Veronica Mars - LoVe (Logan & Veronica)#21: Because LoVe will conquer all. - Page 5

FAIT_Accompli · 05-11-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jujubee

The thing is, in many ways, he doesn't deserve her either. They both royally screwed up on more than one occasion. So I don't think all the blame should be in her court. (I know, difficult to remember after this epi.)

I can understand it from that point too, I really can.

But one has to ask one's self, how long can you live in the past before it starts to effect the future?

I'm not saying Logan has entirely redeemed himself. I still don't think that'll be complete until we hear an apology for the way he treated Veronica at the beginning of the season. But I don't think anyone can argue that Logan has grown, and that there has been some redemption. We haven't seen any hostility from him at all towards Veronica until this episode. And it wasn't so much hostility as it was him being hurt, yet again.

We all saw how he was at the end. He's on the edge right now. Learning his father killed Lilly? It won't surprise me at all if that pushes him over completely next season.

louloucn · 05-11-2005, 12:22 AM

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The thing is, in many ways, he doesn't deserve her either. They both royally screwed up on more than one occasion. So I don't think all the blame should be in her court. (I know, difficult to remember after this epi.)

You're right. They've got trust issues up the wazoo but man it's going to be interesting to see them build themselves up again, practically starting from scratch. At least there's a lot of material that KB and JD will work with. I'd just rather these two figure out a way to make it work rather than see D/V awkwardly try to be what they used to be...gosh, the whole thing just doesn't move me at all...they were so damn cutesy, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Veronica and Logan are just so screwed up but they fit, in whatever capacity they are in. They touch and it's electric.

Cindy

FAIT_Accompli · 05-11-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by louloucn

they were so damn cutesy, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Veronica and Logan are just so screwed up but they fit, in whatever capacity they are in. They touch and it's electric.

Cindy

I think I could have looked past the whole being cutesy part. The thing that still gets me is that Duncan went ahead and slept with Veronica thinking he was her brother, and not telling her.

But uh, that's not the point of discussion for this thread, so ... there's no need to respond to it.

Veronica and Logan work because Kristen and Jason have this electrifying chemistry. And quite frankly, I find their dynamic to be far more interesting, and their problems far more realistic as well. I definitely can't wait to see what happens next, next season.

*just_her* · 05-11-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FAIT_Accompli

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I still don't think that'll be complete until we hear an apology for the way he treated Veronica at the beginning of the season.

See I'm not really needing an apology from Logan. Actions speak louder then words and to me, Logans actions toward Veronica have already said that he's sorry. The whole 'I don't want to hurt you' thing last ep was enough for me. In real life (or at least for me) people don't tend to give some big apology after a fight or whatever..(for example one my my best friends and myself got into such a huge fight one time we had to be broken a part at school and taken to the office, we stayed pissed at each other for a while but slowly we both got over it, neither of us ever came out with a big 'i'm sorry' we both just kinda accepted it and moved on.. I know she's sorry about what happened and so am I.)

But thats just me...

louloucn · 05-11-2005, 12:33 AM

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Veronica and Logan work because Kristen and Jason have this electrifying chemistry. And quite frankly, I find their dynamic to be far more interesting, and their problems far more realistic as well. I definitely can't wait to see what happens next, next season.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Their dynamic just helps bring the show up to another level. And the fact that they have so many issues to square off between them, gah, it's going to be a long summer to wait to see Logan's face again. How do you forgive someone who keeps selling you out time and time again even though you love them? How do you learn to trust someone who has tormented you for so long but now you sort of love?

D/V suited each other when she was wearing those cute outfits with the long hair and she looked like a fairy, sweetie pie girl. The vindictive, independent, broken Veronica is not the girl that Duncan loved. Duncan is still holding onto an illusion. I just want D/V to have closure once and for all so that we can get onto better things cuz there's got to be more for Teddy to do. Something that will make me cheer for him like I did last week. I think we need the return of the beard. At least as a start.

Cindy

jujubee · 05-11-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by louloucn

D/V suited each other when she was wearing those cute outfits with the long hair and she looked like a fairy, sweetie pie girl. The vindictive, independent, broken Veronica is not the girl that Duncan loved. Duncan is still holding onto an illusion.

Just look who he's with now. Or was with. Meg has the whole long hair, virginal look going for her, just like V did. Obviously Meg is some sort of replacement for V, but he wants the old V, not the new one.

CarolineOrphee · 05-11-2005, 01:07 AM

Hello

Well i still haven't seen the episode: I cannot find teh torrent anywhere!!! Arrrghhhh....

Anyway still haven't read anything about it.... Hope I will be able to resist till I find it. he he... harder than I thought.

Hope you all liked the episode!

Vera · 05-11-2005, 02:35 AM

Yeah I 'm desperatly waiting too... but I'm heartbroken already, after all these news... I cannot be optimistic right now regarding Logan and Veronica ( I can't stand to write LoVe ), it all seems so desperate!!!!

SydneySummers · 05-11-2005, 03:23 AM

~*Last night after we finished the ep the first thing I said was "It's Wallace at the door." There is no way it could be anyone else. Duncan is too wrapped up in his parents stuff and Logan is getting the crap beat out of him.
They really ripped Logan apart in this ep.Veronica broke his heart and I wonder if he will be able to forgive her. Will Logan be back in jerk mode when we return? I will be really mad if that's the case. We went through too much with this character to see him back to square one. I do think that next year Logan will be on the outside. After all it will be known that his father killed Lilly. I don't think he will remain Mr.Popular. He has soooo much to go through now. Will he forgive Veronica for treating him the way she did? For never trusting him?Can he get passed the fact that she put his father in prison? I know he hates his father but abused kids also have a very odd love for their parents as well.

This is gonna be one hard summer until the spoilers come out and you can bet I will be jumping on them!

Rejecting Reality · 05-11-2005, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolineOrphee

Hello

Well i still haven't seen the episode: I cannot find teh torrent anywhere!!! Arrrghhhh....

Anyway still haven't read anything about it.... Hope I will be able to resist till I find it. he he... harder than I thought.

Hope you all liked the episode!

I'm in the same boat, anyone has found the torrent?

(if anyone has found it, please pm me, 'cause i don't want to read this board till i've seen the ep. Thanks!)

I haven't reat anything either, but i don't think i'll resit till I can d/l it.

Jay · 05-11-2005, 04:11 AM

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I'm still holding out it's Logan. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Rachel

same here.

Vera · 05-11-2005, 04:53 AM

Torrent Is Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Starfield_Scribe · 05-11-2005, 05:05 AM

Geez, you guys move fast!

Looks like I need to play therapist again

We have to think poositive!! If we want to make it through the suuummer...

Okay, now I'm DEFINITELY gonna be trying to get a move on with this fic of mine and you can bet I'll do everything in my power to make it LoVe and realistically LoVe (it's complicated with the plot I have in mind... well, you'll see soon enough

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Vera · 05-11-2005, 05:10 AM

Hey my favorite therapist.....Gooooo ooooon I need you to!!!!!!!!!!

KIT · 05-11-2005, 06:25 AM

I still in shock, my friend was here to watch with me even though she doesn’t really watch the show and even she was like “No effing way”

I’m so upset, this episode totally rocked but I’m still heart broken. After Logan the last person I wanted it to be was Aaron, yeah he’s psychotic like Veronica said but I love him to bits. The Logan/Aaron dynamic was perfect and now we’ve lost that forever. Frankly, I’m glad Logan left his cell in the car cause if he would have answered and Veronica told him what happen…me being him would have sooooo jump.

Lilly…..I loved her all damn season and now I hate her with the fire of a dozen suns, cheating is crappy enough, Logan could be a dick but it is obvious he loved her, and he only kissed that other girl when they were fight/breaking up. To sleep with Weevil was bad enough but Logan’s own father? That way passed messed up, making her death her own fault by reason of utter stupidity. She had to have known Aaron beats Logan, it’s obvious Duncan knew so of course Lilly knew too. Knowing that she hooks up with a very violent man and then baits and taunts him? It was the whole you play with fire you’re going to get burned. Her death is the result of her being incapable of showing discretion.

I think it would have had a bigger impact if Duncan did turn out to be V brother, but the Keith/Veronica scene was so sweet that I can live with it.

As for LoVe and the door, I can’t love this pairing any more then I already do, they are simply amazing. I was so sure Logan was going to say “Rip out throat huh? Well that’s fine since you already ripped out my heart” or something to that affect. I think Back-up has become my favorite character,

Good dog, very good dog. LoVe is going to be wonderful next year, I not even worried.

Now the door, it’s Wallace. If Logan knows by now, he’s not going near Veronica he’s to busy having the little he has in his life blown to kingdom come, not to mention there’s a chance that he’s getting the snot beaten out of him. It’s not Duncan cause…hello they just caught the real killer and wasn’t his father also arrested for obstruction of justice? Yeah I think he’s a bit busy too. It’s Wallace, old friend says good-bye, new friend comes in, he’s the only one she doesn’t have conflict that she would smile at like that.

Okay I’m done with my rambling the only other thought I have is I hope Lianne has a slow and painful death or at the very least never returns. Worst. Mother. EVER.