[True Daisy lover]

Yeah he was comedian, a cagefighter, all the nine yards lol

[CreekFreak]

Snap your fingers, NEW PERSONALITY!

[True Daisy lover]

Well thats what happen when the love of your dies in your arms, it leaves a tramatic experience on you ... where you have multi personality disorders for life

[baggirl]

Little did I know that Marissa was being written to the mercy of Ryan since day one.

This description makes me sad. Because it's true. It was so unfair that Ryan was never written to be in the wrong even when he WAS.

Marissa's "letter" was created so Ryan could move on faster than humanly possible with his dependent stalker.

On one hand, I want to think the writers had to have a contrived letter for Ryan to move on because they KNEW the weight of the RM relationship in the show and so they needed the letter as a plot device to show Ryan's closure because of the letter.... and because so that Ryan wouldn't come off as the cold-hearted, ungrateful SOB that he WAS because he grieved for his girfriend for 3 eps.

then on the other hand, it's frustrating that it's written at the expense of Marissa again! I'm supposed to believe Marissa would write him a letter. If she were to have written a letter, it should say 'F-K YOU I WISH I NEVER MET YOU'

And yet I remain a RM fan lol at least up till 303

[True Daisy lover]

See, I dont even see why they even bothered with a letter. She said what she had to say in the model home of 325. Ryan understood why she was leaving none of that needed to be worded in aletter. They both had their closure up to that point. Its main goal was pretty much tell the remaining RM fans ******* U and move on.

[baggirl]

Not to mention Ryan had actually already moved on by Ep 5 , not the ep which the chrismukkah was . So to show Ryan moving on because of the letter was redundant.

Crap, you're right it was more to screw us over one last time! Damn it, I wanted to be able to hang on to ANYTHING to make it less painful lol

[True Daisy lover]

Originally Posted by baggirl (View Post) Not to mention Ryan had actually already moved on by Ep 5 , not the ep which the chrismukkah was . So to show Ryan moving on because of the letter was redundant. Crap, you're right it was more to screw us over one last time! Damn it, I wanted to be able to hang on to ANYTHING to make it less painful lol

See that is the point.

When you lose somebody that you have loved for the past 3 yrs of your life and you already screwed up by having people walk out of your life as it is and suddenly the one person that is suppose to be that person for you suddenly dies tragically and you WATCH them stop breathing, that is not exactly suppose to motivate you to go ******* someone. That is suppose to tell you, that you had a Tramatic experience and yeah you can move on all you want to. But you will have some struggles with it, because that person gave you purpose in life, that person gave your live more meaning before you can even understand it. That person taught you that you wanted to be a better person and hat this person is gone, everything that person taught you should come into question because that person is gone and that is where the struggle should of stemed from period. Not ****ing a groundhog wearign stalker.!!!

[baggirl]

Word! If they were to at least showed Ryan STRUGGLING to move on, I would have made peace with him eventually moving on.

But, there was NO struggle! It was a walk in the park for Ryan!

Ryan's not real. He's some kind of cyborg from S3 onwards.

My ideal was for Ryan to be single the whole of S4, STRUGGLING to move on... and perhaps in the finale, he goes to college and meets someone who reminds him of Marissa. And maybe the girl will say 'Who are you' and Ryan replies whoever you want me to be.

Because I've just always wanted to watch RM in college. I just never thought it would happen, that I wouldn't get that.

It was so lame they ended the show years later when they are with jobs. the show is a teen drama and it would be a beautiful bookend that they end the series with them in college.

[True Daisy lover]

But they couldnt have Ryan struggle, that wouldnt be "in character" but they can go ahead say it was "in character for Marissa to die lol

S1 Ryan simply would of regressed to the point where he would be in major depression if he lost Marissa then, I cant even describle how he would be would be because it would of tied in to who he was in S1 PERIOD. The grieving process would of been a hell alot of more realistic if they were going from that S1 character of Ryan. But since they have messed Ryan's character and alter his character after s1, none of what he does or say forward on to S4 would make any sense. Beacuse believe me I honestly dotn see Ryan from S1 JUST moving on so quickly, and I highly doubt that eh would even lay eyes on Taylor simply because if stayed true to character, Ryan wouldnt have trust no one after loosing Marissa period, he would compleltely shut down hell I see him leaving the cohens and back to chino more so then him cagefighting so, leat that is why none of what Ryan grieve for in S4 REALLY was just out of the ballpark.

[CreekFreak]

Ryan moved on from 401. LOL. I'm sorry, even when he was going all CAGE FIGHTER, he never MISSED Marissa. He felt guilty. Once he got revenge on Volchok, he was fine and dandy, as if all he needed to do was catch him and then he'd be ~fine~ in life. Ryan never expressed missing Marissa in his life, and never mentioned a void from her absence. It was never about HER. It was about his guilt. Guilt does not equal love.

And it took him TWO seconds to randomly fall for Taylor Trash. Who in their right MIND falls in love as quickly as Ryan did with his randoms? I mean, my God. They turned him into this unfeeling robot. Taylor didn't "save" him or "change" him; she turned him into a weird, cracked out, over the top version of himself.

[True Daisy lover]

He had splitl personality Jess. Go with that lol

[CreekFreak]

Even with a spilt personality, he never had a GOOD side. What an atrocity of a character. I maintain that Ryan died and S4 was his hell.

[True Daisy lover]

Originally Posted by CreekFreak (View Post) Even with a spilt personality, he never had a GOOD side. What an atrocity of a character. I maintain that Ryan died and S4 was his hell.

LMAO. Ryan died somewhere between end of S1 lol and you right S4 was his hell lol

[CreekFreak]

The Ring. Or Saw 4!

[mjgchick]

Originally Posted by True Daisy lover (View Post) First of all. Ryan and Marissa was capable of talking about and dealing with life and their struggles. Posh Schwartz claims that... 1. Ryan and Marissa was never capable of talking?What the*** then what the hell do you have them talking besides the pool in the outsider, talking about Marissa's non existing dog, or Ryan stuff animal? Ryan sat there and asked her how she was dealing with stuff and she said honestly what she felt. Too bad posh didnt decided to use this concept and stretch it out for the next 2 seasons for them. 2.Ryan and Marissa couldnt make it work.Sure, they couldnt make it work, when you have the same repetivie BS looking down on them and not having them actually deal with it. You spent more time making them into adults and having them deal with adults issues that you never gave them the chance to actually be 17/18 yrs old these are heavy issues that of course they are going to have trouble dealing with but I guess you have to be like 12 yrs old in order to shoot someone in the back and then dont deal with the emotional fall out from that. .

If Ryan and Marissa were just about sex then I'm sorry I wouldn't ship them then and since RM were not about sex because how long did it actually took them to make love to each other 3 seasons dude lol so we all know they did allot of talking what the **** ever Josh. And I kind of hope his new shows get canned too