rossfangirl86

TWIT is the episode that NP shippers talked about all the time back in the day. The Hil/James chemistry was pretty sparkly in that episode.

stlavin95

Yeah, their chemistry that episode was great.

Slayerette89

It was. Them and L/H are the only things I rewatch from that ep.

He did.

And ugh, that whole narrative. Makes me wanna dig up the rant thread. Though I'm sure I've mentioned how much I hate the "bad" boy changed through the wuv of a "good" girl trope there 8547589374875485748 times already, lol. Haley deserved better.

stlavin95

Some of the Jake/Nikki stuff was kinda interesting. Feels weird saying that lol

Summer Falls

Ohh ok true well i did love hayley and nathan but their personalities kind of died together season one hayley pre nathan was so good she was so bad ass and smart than she turned intk a mother (befoee she had kids ) nathan i never really had an issue with him but it would of been nice if he kept his bad boy antics as well

stlavin95

They definitely became boring characters after they got married.

rossfangirl86

Is it sad that I just realized we're on the Peyton thread and not the NP one? I mean I knew it when I clicked on it but the discussion was very NP-esque to me that I forgot where I was.

stlavin95

Haha Our discussion is centered around NP at the moment

Slayerette89

Same thing happened to me yesterday.

It's just so that Mark (and gazillion other writers and fans) thinks a woman needs to waste her time and energy on fixing Nathan-esque men. Fix yourself, dude.

I also really hated how Haley started being more of conformist (not that she was ever too non-conforming, can't have that on a dumb teen drama) after she started dating him. Of course every teen girl deep down loves make up and cheerleading and will eventually "grow" into realizing it

Yes. But Nathan wasn't that interesting to begin with either

stlavin95

Maybe he was just interesting compared to the later seasons

rossfangirl86

If you guys could rewrite Peyton's s1 storyline, what would you have done with her character?

stlavin95

Probably more stuff with THUD and her not trying so hard to get Brooke's friendship after the first couple of episodes after the cheating came out. You?

Slayerette89

More THUD stuff would be awesome. I'd cut BP off in the first few eps of the show though. Round the time she got rid of her toxic relationship with Nathan, she should have gotten rid of her toxic friendship with Brooke too. Needless to say, I'd also erase Jenny/Jake garbage.

stlavin95

I can understand about BP, but her and Nathan stopped being toxic the second they broke up.

rossfangirl86

My thing about BP is they kind of wrote Brooke as a random cheerleader that didn't really get Peyton. Then suddenly they had been bff's all their lives. That was weird. Obviously I would've strengthened PH's friendship and drew out the LP angst longer after 1x07 without the triangle stuff. More with THUD and more with her dad. Maybe even show some of her memories of Anna and more scenes with Whitey (I liked their stuff in 1x05). And obviously no JP stuff, that was really random too.