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Old 02-08-2011, 11:41 AM
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We saw both Eclare and Fadam become friends; we didn't see Holly j and Sav make amends after the whole fake-pregnancy fiasco. We've seen Eclare spending some time together before some bigger feelings were introduced and how they've changed. We've seen the moment when Adam felt like Fiona could be the girl for him and her realising that she wouldn't mind a relationship with that special boy. We saw that they interacted with each other from that. We didn't get to see that in the case of Holly J and Sav. Now, you can like or dislike Eclare or Fadam but you can't deny that they did get a proper build up. Sav and Holly J getting together reminded me more of the way it happened to Peter/Mia and Spinner/Emma. Not to mention I completely missed the moment when he fell in love with her. Was it during the episode when they got together? No? When she stripped perhaps? While he stood uncomfortable on the stage watching Declan hug Holly J? I know it was when she was ignoring him! Seriously, that are all of the scenes I can recall with them.
I think the fact that they didn't really talk about the fake pregnancy is the thing that bothered me the most.

But other than that, I think it can be sometimes debated when exactly two characters "fall for each other".

With Fadam it was obvious that they were interested in each other when they were talking on the steps outside the school, at least to me. And they hung out during the food drive and in class and we'll probably get some more of that in In Too Deep.

With Eclare, it was clear to me that they first started liking each other when they skipped class and edited their essays. And they had other scenes after that in other episodes where we got to see their budding friendship. I mean, they already liked each other before they became good friends, but during the time they were hanging out we could see that those feelings were growing.

I mean, with Sav and Holly J, we got the one scene where they bond over student council. They talk about having a dance. Fiona mentioned that they'd been spending a lot of time on student council together, but we never get to see it after that, save a few brief scenes before they're kissing in the next episode. The moment it became clear to me that Sav had a crush on Holly J was the scene when he talks to her in the hallway and Fiona points out that he seems to like her, but we never see that with Holly J. They did make his behavior out to be pretty obvious. But it was news to me that she would even return his feelings. It was only when she kissed him at Above the Dot that I got we were supposed to think that she liked him back.

Not everyone are friends with each other before they date. Sometimes someone sparks your interest and you go out with them to get to know them. That's fine. The problem is, we never see Sav and Holly J actually developing as a couple by dealing with conflicts or getting to know each other outside of student council. We get brief scenes with them "having fun".

I definitely think that the reason Sav and Holly J don't get screen time is a combination of the writers not liking them as much as other couples, and also the fact that they seem to not know that the hell to do with them.

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I think the fact that they didn't really talk about the fake pregnancy is the thing that bothered me the most.

But other than that, I think it can be sometimes debated when exactly two characters "fall for each other".

With Fadam it was obvious that they were interested in each other when they were talking on the steps outside the school, at least to me. And they hung out during the food drive and in class and we'll probably get some more of that in In Too Deep.

With Eclare, it was clear to me that they first started liking each other when they skipped class and edited their essays. And they had other scenes after that in other episodes where we got to see their budding friendship. I mean, they already liked each other before they became good friends, but during the time they were hanging out we could see that those feelings were growing.

I mean, with Sav and Holly J, we got the one scene where they bond over student council. They talk about having a dance. Fiona mentioned that they'd been spending a lot of time on student council together, but we never get to see it after that, save a few brief scenes before they're kissing in the next episode. The moment it became clear to me that Sav had a crush on Holly J was the scene when he talks to her in the hallway and Fiona points out that he seems to like her, but we never see that with Holly J. They did make his behavior out to be pretty obvious. But it was news to me that she would even return his feelings. It was only when she kissed him at Above the Dot that I got we were supposed to think that she liked him back.

Not everyone are friends with each other before they date. Sometimes someone sparks your interest and you go out with them to get to know them. That's fine. The problem is, we never see Sav and Holly J actually developing as a couple by dealing with conflicts or getting to know each other outside of student council. We get brief scenes with them "having fun".

I definitely think that the reason Sav and Holly J don't get screen time is a combination of the writers not liking them as much as other couples, and also the fact that they seem to not know that the hell to do with them.
The thing is Holly J already knows through Anya what kind of guy Sav is. He's nice to a point but in reality he has no backbone and she took advantage of that when she expected him to forgive her for sleeping with Declan. I think that this goes back to the writers and the powers that be simply just never giving Sav anything constructive to do besides dating someone. Holly J does not need Sav or this storyline just to get screen time but it's not that way for Sav who without the relationship would have even less to do and what he's doing right now is not much to speak of in my opinion. It was never an issue of what to do with Holly J to me it was always the issue of what to do with Sav and because the writers and the powers that be didn't care to do much with him over the last three years that the fact that Sav is still written poorly isn't surprising because to me they gave up on Sav's character and his storylines long before now and this storyline and the complete lack of it just reinforces that point. These two don't look like they are "having fun" and there's no indication that much of anything is going on between them good or bad period and since there are no actual problems or issues that they ever deal with that to me easily explains why they get so little screen time and adding in the fact that they are seniors is just one more reason to put them in the background because this show generally speaking doesn't do much with its seniors regardless of who they are and how popular that they may be with viewers. I also can't help but notice that the other current ships include either two underclassmen or a senior and underclassmen and so I think being two seniors is just another thing being held against Holly J and Sav which given that Sav is involved isn't surprising because TPTB and the writers seem to go out of the way to make sure whatever may be going on is not actually about Sav and his character development in my opinion.
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Old 02-08-2011, 04:42 PM
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What i hated bout Halo is how fast Sav and Jenna took back Holly J and Kc... they both treated them like ****.. Holly J didn't really care about Sav and ditched him the second Declan came around. KC told her to get an abortion... come on! i get KC wasn't ready to be a dad, but i believe Craig loved Manny more than KC loves Jenna.... he didn't want Manny to get an abortion. and Jt didn't want to be with Liberty cause was being annoying.. he still helped.. when Kc left Clare last season and used her.. then poured his little heart out for her she rejected him. Holly J says 2 nice things to Sav and he forgives her? i am sorry cheating is the one thing i could not forgave.. cause if it was true love Holly J wouldn't have cheated on him. Holly J some where inside wanted to be there.... Declan didn't chain her down.. yeah he begged but if she got up to leave he wouldn't have stopped her... Sav just needs to be single... let him develop without a girlfriend...
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What i hated bout Halo is how fast Sav and Jenna took back Holly J and Kc... they both treated them like ****.. Holly J didn't really care about Sav and ditched him the second Declan came around. KC told her to get an abortion... come on! i get KC wasn't ready to be a dad, but i believe Craig loved Manny more than KC loves Jenna.... he didn't want Manny to get an abortion. and Jt didn't want to be with Liberty cause was being annoying.. he still helped.. when Kc left Clare last season and used her.. then poured his little heart out for her she rejected him. Holly J says 2 nice things to Sav and he forgives her? i am sorry cheating is the one thing i could not forgave.. cause if it was true love Holly J wouldn't have cheated on him. Holly J some where inside wanted to be there.... Declan didn't chain her down.. yeah he begged but if she got up to leave he wouldn't have stopped her... Sav just needs to be single... let him develop without a girlfriend...
I also agree that Holly J left Sav the second Declan came home and that was it, there was no discussion Holly J was spending time with Declan and Sav had to just deal with it. I think that Holly J wanted to be there with Declan because before it got to the point of her cheating on Sav with she could've said that they she wasn't going to Declan's party and she could've left with Sav but no, she decides to stay with Fiona and Declan and I don't think she was forced to stay. I also think that if Holly J really loved Sav or had any real feelings for him that she wouldn't have cheated on him. I think that Sav has been put in the position where he has to forgive and put up with Holly J and her actions no matter what they are because if he doesn't what exactly is he doing on screen? I also think that this storyline reinforces the fact that he literally has no one to interact with since all of his friends have left "Degrassi" and Anya is out of the picture for the moment. I don't think most people would forgive someone for cheating on them and if Holly J really regretted cheating on Sav so much what was the big delay in telling him? I never saw any guilt or remorse from her about cheating on him because the whole thing seemed so forced. I also think that it's hard for me to like a couple where one half of the couple decided to spread a fake pregnancy rumor just so she could win an election and again she was never sorry or the least bit remorseful about that. I think most people aren't like Sav in that most people wouldn't date someone who spread false rumors about them. Again, this makes Sav look desperate and needy without actually doing much even though that probably isn't the writer's original or true intent in my opinion. I think that Sav was finally given a chance however small to develop and find a purpose without a girlfriend but his storyline like Anya's was dropped and or changed quickly and so I don't think that the "Degrassi" writers and or TPTB like either Sav or Anya all that much because they won't really let their characters develop outside of being in a relationship but, I am also not really surprised by this because Anya and Sav have never been given much to do separately or together even after over three years on the show.
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:08 PM
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From the promo it seems like we won't be seeing too much of those two. Have to say that it doesn't bother me in the slightest
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:31 PM
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I think that this whole storyline is so forced and unlike all of the other couples on this show like them or not they actually get screen time and character development and there's at least a sense that the writers and TPTB are willing to try and give them screen time and character development and that it's not all about one person and their wants and needs all the time. I don't think it's ever a good thing to see a relationship completely stop a character's growth but that's exactly what happened to Sav and there is absolutely no suspense or any drama with this couple. All of these things could've put this couple on the backburner and then when the fact that this show doesn't do much with its seniors generally speaking that all of this and it's easy to see why they are a couple on the backburner. I also think that Sav and his storylines were never a real priority and that TPTB didn't hide that and that someone who's part of TPTB isn't all that invested in this couple and their storyline because if that were really the case third parties wouldn't be used to try and make their storyline look interesting.

I think that while Charlotte and Ray are friends in real life that they have no romantic chemistry and that the writers and TPTB would've been better off working on making them be friends because I don't know anyone who would be friends with much less date someone who spread false rumors about them without ever thinking for a second about the other person and their feelings. I also think that Holly J really just walks around and does what she wishes with no real consequences no matter what she says or does and it would've been better if she was actually forced to work for and earn Sav's forgiveness, but, that didn't happen in large part to me because then something in this storyline would be about Sav and his feelings but TPTB has long before now disregarded Sav's feelings about anything. The other couples like them or not are not this one sided and they are worse than Spinner and Emma because both of them had their own storylines and weren't just there solely to be someone's ever present boyfriend/girlfriend like Sav is. I think Peter and Mia were another stereotypical couple for this show and that in their own ways they were both egostical but, that the writers and TPTB were desperate to try and make them both likable characters but, first impressions matter and neither Peter or Mia were really given much to do in the end. Holly J and Sav really have nothing to talk about and let's not forget that under their supposed leadership that the school is under a lockdown in part because of their actions during Vegas Night.
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i agree... Ray and Charlotte have great chemistry... but something about them screams brother/sister.... more than lovers... i really wanted them to have a friendship.... stretching back to when he dated Anya.... for her sake.... but no such luck... i have a hard time buying that they are "in love" i feel like they love each other.. but its kinda like Clare loves Adam.. a best friend kind of love not a romantic..
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i agree... Ray and Charlotte have great chemistry... but something about them screams brother/sister.... more than lovers... i really wanted them to have a friendship.... stretching back to when he dated Anya.... for her sake.... but no such luck... i have a hard time buying that they are "in love" i feel like they love each other.. but its kinda like Clare loves Adam.. a best friend kind of love not a romantic..
Charlotte and Ray have chemistry but it is that of a brother or sister. I wanted Sav to do something productive on his own without a girlfriend because when Sav dates someone it brings out everything that is wrong with him and reinforces his complete lack of character development. I think that trying to pair him with someone with a personality as big as Holly J's is a big mistake because he's simply going to be overshadowed by her. I think Sav and Anya both needed friends and interests outside of each other but, I think that she never cared about Sav and that his lack of any character development was going to used against him here because Holly J walks all over him. I think that Holly J is someone who is concerned about her reputation and when she cheated on Sav with Declan she was more concerned about how she would be thought of by others than anything else which is why I don't think she wanted Sav to find out about being cheated on. I think that most people are not like Sav and would want nothing to do with someone who first spread false rumors about them and wasn't sorry about it in the least and then cheated at the first chance she got with her ex and so this storyline is really unrealistic for a show that really seems to pride itself on writing a show that's whole and original intent is to portray the lives and relationships teenagers and young adults today. I also think that this show has too many relationship storylines and the amount of characters who are either in relationships or want to be in relationships is really unrealistic because not all kids date or want to be in relationships in high school.

This storyline might be different if TPTB and the writers acted like Sav was actually worthy enough to actually write for and develop but, in their eyes he isn't because otherwise he wouldn't be on screen in two poorly written relationship storylines where Sav is written like a plot device and not an actual character. I also think that Ray has more chemistry with Melinda (Alli) than he does with Charlotte and that it's hard to watch Ray and Charlotte try to act together because their storyline just seems to make even something that could be interesting or fun really awkward but, Holly J has storylines and screen time outside of this poorly writtern awkward storyline where Sav just doesn't in my opinion. I think that just because Holly J is a popular character that TPTB and the writers thought that her popularity alone could simply carry the whole storyline but to me it doesn't and didn't work that way here because Holly J is watered down by and because of him. In reality, Sav could water down the character of whoever he was dating because TPTB never really gave him much to do outside of being someone's ever present boyfriend and he really has no friends to interact with since all of his friends have left "Degrassi."
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Not ONE SavvyJ scene and this was their Vday episode. Freakin' hilarious to me. They even found a way to throw Eclare in there. Soooo funny.
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Not ONE SavvyJ scene and this was their Vday episode. Freakin' hilarious to me. They even found a way to throw Eclare in there. Soooo funny.
I think Sav was just there for comic relief and while other couples like KC and Jenna weren't there the other couples on this show actually get some storylines and development and it's just this couple that looks really awkward and out-of-place. It seems like TPTB love Holly J and her character that this doesn't translate to screen time for Holly J and Sav and why do I say this? Holly J had a big supporting role with her old friend Anya and they appear to have gotten over the idea of Holly J dating her ex really quickly and once again something that could've given Holly J and Sav something to actually deal with and swept under the rug and never really dealt with. Holly J was also a good friend to Fiona and Adam, but, again there's no Sav to be seen. Holly J and Sav do not make me think of romance and Valentine's Day, it's just a really forced storyline that someone who's part of TPTB cannot be too keen on because Holly J and Sav don't even get the most simple scenes and if they are on screen Sav just gets upstaged by Holly J in some way and it becomes all about her and not him alone or them as a couple.
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I think they've realized they need to put Holly J and Sav on the backburner since the whole Eli/Clare and Fiona/Adam have a much larger fanbase and more vocal too
Completely agree and I couldn't be happier!
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Completely agree and I couldn't be happier!
I think it has more to do with Sav and what to do with him since all of his friends are gone and Anya is out of the picture for the moment and Sav needs this storyline to have a chance at a storyline and screen time Holly J does not and has never needed this storyline to get screen time. Holly J gets a lot of screen time as seen yesterday and it's not with Sav even when it could be and that tells me that someone who's part of TPTB likes Holly J and her character alone and with other characters but that for whatever reason Sav and his storylines have never been and still aren't a priority and I really think it's being done on purpose by TPTB and the writers. I think that all of the other couples who were in the episode at least got a scene together but not this train wreck of a couple and that to me says a lot and it reinforced what I thought all along in that TPTB and the writers have never been all that interested in Sav and his storylines and that it's really just easier to give the screen time to Holly J alone rather than to have to actually work and try to make it look like Sav has a purpose other than being this awkward, ever present boyfriend.
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Not ONE SavvyJ scene and this was their Vday episode. Freakin' hilarious to me. They even found a way to throw Eclare in there. Soooo funny.
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I loved how Anya looked at him like he was crazy when he was doing the announcements in that crazy toga getup or whatever. Plus, I love how she mentioned her best friend is currently dating her ex. Although I'm not sure why HJ is her best friend...

Anyway, I'm happy Anya is making it clear that she doesn't agree with it. Too bad that Anya/Declan plot will never happen....
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Anyway, I'm happy Anya is making it clear that she doesn't agree with it. Too bad that Anya/Declan plot will never happen....
Omg, that would be interesting. Just to see Holly J's reaction. I'm pretty sure she would drop Sav real quick.
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