[lancer1993]

Maybe Scott was more important?

IMO it was more down to ASP demanding too much, compared to Scott. And I think a lot of the "hold out" was just normal Hollywood practice and not him playing hard ball. I also think something similar happened with LG and AB, they demanded too much maybe not rally wanting to do S8 and the studio/CW didn't want to pay for a 8 ep season, which really can someone tell be the last time a show went from 22 to 8 ep when it's a relatively good hit, by CW standards.

[crazyboutscott]

Deborah.. that question has driven me crazy for a while too.

[Cappuccino]

I 100% agree with you, lancer! It was a big mistake they all made letting Lauren have so much say! I cannot believe they let her do that. She is obviously no great writer! She may be a great actress but she should not try to branch out too much!

Giving her the producer credit for her advice and help sure was not a wise decision. Someone who doesn't even watch her own show shouldn't help with the storyline.

They were all stupid in the end. Thinking the deadbeat would get more viewers in front of the tv. I bet they thought Oh hey he is way younger than Scott, better looking (not for me though ) and I bet he attracts the younger audience.

I think they prolonged the whole lorpey show because they thought they would get the 8th season for sure. I don't know who fed them wrong information or whatever but they for sure don't know how to listen to people (fans and critics alike) or care for the fans who stayed with them for so long and thought things would change for the better.

[Elissa5]

With all the bad decisions the network and Lauren and even Dave Rosenthal made about the 7th Season, I don't think anyone doubted that Lorelai would end up with Luke at the end. And I cannot imagine they would think that the audience would go more for DS than SP because he was younger, and I certainly cannot imagine people thinking overall that DS was better looking than SP. I mean, I am sure there are individuals out there who think so, I mean, looks are so relative and everyone has their own opinion. But I don't think a group of random people could get together and say that DS is better looking than SP. And I doubt anyone in their right mind would say that DS has half the sex appeal that SP does.

[Joannathe1]

Originally Posted by Elissa5 (View Post) With all the bad decisions the network and Lauren and even Dave Rosenthal made about the 7th Season, I don't think anyone doubted that Lorelai would end up with Luke at the end. And I cannot imagine they would think that the audience would go more for DS than SP because he was younger, and I certainly cannot imagine people thinking overall that DS was better looking than SP. I mean, I am sure there are individuals out there who think so, I mean, looks are so relative and everyone has their own opinion. But I don't think a group of random people could get together and say that DS is better looking than SP. And I doubt anyone in their right mind would say that DS has half the sex appeal that SP does.

I dare anyone to put any actor in Hollywood in a backward baseball cap, unfit jeans and flannel and still have women drooling for him and the we can talk about who is better looking.

I don't know who fed them wrong information or whatever but they for sure don't know how to listen to people (fans and critics alike) or care for the fans who stayed with them for so long and thought things would change for the better.

Did anyone, or was it thier big headedness or were they so sure of themselves. Give us any nonsense and well grobbled it up?

[Cappuccino]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. A young network who wants to attract a young audience doesn't usually go and get almost 50 year olds even if they don't look like it.

But even if they thought like that they totally miscalculated there too since the ratings among 18-34 (or where they draw the line) women went up when DS wasn't around anymore.

[pinkpaisley]

Originally Posted by Elissa5 (View Post) With all the bad decisions the network and Lauren and even Dave Rosenthal made about the 7th Season, I don't think anyone doubted that Lorelai would end up with Luke at the end. And I cannot imagine they would think that the audience would go more for DS than SP because he was younger, and I certainly cannot imagine people thinking overall that DS was better looking than SP. I mean, I am sure there are individuals out there who think so, I mean, looks are so relative and everyone has their own opinion. But I don't think a group of random people could get together and say that DS is better looking than SP. And I doubt anyone in their right mind would say that DS has half the sex appeal that SP does.

I completely agree.

We can go on and on about the decisions that were made, but we can also choose to let go.

[Elissa5]

Originally Posted by pinkpaisley (View Post) I completely agree. We can go on and on about the decisions that were made, but we can also choose to let go.

I cannot let go until I get a decent L&L ending! I have no doubt that we will get something - whether it is a movie or a miniseries, we definitely will get a our ending!

But, I understand what you mean, Yvonne, we can let go for now and change the subject.

[WandaRose]

I think giving LG a producer credit was one of the best things that happened in season 7. It is only when she started to have a bit of control that we got a version of normal Lorelai back. She knew early on that her character had lost its true voice. I believe we were told she used to email Amy and complain about how things were going in the new season. Also, it was Lauren who chose I Will Always Love You instead of Fernando. It was Lauren's idea to have Lorelai sing at all. And had Lauren not asked for a rewrite or two in the finale, who knows what kind of finale we would have gotten. There wouldn't have been any closure with any of the characters and Luke and Lorelai may not have even reunited. We'll never know, but I'm thankful that Lauren was allowed to have some say. She, along with the rest of the cast, are the ones who knew the most about the show, knew the most about the characters, in Season 7. And, as far as I can remember, Dawn Ostroff made it very clear at a press conference that things were going to change in the 2nd half of the season. I don't think they were pushing for anything.

Elissa5, can you be more specific with where you are getting your information? I mean no disrespect at all, but you've seem to have acquired a source very randomly.

I hope Lauren does get to produce and/or direct in the future. She's a smart lady. And I think it's unfair to blame LG for bad mistakes in Season 7, when DR was in the one in control. He had final say in everything.

[SPA]

I remember reading in an article about Scott some time way back, that when he was studying acting in NYC, he was not a member of the Actor's Studio but was asked to help direct a play, which he did and had a lot of fun doing it. I also recall Sassy saying that Scott told her that he once had a play (or more) that he either wrote and/or directed, actually performed before an audience. I don't know where this play was opened, but he has some accomplishments behind the camera as well as in front of it. And to think of it, didn't Alexis say that she was interested in directing as well? There seems to be talent in all different areas. I for one, would love to see a play/show where Scott directs and/or produces. I have done a little research and have found an Australian director who has Scott's name as well. It's not our Scott's works (alas). I also purchased an Agency Photo of Scott from eBay which also gave me a dossier of his works at that time. It also mentions his directorial works with the Actor's Studio. So maybe there might be directing opportunities for Scott in the future?

[Elissa5]

There was NO one place where I found this info. This is stuff that I have read for months and months. I formed my opinions and compiled my facts form many different places - including interviews with cast members and the Palladinos. There are quite a few websites and forums dedicated to "Gilmore Girls". Gilmorefan.com, which does not exist much anymore was one of the places. I really don't think anything I have been saying is so novel. Other people have acknowledged these facts on different sites.

From what I heard, Lauren did not pick "I Will Always Love You." That was Jennie Snyder. But it was Lauren who had the idea for the serenade. I will grant you that was a positive contribution that she made. I could be wrong and you could be right, this is just what I have heard.

I do have to say that I disagree with you about Lauren having her voice back in Season 7. For most of Season 7, her character seemed quite off. IMO, her character was more off-course in Season 7 than it ever was in Season 6. That is just my opinion.

[WandaRose]

I said that after Lauren was given a producer credit is when Lorelai's voice came back. In my opinion, it did.

I'm basing my information on everything that cast has said as well. I'm not big on "he said, she said." Lauren said herself that she picked I Will Always Love You. She said herself that it was her idea to use that song and sing. I don't think Lauren would lie about that, considering she also said that Jennie Snyder was one of her favorite Gilmore writers. Also, Lauren said she never tried to give DS the upper hand simply because they were friends, even though that is what many want to believe.

I guess it's possible to spin what people say to shine in whatever light you like, but in my opinion it's unfair to place blame on Lauren Graham for the faults of season 7 when we obviously do not know the whole story.

Anyway, this isn't news related so I will move on now. Sorry for the disruption.

[Joannathe1]

Originally Posted by WandaRose (View Post) when DR was in the one in control. He had final say in everything.

I'm sorry... did it look like he was in control of anything?

The one time I saw him with that tv thing was going on at the start of S7... he looks like he was hiding behind LG & AB.

[scooterjo2004]

Originally Posted by Joannathe1 (View Post) I'm sorry... did it look like he was in control of anything?

[lancer1993]

Originally Posted by WandaRose (View Post) I think giving LG a producer credit was one of the best things that happened in season 7. It is only when she started to have a bit of control that we got a version of normal Lorelai back. She knew early on that her character had lost its true voice. I believe we were told she used to email Amy and complain about how things were going in the new season. Also, it was Lauren who chose I Will Always Love You instead of Fernando. It was Lauren's idea to have Lorelai sing at all. And had Lauren not asked for a rewrite or two in the finale, who knows what kind of finale we would have gotten. There wouldn't have been any closure with any of the characters and Luke and Lorelai may not have even reunited. We'll never know, but I'm thankful that Lauren was allowed to have some say. She, along with the rest of the cast, are the ones who knew the most about the show, knew the most about the characters, in Season 7. And, as far as I can remember, Dawn Ostroff made it very clear at a press conference that things were going to change in the 2nd half of the season. I don't think they were pushing for anything.

All very good points and yes she did a great job towards the end of the season, but I just have to wonder who's choice it was to take the C&L SL so far as to have them marry, was it just DSR in some sick, "this is not bad news for L&L" come on she married the one person Luke hates in this would the one person who (in his mind) took away his chance of happiness with Lorelai. Or did Lauren have any influence on that SL? Or was it left over instructions from ASP and some how she was still in control behind the scenes?

Sorry for all the of topicness.