cherrios

Yeah there were so many storylines from the first two seasons they just glazed over in season three. Sometimes I really hate the CW.

vecastone

hellooo !!! ohhh i've missed so much in these past days. So many interesting comments to comment and an awesome fanfic to read !!!

so regarding this:

For me, the fact that he was abused is what makes him so eager to be in a true and loved relationship. The need of true love. He knew from the beginning his feelings were true. The only love he has felt was from his mother (with its lackings I must say, because a mother that sits on the side while watching your husband kicking your son mmm ).

About Cassidy and the rape:
It was so out of the blue that it didn't make sense to me when that is unveiled in S2. i don't think there was necessary to make him a rapist. I mean he was already a mass murderer. Why the rape??

About Duncan leaving Veronica alone the morning after:
Didn't like that at all. That's why I enjoyed when Logan invites anybody who doesn't like Veronica to leave his home and Duncan's face abruptly changes. That's the moment when Duncan knows that 'It's real' :evil_laugh:
And then, why is he so pissed off if he , at that point, was believing Veronica was his half sister. eh eh ??

I know there's so much more to comment ... I'll be back !! have to read some fanfic now

oh !! TFTNT

Jp10ah

I just finished watching it and I loved it!
I feel like this would set up a new season so perfectly! Everything i've ever wanted has fallen into place. I would love another movie, but another season is really what I crave.

cherrios

I think what I like most about Logan is the movie is how far he came with growing up into a strong, confident, and self-reliant man. He's been on his own for so long and yet he still craves human companionship and human connection. I think he truly did love Carrie, but he couldn't watch her destroy herself over and over. I'm sure he tried to get her help, but after his mother I just don't think he could go through that again. Because you can help someone to a point, they have to want to change and accept the help.

I do wonder what caused the downward spiral. We know that she loved Susan greatly and hated herself for what her and the rest did. But she's been carrying the secret for years, Logan says their first year was happy and in love. So the second year, what was the trigger that cause her to want to punish herself so badly? The anniversary of Susan's death, did Susan's child from high school reach out to find it's mother? Did she run into Mr. Rooks somewhere and he stirred up feelings about Susan and Susan's death? Because the clip they show, it's clear that Carrie and Logan did care for each other and were happy.

I think Logan does blame himself for Carrie, that he wasn't able to save her. But not to the extent he used to back with Lilly and Lynn. He's learned to control his anger better. I don't think he just started randomly punching at the reunion. I think he went over to Shelly demanding she turn off the video. One of the meathead boyfriend said something rude or got aggressive. And with everything else going on, Logan just snapped. He's grieving, being accused of killing the woman he loved, having conflicted feelings about being around Veronica again. And now this was the last straw and the angry want to fight the whole world Logan resurfaced.

AmidalaEmma

Logan's mother was a sad, broken person, you cant save anyone when you are broken like she was.
people stand aside in families with abuse and let things happen ALL THE TIME. I am sad to say that I actually know someone who's family turns a blind eye to abuse within it. it is SO COMMON.

I read in one of the fanfics that in it Logan says he downward spiralled after Veronica left neptune. Does anyone think this may have happened? i choose to think it didnt, he was confident and alive again when in the cafeteria in 3x20. Like he had rediscovered himself, even though he knew he couldnt get Veronica back, he was proud and he had come around. i actually see this as his revival point.
I choose to prefer to think logan may have been sad and disappointed when she left, but resigned. i kind f felt he MAY have thought it for the best and realized he was no good for her (hence his apology to Piz..it was almost acquiescence)

i read somewhere that Logan craves attention and valiation from others, thats why he is such a flirt with girls (season 3 for example, veronica's jealousy, weevils suspicion of him talking to a girl).

about Carrie's spiral, perhaps her success? Somtimes people work for something but when they get it feel they dont deserve it? everything seems perfect but thats when the inner demons come out. Im not going to bother myself about it though, sometimes even we dont know the subtle changes that bring upon the psychological changes within us.

I agree with you about the reunion fight, i didnt like it anyways though because it was rather hot headed of him.

Jp10ah

I assumed Carrie's spiral had everything to do with what happened on the boat. He said everything was good the first year.

I agree with you. I choose to believe Logan picked up his life at that point. I love how he always defends Veronica though. Even when he beat up Piz you know he just can't stand anyone messing with Veronica. whether he's dating her or not he stands up for her. I will say this, I wish veronica broke up with Piz rather than the other way around in the movie. I wanted her to be honest with herself and him but instead she was just off the hook.

cherrios

Yeah the boat was a few years earlier, since then she went on and became Bonnie Deville and became a big pop star. And then she met Logan and was really happy and in love. What popped up that suddenly changed all that? That had her descent into drugs, booze, and *shudder* sex with Sean?

Maybe being around Logan and seeing him get his life together. And see how far he's come made her think of her own failures? I'm not saying it's Logan's fault, but it can be hard when your with someone and you see yourself as the one unworthy of their love and affection. Maybe she wanted to come clean, but couldn't and that's why she was punishing herself for what had happen? Carrie loved Susan like Veronica loved Lilly, it was killing her slowly what happen to Susan and not getting her justice.

I really would like to see Logan talk more about Carrie in the books.

Jp10ah

Is the book worth buying? I'm considering

cherrios

Well I don't know if this helps. But I love the book, there were some daily stuff I found lacking. But the mystery was pretty good and lots of Keith, Wallace, and Mac. And even some Weevil, not enough Logan. It just felt really good to hear the characters again.

AmidalaEmma

BUY THE BOOK!!!!
no veronica mars fan should be without! lots of interesting things happen!

as for Carrie, she may have had some good years, and other bad years where her guilt ate more at her conscience. i get the feeling her success as a celeb may have added to her spiral.

Jp10ah

Without spoiling anything, how much Logan are we talking?

ChristinaL80

Logan is actually in two small scenes in the book, but is mentioned throughout the narrative. I liked the book overall.

Jp10ah

Thanks

eternalfate

I gotta be honest, this is not going against a certain fanbase or anything but I believe people believe what they want to believe, like some fans erase other things that happened that night. Everybody at Neptune High was horrible to Veronica that night,

I'll give my detailed view on things, Logan and... I forgot the other person got the GHB from Mexico and brought it to Shelly Pomroy's party, Dick put it in one drink, passed it to Madison, who disgustingly spit in the drink and handled it to Veronica who drank it and that's when all help broke loose. In Veronica's drunken state, a lot of people took advantage of her and was playing around with her, and it seems Veronica kissed a few people... so she was just known as a '****' during that day, and even Logan wasn't any better, putting some drink in her mouth... I don't remember correctly but I know Logan apologized about it in the present. Duncan seeing what everybody was doing, ran to Veronica and helped her and took her away from those guys.

BUT before Duncan leaves, Logan spikes Duncan drink with the same drug that Veronica had... that GHB... for some reason, people seem to think that Duncan was completely in his right mind when he slept with Veronica that night... and if you watched that scene, before they sleep together, they seem to flirt with one another and Veronica is happy he's there and Duncan is happy and they just do it... Duncan mistake was leaving Veronica when he woke up... that's where the whole Cassidy raping Veronica confusing me. lol or did Cassidy have sex with Veronica first?... either way it makes no sense, Duncan brought Veronica to the room, left. AND then came back to sleep and then wake up? I never got that whole thing.


SO me personally, I believe both Veronica and Duncan were under the same drugs and if they weren't, then that night would've never happened. Most of those pathetic Neptune Night School Kids [especially Madison/Dick... and a little bit of Logan for drugging Duncan] are responsible.

Dick ... if people can love him for basically leaving hell gates open by telling his brother Cassidy to take advantage of a drugged unconscious Veronica... you can't tell me anything about Duncan who was under the same drug Veronica was under.

Jp10ah

I find this subject so sensitive and i'm going to just say, I don't want anyone to be offended by my thought process. I'm just spewing out what I was thinking while rewatching the series with a new outlook. I've been chewed out so many times for speaking my mind about sensitive topics such as this and I just want to say, I mean no disrespect whatsoever I just have some thoughts on the topic.

I believe they all hold responsibility in some way and it's hard to blame one person. I'm curious though, did Dick really convince Cassidy to have his way with Veronica or was that a scenario that could have happened? I know there's a scene with him doing it but did it actually happen? I can't remember exactly how it played out. I don't want to sound like i'm sticking up for Dick at all but I wonder if he was kind of just teasing Cassidy because he knew he would never do it anyway. Again, I don't want to defend any of these guys but the intention seemed to be that they wanted everyone to have a good time. Veronica assumed it was a roofie but it wasn't. It was a drug given to her without her consent and something bad happened. Everyone there contributed to what happened to Veronica.

Thinking back, I don't think the writers would write that the same way. It's upsetting because Dick is that lovable character now, when he used to be one of the worst. But i suppose that's kind of the theme of the show. Everyone is broken in some way and everyone has a dark past.