Veronica Mars Movie #6: She thought she was out but they pulled her back in
 

Thanks for the new thread :)

It's funny, she was so against being brought back into the fold back in season two. But I think it's different in the movie. I don't think she came back for Logan, though he's a part of it.

But I he's not even in town for the first six months that she's there. And he probably doesn't live in Neptune, I'm guessing he lives off base. And I'm guessing he's station in San Diego somewhere. San Diego is like a forty minute drive with good traffic from Neptune?

She loves being a PI, the trill, the chase, the adrenaline of getting the bad guy. Of bringing justice to those that are wronged. Though I kinda wish she had passed the bar in CA and been a lawyer for the little guys of Neptune. She would have never been happy working a corporate lawyer job. Getting rid of frivolous lawsuits would have made her miserable. I could see a case coming along that gets to her. That she couldn't drop and she could never could stop when she was got the bite of something. There is no doubt that she would be great at it, but it's not where her passion is. And I do think that a few years down the line, she would have just been going through the motions.

She doesn't want to disappoint Keith, Wallace, and Mac. But she can't live her life for them and I think she's done with that. Though I worry about her with all the school loan debt she must have and with Keith's medical bills and his long road to recovery. I'm sure Mars Investigation will always have cases courtesy of RT. But perhaps it might be a good idea to let Logan help out a tiny bit. She came out to help him as a favor to an old friend. He could pay her for saving his bacon and finding Carrie's killer.

Cherrios: good points in the last thread, I agree wtiht them all, and I like your explanations for Trina and for how Mac and Wallace and Keith reacted to Veronica coming home and her feelings for Logan. I agree, they DID see everything go down and so they know his effect on her....i never thought about it....

and trina, I think i thought maybe she had another adopted mom but im not sure why i abandoned that thought....Ill think about it and tell you if I remember!

ANyways, the fanfic that you gave the link for? AMAZING!!! def one of my favorites!! I felt like I was reading the actual story! I wish the book had had more of that kind of stuff...it was so hard not seeing more of V and L's interactions and seeing all the skype conversations that they did have interrupted or black out....

i wish she hd passed the bar just so she could do SOME law along with her PI work in Cali...

Tftnt!

They saw it all and I think a part of them doesn't understand how these two can keep coming back to each other. And another part knows that it will always be Logan and Veronica.

Trina is the product of an affair with a one time student and a teacher who then became the Principal at Neptune. He was then fired and Clemmons got the job. This is pure speculation on my part. But I think after Trina was given up for adoption. That Aaron and his first wife, who wanted to fill their lives with a baby adopted Trina. Maybe Aaron's first wife couldn't have kids, or maybe she wanted a child to distract herself from the cheating, abusive, psychotic Aaron. Like Lynn did with pills and booze. I think Aaron's first wife was happy when Aaron left her, I'm guessing for Lynn. And probably never painted Aaron in a bad light to Trina for fear of loosing custody or to keep the money coming in.

Oh I'm so glad you like it, I'm going crazy waiting for the next chapter. The author left it on such a spot where it needs some resolve.

I wish we saw more of this in the book too. It shows so much of where they are now personality and mental wise. And it covers a lot of where they were over those nine years. And it helps iron out a lot of the issues that took them down the first time.

im so scared we will only get one more book and then thats it!!!:(:(:(

Well we will just have to keep up the demand. Let RT and others know that two books are not enough to sustain our love for Veronica Mars.

AMEN sista!!!:nod:


one thing I wanted to ask was: why do some people think Duncan raped veronica? I was thinking about this....thoughts?

She was under the influence and couldn't give consent to sex. Though someone pointed out once that Duncan was alsp under the influence so he couldn't give consent either. Considering consent does go both ways. They kinda took advantage of each other in a way. I think the problem that most people have with that moment. Neither of them were able to think properly being under alcohol and drugs. And their feelings and nature took over.

One, Duncan just left her there the next morning by herself. Yes, he thought she was his half-sister. But no one likes or should wake up without their underwear without any explanation. He could have save them both a load of pain and issues if he had stayed. I know he was a teenage boy, but I think Veronica would have rather the fear of sleeping with her ex/maybe half-brother than waking up alone thinking she was raped. (Which she was in a way and also by Cassidy)

And two when she showed up at his door step crying and falling apart. His first reaction is to turn in on to her. To make it all about him and how horrible it is that they can't be together. Making Veronica even more emotionally upset. She leaves in tears after Duncan's temper tantrum. This is one of the major reasons I could never root for them in season two.

Though I never liked that how they had Cassidy rape her, which seems thrown in at the end of season two. I don't doubt he did, considering he himself had been sexually abused at the hands of Woody. And that has messed with him so much that sex was so distorted for him. That he couldn't bring himself to perform with Mac who he genuinely cared for. I think Veronica lying there unconscious, made him feel powerful after so long being the victim. And something evil sprang forth and he took advantage of that. He then rapes her with the door open? I have no doubt that he threw up afterwards, that boy was very damaged. And I think all of it, probably made him sick to his stomach.

But the writing is off, from what I remember, it's been a while since I've watch it. So they are telling us that Veronica is put in the empty room to save her from the salt lick. Dick and Cassidy go into the room because Dick thinks it's time that Cassidy loose his virginity and drug Veronica is the way to go. Cassidy then tells Veronica he left her there untouched. Later I think it was Carrie sees Duncan in the room with Veronica having sex. So Dick leaves Cassidy alone with Veronica, Cassidy rapes her and then puts her underwear back on. Considering how damaged and sexually messed up Cassidy was, I'm guessing the sex was very short. He leaves the room, shortly abefore Duncan comes in to check on her and she wakes up to Duncan softly touching her. But didn't wake up to Cassidy raping her? They then start to get heated and Duncan takes off her undies leaving them on the floor. For Veronica to find the next day alone.

It's just badly written in my opinion. Everything with Cassidy is just thrown in at the end of season two. To what make him even more a villain than he already is? Blowing up a bus of innocent people, killing the guy who helped him do it, and then blowing up a plane full of people. Yeah sure, lets just tackle on rapist as well.

And then I don't remember in season three Veronica ever talking about her experiences at all, except for a small moment with Mac and then with Parker. It was just badly handled.

So I have a question about the movie. Something I never thought of until now. I have read several fanfics that consider the time of the movie to be set in the year 2016. Since it's time for their ten year high school reunion and it's been nine years since Logan and Veronica have seen each other. Did RT and crew switch the timeline of Lilly's murder earlier in the beginning so the year of their reunion would be 2014? Or are they just pretending it's been long enough and the year is 2014? Or did the movie take place in 2016? I don't think I could find any dates shown in the movie to show what year it is. Anyone know because now I'm really curious.

I remember reading somewhere that the date was 2016. I read this prob in one of the early news articles giving the plot in June or May. this would have been an obvious thing to have cleared up because fans would have to know it was the 10 year reunion and they graduated in 2006.

about Cassidy, ya the timing is totally screwed up, but all the errors with this show arent too obvious unless you really think about them, which is good because I HATE when they are glaringly obvious.

thanks for the explanation about the rape...it cleared up the other side of the opinions for me :)

It makes sense that it's 2016, I guess it's been so long and I forgot the dates. I just assumed it was 2014. Though I wonder if one of the reasons they had it be nine years. Is so that Logan and Veronica could both be advance in their fields. Her years at Standford and then at Columbia is a lot of work and a long time to get through it all. And for him to get where he is in the Navy, it would have been a good few years of work too. Also the high school reunion is the easiest way to cram as many cameos as possible. And Neptune could become even more of a corrupt dark town than when we last saw it.

I don't think it's badly written but I get where you're coming from. I kind of wish Cassidy was just broken and not evil. There's more motive behind everything he did aside from the rape.

No matter how it happened, whether Cassidy raped Veronica first or Duncan slept with her first. it is very sick and repelling. I wish the aftermath of her finding out was dealt with more thoroughly.

I agree. They could have dealt with it better

Yeah there were so many storylines from the first two seasons they just glazed over in season three. Sometimes I really hate the CW.

:wave: hellooo !!! ohhh i've missed so much in these past days. So many interesting comments to comment :P and an awesome fanfic to read !!! :D :D

so regarding this:

For me, the fact that he was abused is what makes him so eager to be in a true and loved relationship. The need of true love. He knew from the beginning his feelings were true. The only love he has felt was from his mother (with its lackings I must say, because a mother that sits on the side while watching your husband kicking your son mmm :nono: ).

About Cassidy and the rape:
It was so out of the blue that it didn't make sense to me when that is unveiled in S2. i don't think there was necessary to make him a rapist. I mean he was already a mass murderer. Why the rape??

About Duncan leaving Veronica alone the morning after:
Didn't like that at all. That's why I enjoyed when Logan invites anybody who doesn't like Veronica to leave his home and Duncan's face abruptly changes. That's the moment when Duncan knows that 'It's real' :evil_laugh:
And then, why is he so pissed off if he , at that point, was believing Veronica was his half sister. eh eh ?? :lol:

I know there's so much more to comment ... I'll be back !! have to read some fanfic now :P

oh !! TFTNT :D

I just finished watching it and I loved it!
I feel like this would set up a new season so perfectly! Everything i've ever wanted has fallen into place. I would love another movie, but another season is really what I crave.

I think what I like most about Logan is the movie is how far he came with growing up into a strong, confident, and self-reliant man. He's been on his own for so long and yet he still craves human companionship and human connection. I think he truly did love Carrie, but he couldn't watch her destroy herself over and over. I'm sure he tried to get her help, but after his mother I just don't think he could go through that again. Because you can help someone to a point, they have to want to change and accept the help.

I do wonder what caused the downward spiral. We know that she loved Susan greatly and hated herself for what her and the rest did. But she's been carrying the secret for years, Logan says their first year was happy and in love. So the second year, what was the trigger that cause her to want to punish herself so badly? The anniversary of Susan's death, did Susan's child from high school reach out to find it's mother? Did she run into Mr. Rooks somewhere and he stirred up feelings about Susan and Susan's death? Because the clip they show, it's clear that Carrie and Logan did care for each other and were happy.

I think Logan does blame himself for Carrie, that he wasn't able to save her. But not to the extent he used to back with Lilly and Lynn. He's learned to control his anger better. I don't think he just started randomly punching at the reunion. I think he went over to Shelly demanding she turn off the video. One of the meathead boyfriend said something rude or got aggressive. And with everything else going on, Logan just snapped. He's grieving, being accused of killing the woman he loved, having conflicted feelings about being around Veronica again. And now this was the last straw and the angry want to fight the whole world Logan resurfaced.

Logan's mother was a sad, broken person, you cant save anyone when you are broken like she was.
people stand aside in families with abuse and let things happen ALL THE TIME. I am sad to say that I actually know someone who's family turns a blind eye to abuse within it. it is SO COMMON.

I read in one of the fanfics that in it Logan says he downward spiralled after Veronica left neptune. Does anyone think this may have happened? i choose to think it didnt, he was confident and alive again when in the cafeteria in 3x20. Like he had rediscovered himself, even though he knew he couldnt get Veronica back, he was proud and he had come around. i actually see this as his revival point.
I choose to prefer to think logan may have been sad and disappointed when she left, but resigned. i kind f felt he MAY have thought it for the best and realized he was no good for her (hence his apology to Piz..it was almost acquiescence)

i read somewhere that Logan craves attention and valiation from others, thats why he is such a flirt with girls (season 3 for example, veronica's jealousy, weevils suspicion of him talking to a girl).

about Carrie's spiral, perhaps her success? Somtimes people work for something but when they get it feel they dont deserve it? everything seems perfect but thats when the inner demons come out. Im not going to bother myself about it though, sometimes even we dont know the subtle changes that bring upon the psychological changes within us.

I agree with you about the reunion fight, i didnt like it anyways though because it was rather hot headed of him.

I assumed Carrie's spiral had everything to do with what happened on the boat. He said everything was good the first year.

I agree with you. I choose to believe Logan picked up his life at that point. I love how he always defends Veronica though. Even when he beat up Piz you know he just can't stand anyone messing with Veronica. whether he's dating her or not he stands up for her. I will say this, I wish veronica broke up with Piz rather than the other way around in the movie. I wanted her to be honest with herself and him but instead she was just off the hook.

Yeah the boat was a few years earlier, since then she went on and became Bonnie Deville and became a big pop star. And then she met Logan and was really happy and in love. What popped up that suddenly changed all that? That had her descent into drugs, booze, and *shudder* sex with Sean?

Maybe being around Logan and seeing him get his life together. And see how far he's come made her think of her own failures? I'm not saying it's Logan's fault, but it can be hard when your with someone and you see yourself as the one unworthy of their love and affection. Maybe she wanted to come clean, but couldn't and that's why she was punishing herself for what had happen? Carrie loved Susan like Veronica loved Lilly, it was killing her slowly what happen to Susan and not getting her justice.

I really would like to see Logan talk more about Carrie in the books.

Is the book worth buying? I'm considering

Well I don't know if this helps. But I love the book, there were some daily stuff I found lacking. But the mystery was pretty good and lots of Keith, Wallace, and Mac. And even some Weevil, not enough Logan. It just felt really good to hear the characters again.

BUY THE BOOK!!!!
no veronica mars fan should be without! lots of interesting things happen!

as for Carrie, she may have had some good years, and other bad years where her guilt ate more at her conscience. i get the feeling her success as a celeb may have added to her spiral.