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Old 07-01-2020, 02:35 AM
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Which made it worse
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Kirsten was like, the only one who could make me feel bad for Ryan near the end, lol.
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Yes, definitely by mid to late S3, that was true, lol. I wanted Ryan to peace out after the S2 finale mess.
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I know, lol
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Like "Okay, done with this bitch byeeeeeeeeee". She was heinous.
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Old 07-04-2020, 02:03 AM
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Can't remember if she improves in S4, lol
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Old 07-04-2020, 04:26 PM
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I don't think I heard one way or the other. I mostly heard about the "Ryan's father and Julie" nightmare.
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That storyline was awful

Loved that Sandy punched Ryan's dad though
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Old 07-05-2020, 05:40 PM
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The one line I heard that I never got over was Ryan implying that abandonment is worse than physical abuse, which is just...Josh needed Jesus for that crap.
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He really did
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As a child of an abusive father, I almost can't even voice how offensive I find that. If ONLY my father had chosen to peace out instead of what he did. IF ONLY. (don't get me wrong, abandoning your child is bad - beating the **** out of them is worse)
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Old 07-06-2020, 04:54 PM
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Not surprised Mark didn't write anything like that
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Old 07-07-2020, 04:29 PM
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Mark was weird about parenting. Peyton's father definitely got to a point where he probably needed to be charged with neglect, lol, but it wasn't really acknowledged? But only Dan was overtly abusive, and after S1 it was mostly aimed at Lucas.
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Agreed, lol

That's why I would have really tempted to have killed him off in Larry instead of Ellie, since the show used him really poorly after S1.
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