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Old 02-24-2011, 05:34 PM
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As far as Holly J and Fiona, this show is infamous for misleading, dramatic promos but at least Fiona is given her own storylines without it being about Holly J all the time unlike Sav where whatever is going on is never really about him even when it could be and I don't see that changing. I do think that in many ways that Holly J is TPTB's new version of Paige but, I think that the big difference now is that Paige wasn't the only senior that began when she was younger that was developed and given storylines because Anya and Sav were never given much to do and so they both still come across as awkwardly written after thoughts. This whole storyline is really a disservice to Holly J because she isn't allowed to work on being a better friend or work on getting ready for school post "Degrassi" and this storyline is also a disservice to Sav as well because he's not allowed to do anything for or by himself, it's all about Holly J all the time who doesn't have to do much to reinforce everything that is wrong or wasn't done with Sav and his character and storylines.

I can't support a couple where it's all about one person and the other person is just an after thought. I think part of Holly J did want to be with Declan and I think she didn't want to thought of as someone who cheated on their boyfriend because her reputation is important to her but that has more to do with her than anything that has to do with Sav but, I don't think she's ever shown are real remorse for anything she's done to Sav or Anya and I think that the whole storyline with Sav is so forced and it is so obvious that TPTB and the writers are focused anywhere but on this storyline and this awkward couple. The remorse I saw from Holly J was so forced and storyline dictated that it never seemed geunine or real to me on any level. Let's be honest Holly J and Sav didn't have to be written this awkwardly but, they stick out like a sore thumb in comparison to the other couples and their storylines who actually get development and storylines. I also don't think Sav and Holly J can work on being a better brother and friend as a couple, that's something that has to happen with the two of them separately.
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Old 02-25-2011, 06:36 PM
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So that's what Sav blows up on Alli about? Sav is kind of right, but that's still kind of a jerky thing to say.
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Old 02-25-2011, 06:41 PM
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Alli needs to tell Sav she was almost raped by Owen. That'd make him be less bitchy at Alli, I'd hope. OWEN NEEDS TO BE IN PRISON. Damnit. Not just did he throw Adam through glass, but he was planning to rape Alli, if Drew hadn't come in time (Other than being nice to Adam and helping Alli avert being raped, Drew isn't that great...).

Holland Fan Forever: Dude, they weren't boyfriend/girlfriend until Halo after they got into that argument/lalala. So, Holly J had no reason to feel guilty AT ALL. They were friends with benefits, without the benefits (no sex), though I'm sure they came reaaally close - look at All Falls Down - the Lady In Red TVTrope. Sure, it was ****ty (but not bad?), but LL was not ****ty.

Minor irk: I always wondered what the HELL TPTB meant, but then after reading through the word salad, I realized what it meant. THE POWERS THAT BE. Jesus?
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:15 PM
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Alli needs to tell Sav she was almost raped by Owen. That'd make him be less bitchy at Alli, I'd hope. OWEN NEEDS TO BE IN PRISON. Damnit. Not just did he throw Adam through glass, but he was planning to rape Alli, if Drew hadn't come in time (Other than being nice to Adam and helping Alli avert being raped, Drew isn't that great...).

Holland Fan Forever: Dude, they weren't boyfriend/girlfriend until Halo after they got into that argument/lalala. So, Holly J had no reason to feel guilty AT ALL. They were friends with benefits, without the benefits (no sex), though I'm sure they came reaaally close - look at All Falls Down - the Lady In Red TVTrope. Sure, it was ****ty (but not bad?), but LL was not ****ty.

Minor irk: I always wondered what the HELL TPTB meant, but then after reading through the word salad, I realized what it meant. THE POWERS THAT BE. Jesus?
I think it might be a little different for Holly J and Sav if after finding out how Sav felt about her Holly J didn't just ask to start over which to me showed again that she's ignoring his feelings. I don't know anyone who would go out with someone who spread a false rumor about them but to me Sav has to put up with Holly J and whatever she does because otherwise he really would be left without much to do and to me he is already irrelevant in this storyline. Holly J was never the least bit remorseful about spreading the fake pregnancy rumor and once again she never thought about how Sav might feel. Thank you for helping us with our thread.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:22 PM
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I'm more pissed at Sav for not being more concerned, instead of the 'lol mistake sex!?' ...God, he was a retard in that episode. They just need to have another episode with Sav and Sav. Holly J is about to be with Fifi . Then they'll be the HBIC couple~
Sav can babysit Fiona and Holly J's kids (which will come from a sperm donor - but Fifi would make it so it's Declan's and not tell Holly J). You know, if you disregard LL, then it'd be like a big happy orgy. Holly J would be the one carrying the kid/s in the stomach and Fiona would be the 'man', even if she's way too gorgeous to be a man, gdi.

That'd be better than a Sav/HJ marriage. I AGREE.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:25 PM
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Hey there regiusachan You sure you feel comfortable posting in this thread with us? You're welcome to vent of course just remember that we might say things about Savvy J that you won't like, since you're a fan
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:36 PM
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Hey there regiusachan You sure you feel comfortable posting in this thread with us? You're welcome to vent of course just remember that we might say things about Savvy J that you won't like, since you're a fan
Yeah. Hi, there!
I agree with a few points. Yes, I've been lurking this thread - against my better judgment (but I lack any good judgment, so there you go). Sav doesn't have any other purpose besides being a boyfriend or comic relief or Alli's brother. And yeah, Holly J has a lot more screen-presence than Sav. Fiona also has the same quality as Holly J/Declan/anyone else(?), so, that's why Holly J and Fiona would be a dream come true (and my outer-bisexual side would enjoy it).
Sav is cute, but not pretty. I dunno. Declan had prettiness/presence, then he screwed it all up by being a creep. Ah, well, Fiona still has a chance at Holly J, at least.

Then if Declan returns, we can see him angst over his sister being with his ex-girlfriend. That'd be awesome..and show more of Landon's acting skills. I don't know if Sav'd really care. He'd probably be dead or something.

Confession: I NEVER thought I'd like Sav/Holly J, either, so, there you go. If I wanted them to get married and the whole-nine, I might be more offended by this thread, but since I don't want them married, it's whatever to me. HELLO, THERE.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:38 PM
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When Sav asked Holly J if she slept with Declan she basically went along with that. She said it was a "mistake", and I think that Sav just believed her because she didn't say anything that explicitly implied it wasn't her choice. So when she called it a "mistake", I think he was just assuming that she was using it as an excuse for cheating on him, because people sometimes say that when they cheat, you know? Like, "Oh baby, I'm so sorry! It was just a mistake! It'll never happen again!" And people say that when they sleep with someone else by choice. I'm not saying that HJ cheated, but I think the reason Sav wasn't concerned was because his mind didn't jump to rape, considering it probably never even crossed his mind that Declan would do something like that. Sav wasn't there, so...

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Yeah, you're pretty brave, reguisachan. I would never go into the Anti-Eclare thread. I wouldn't be able to take the things they were saying without getting upset.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:53 PM
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I just loved how Sav just simply found out that Holly J slept with Declan never asked any questions or anything else about that and simply took her back and oh, yes, let's not forget Sav was the one who apologized it wasn't Holly J. I think that Holly J slept with Declan but she called it a "mistake" to not have to deal with the fact that she cheated on Sav and Sav was already at a disadvantage to begin with because he has to forgive Holly J for whatever she does or doesn't do because otherwise he really would have no real storyline or point on screen. I think that there was simply miscommunication and a misunderstanding between Holly J and Declan and that he would never hurt Holly J intentionally but that even if he wasn't with Holly J I still think Declan's character is interesting on his own without Holly J and or Fiona and that TPTB would write for him but, for whatever reason that has never materialized on screen for Sav.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:03 PM
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I just loved how Sav just simply found out that Holly J slept with Declan never asked any questions or anything else about that and simply took her back and oh, yes, let's not forget Sav was the one who apologized it wasn't Holly J. I think that Holly J slept with Declan but she called it a "mistake" to not have to deal with the fact that she cheated on Sav and Sav was already at a disadvantage to begin with because he has to forgive Holly J for whatever she does or doesn't do because otherwise he really would have no real storyline or point on screen. I think that there was simply miscommunication and a misunderstanding between Holly J and Declan and that he would never hurt Holly J intentionally but that even if he wasn't with Holly J I still think Declan's character is interesting on his own without Holly J and or Fiona and that TPTB would write for him but, for whatever reason that has never materialized on screen for Sav.
Forgetting LL, Sav isn't pretty. Declan is. Problem solved for why they don't have Sav's character filled out yet. Actually, we don't know much about Declan at all. We know more about his ex-girlfriend and Fiona, his sister, more than we know about him. So...yeah. Sav and Declan aren't filled out. But Sav couldn't be, he's not pretty/hot like Declan.

Plus Sav has to be the Butt-Monkey as TVTropes says. He's probably gonna commit suicide once Holly J runs off to Fiona. If not, yeah, he'll be baby-sitting for money, since he can't play music for crap and he can't keep a woman around because he can't get the balls to tell his parents to stop controlling what he does with his life - in romance/love and school/college/career.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:07 PM
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Plus Sav has to be the Butt-Monkey as TVTropes says. He's probably gonna commit suicide once Holly J runs off to Fiona. If not, yeah, he'll be baby-sitting for money, since he can't play music for crap and he can't keep a woman around because he can't get the balls to tell his parents to stop controlling what he does with his life - in romance/love and school/college/career.
I like Sav as a person. He's a nice guy, but seriously, this is so true.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:21 PM
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I like Sav as a person. He's a nice guy, but seriously, this is so true.
He'd be equally screwed if he was gay. His parents would kill him. I don't know if that'd be literal or figuratively, but they don't like their kids dating any sex. And their daughter has a big-ass record at school, so, yeah, one more problem with their kids (a lot of Degrassi parents don't accept their kids as anything but hetero, but the Bhandaris don't even want Sav to have a girlfriend, unless she's Muslim - and don't want Allia dating at all, since, you know, "she's younger and also *gasp!* a girl"), and they'll lose it completely.

Just imagine Sav trying to sneak Holly J over to his house. Alli and Holly J would get into a fight (sue me, I'm going back to the old days of bitch Holly J and Alli), then the parents would blame Sav. ...Lol.
Sav is a nice guy. But if there had to be a death in the Season or upcoming Season, I really believe it'd be either Sav or Alli. Look at how much her mom didn't believe Alli when she claimed she was not smoking that cigarette. It's gonna end really badly.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:28 PM
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Forgetting LL, Sav isn't pretty. Declan is. Problem solved for why they don't have Sav's character filled out yet. Actually, we don't know much about Declan at all. We know more about his ex-girlfriend and Fiona, his sister, more than we know about him. So...yeah. Sav and Declan aren't filled out. But Sav couldn't be, he's not pretty/hot like Declan.

Plus Sav has to be the Butt-Monkey as TVTropes says. He's probably gonna commit suicide once Holly J runs off to Fiona. If not, yeah, he'll be baby-sitting for money, since he can't play music for crap and he can't keep a woman around because he can't get the balls to tell his parents to stop controlling what he does with his life - in romance/love and school/college/career.
I don't think that TPTB and the writers have ever cared all that much for Sav and he's been on the show for twice as long as Declan has been and TPTB gave him storylines and some development none of which was done for Sav and to me it's different when someone isn't on the show much and not being developed but Sav certainly could've been given something constructive to do before now and he's barely on screen Holly J or no Holly J. Declan doesn't need Holly J to get screen time and attention but Sav needs Holly J or Alli in order to get any screen time. I think that if Landon were available more this season that Declan would've been given screen time and storylines, Sav is on the other hand written like an an after thought. This show for whatever reason doesn't do much with its seniors regardless of who they are and what they've done previously but with Sav it's worse than that because he was never really given anything to do even when he was younger and it has got to be awkward to see all of these younger kids regardless of what someone may think of them get storylines and character development all Sav has gotten are dead end relationship storylines.

The writers and TPTB don't let Alli do a lot either but, she at least gets to make choices and is given storylines where it's actually about her and this current storyline with Alli and Sav will end up being all about Alli in the end. I think that if Sav couldn't get more screen time when Fitz, Bianca, Zane and Riley etc. weren't on screen much before that I thought that it was highly unlikely that Sav was going to get more screen time when all of these people are and will return in some capacity. I think that the writers and TPTB gave up on Sav's character a long time ago.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:47 PM
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I'm saying though that Sav is like Declan. We don't know who the hell they are/what their goals are. One's rich (trololol), has a twin sister, probably popped more than a few cherries in his days before Degrassi and travels the world. The other guy is Muslim, has a sister, doesn't do anything hardly, is a Butt-Monkey.
Sure, we know Declan is rich and he's gonna obviously get into whatever damn college he wants to. MONEY TALKS. Sav isn't rich, his parents hate him (okay, not really, but they're always telling him what to do), and he can't live on his own. Sav is FOREVER ALONE. At least Declan wouldn't have to go pay some ugly hooker to be with (who may or may not have some STD), cause he's got the cash to pay for a high-class escort. Declan doesn't need bitches. DEAL WITH IT.
Only thing is...Declan could get away with anything (It's all political, baby, and money, of course), whereas Sav could not. That is why Sav is The Butt-Monkey and Nice Guy. Declan is not The Butt-Monkey. The only conflict he's had is when he was going to leave Degrassi/leave Holly J and his sister being all crazy. Declan is boring (with girls). Sav is boring (with girls). But Declan can get anyone to be with - Sav cannot. That is the difference.

I'm calling the Sav suicide storyline right now. He has nobody. "I AIN'T GOT NOBOOOODY. NOBODY CARES ABOUT MEEEE I'M SO SAD AND LONELY!" Thanks, David Lee Roth.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:59 PM
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With Sav we already know before anything happens exactly what we will get from him with no drama or any suspense involved. Declan can and does get people talking regardless of it being positive or negative. I think that no matter who he was trying to date that we would be seeing the same type of storyline with few if any changes but, I don't think Holly J or anyone should have to suffer because Sav was never given any real character development,
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