Pemberley21 · 08-14-2006, 07:34 PM

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Yeah, before that she was always the exalted Gilmore Girl, the angel who can do no wrong (Heck she even got away with the Dean affair with reputation relatively unscathed!), pretty much put in the pedestal by everyone who knew her. She was never really put in a position where she was at a disadvantage. Then came Mitchum who opened her eyes to the possibility that she may not be good enough out there in the real world. After all, who better to judge a journalist's aspirations other than THE Mitchum Huntberger, newspaper mogul. Compound it with the fact that she was dating the mogul's son and the Huntzbergers for some reason were obviously none too pleased with their son's choice. Rory, like Lorelai, has never been too good with taking problems head on. So she just decided to freakin' steal a yacht like all of the ish was about daring her to do her worst so they can really have something to slam her for

And what's the next rational thing to do in Gilmore land, drop out of Yale of course! And then off to the DAR to piss of her mom and prove that she can put up with the society nonsense if her life depended on it lol!

Yeah, the Gilmores are vastly entertaining to be around with when crap happens

I think that Rory needed to royally mess up. It is a part of life to make some really bad choices and learn how to live with the consequences and pick yourself up again. Beside having her mother, Rory has always seem to me to be a bit of seeing the world as a me vs them thing. She loves to compete, to prove herself when challenged. But a whole on rejection by a man who is big in the field had a really bad effect on her. Mostly I think that it taught her that failure was a part of life, and it is as bad as you make it out to be. Her goals, dediation, hard work had gotten her so far and given her so much but then to realise all that isn't meaning anything had to knock the wind out of her sails. Finding fault with oneself and admitting is a really hard thing to do.

Let's face it - Rory and her mother have never been ones to think deeply about what's inside. Running, making a stupid mistake, seems like a easy fix. It also seemed like Rory's decision to steal a yacht was misguided. It was stupid. It was rash but she was fumbling for control when everything was falling away from her.

I still believe even if Logan had tried to talk her out of it and succeeded that she still would have done something even more rash. She was just so angry at the world and didn't care anymore that there was no way she would have let Logan take her back to his dorm and spend the night, watching movies.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-15-2006, 12:41 AM

I think that in the end Rory would have done something that was nothing like her... If it weren't for the same night then she would have done it the next day...

I agree that Rory lost control and her dreams were crushed so she searched for something that she had control on. F.e. stealing a boat.

Pemberley21 · 08-15-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shinystar

I think that in the end Rory would have done something that was nothing like her... If it weren't for the same night then she would have done it the next day...

I agree that Rory lost control and her dreams were crushed so she searched for something that she had control on. F.e. stealing a boat.

Mostly it was her choice. I think that she felt totally out of control and how all the choices that she thought that she had - but then she felt like Mitchum ripped those away.

Neither way, I agree Karen. Rory was going to do something very reckless and very unher. As bad as stealing a yacht was, I always believed that she would have done something ten times as worse without Logan there.

But it was an escape. Taking the yacht out to the ocean was her way of puttiing the major distance between herself and the world. Like her problems and faults would just disappear and everything would go back to normal.

**Eternal Flame** · 08-15-2006, 09:35 PM

If Logan weren't there who knows what she would have done... She had to go to the party and there were boats... If she would have been at the drive in, she could have stolen a car... if they were at the pub she could have gotten herself so drunk that she would do stupid things.. Something would happen and it appeared to be a yacht...

To me it's not fair that people blame this a lot on Logan... It was Rory's choice, there was no force by Logan and he tried to talk to her about it but she declined.. Perhaps Logan thought that she needed this thrill...

funnyfriend · 08-16-2006, 12:58 PM

Rory'S world totally changed when she went to collage, till then she was secure about her abilities in journalism in part because the people that surrounded her was always admiring her supposed maturity and her discipline.

When she found Mitchum bringing her dreams down she got lost because he was a media mogul and not the townies or the family who always was saying how great she was.

Many people that hate Logan use to say that he was the cause of Rory quitting college, but the real thing is that because of Logan she contacted Mitchum, who as a considence was a media mogul.

In this meeting she was told something she had never heard "she hadn't skills to be a jounalist", in the begining this bring her down but later she grow up (as a professional) and decided to show how wrong he was.