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The Grossmance {Anti-Holly J/Declan} #3 - Because anything less than a yes is a no.
The Grossmance #3 This is now about something much bigger than disliking a ship and not wanting two fictional characters to be together. This is about the fact that Degrassi screwed up. We want acknowledgment from the show's producers and writing staff that Degrassi ignored the legal definition of consent. We want clarification that Holly J did not consent. Degrassi claims to be an educational show, but when it came to the date-rape storyline presented in Love Lockdown, Degrassi did not educate. We want the show to stop ignoring this storyline by attempting to rewrite history or redefine what it means to be raped or sexually assaulted. We want Degrassi to apologize for victim- blaming and "blurring the lines." Rape is not a gray area and consent is not up for debate. We want them to know how pissed off and angry this episode made us feel, that it's the dark cloud over the entire series, and that we still can't believe Degrassi could be so irresponsible. At the very least, we want to know that the Declan/Holly J "romance" is over for good. Rape is forced sexual intercourse, including vaginal, anal, or oral penetration. This is what rape culture looks like.
quotes; Holly J: So are you excited I’m coming? Declan: Yeah, I’m happy… kind of. Holly J: You’re sort of happy I’m coming on the Yale trip? Holly J (sarcastically): You really know how to make a girl feel wanted. Holly J: I’m just so stupid! Mrs. Sinclair: I know that’s not true. Holly J: He’s cheating on me mom. Mrs. Sinclair: Oh honey. I am so sorry. Holly J: Declan is not perfect but I never though he’d do this. Mrs. Sinclair: He’s a spoiled rich kid. He thinks he can live by different rules. I know this hurts now, but you are better off. Holly J: Hey, it’s me. I really didn’t want to do this over the phone. This long distance thing, it’s driving me insane. And it made me realize that I sort of hitched my wagon to you instead of making my own way. And if you’re hooking up with some high class skank right now… I really hope she’s worth it. You’re not the guy I thought you were Declan. So, we’re done. Mrs. Sinclair: What, is this his attempt to bribe his way back? Holly J: Declan, I have my SAT’s. Declan: Reschedule them. Holly J: I also have to help my parents move. Declan: That’s boring. Okay fine, I’m already paying for you not to work, I might as well pay for the movers too. Holly J: It’s not that easy. Declan: I thought the plan was that we’d visit each other. Just come for a few days. Please. Holly J: I just can’t. Declan: Come on, how much will I have to spend before you do what I ask? Chantey: Just drop it preppy. Holly J: Go home. Just go. Holly J: I’m not going anywhere. Declan: Excuse me? Holly J: I can’t take your money. Declan: What? What’s going on? Holly J: It makes me feel gross! Declan: Holly J, money exists to solve problems. Holly J: So that’s what I am to you? A problem. Declan: What’s wrong with you? Holly J: I thought we were part of each other’s dreams, but you only wanna make me a part of yours. Declan: Holly J… Holly J: I don’t need your help. I need time to figure this out, away from you. Declan: Yeah but you’ve been away from me. Okay, a relationship online and on the phone that’s the problem. Holly J: Well then maybe we should go on a break. Declan: The Tessas are giving a private concert this Saturday. I've got two backstage passes... what do you say? Holly J: Thanks, but I'm busy. Declan: What? Holly J: Earth to planet Declan, I hate the Tessas. And I'm working Friday so that everyone else can go on a date. Don't you listen? Declan: Couldn't you get someone to cover? Holly J: Please, Declan. You barely know me. I am not your type. Declan: Is that a challenge? Declan: You have to help me. I need the deets on Holly J Sinclair. Fiona: The dragon lady of Degrassi? Why? Declan: Because she says I don't know her. Whatever that means. I have her on Facebook, her Twitter ID-- Fiona: You're digging up info on the Internet? A bit pathetic for you. Declan: It was mostly Fiona bribing all your friends for me. Holly J: I don't know much about you. Holly J: Here I thought this was a conversation, not a script. Holly J: Please let this be anyone but... number one match, Declan Coyne! Damn it. Holly J: I'm still not talking to you and I'm not going to listen to your crap either way so you better save us some time and let me out-- (Declan mutes her) Declan: Are you done? Declan (to Jane): Just trying to convince La Presidenta to skip class. Holly J: No dice, I have math to hand in. Declan (to Anya, shoving papers in her face): Can you hand this in for us? Thanks, Anya! (She walks off, disgusted) Mrs. Sinclair: My daughter was humiliated, if not assaulted in front of the school and we're talking damage control? Holly J: Hey! I guess chivalry is dead. Declan: That's not funny, Holly J. Holly J: You know what's less funny? How you sat there and said nothing while they skewered me. Declan: My hands were kinda tied okay, you saw my mother in there. Holly J: Yeah, I noticed, are you scared to make your mommy mad? Declan: Look, we both know I have to move away eventually. If we're never allowed to see each other, what's the point? Holly J: If we can't be up front about this, I don't want to do it at all. Declan: It's not possible. Holly J: Neither are we.
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Whoa that was fast! I was just going back to read what everyone said today in the last one. haha
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Add me to this ****. I love Holly J, and theres not a ship I actually like for her... So yeah I guess I'm just meh.
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Thanks for starting! No, I wasn't going to start the new one...just trying to get the other one finished and closed so I could update the board guide. Can't wait to see what you do with the OP!
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I am getting more and more worried about Friday's episode the closer we get to it... I wish that an actual organization would speak out against LL. Right now it's just us fans, so people are brushing it off like it's just a bunch of annoyed Sav/Holly J-ers. I wonder who we could contact about this. __________________
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I love the OP. Holy ****, there's so much evidence against them.
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LOL, there really are a lot of reasons on the OP. I never looked at it before.
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I just wanted to adress something from the previous thread
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I guess that we will probably get Dolly J mentions in the next episode, it wouldn't have made sense to have Holly J mention him at all in Chasing Pavements. But we'll probably never hear about them again after season 10 ends. I think that's good since I really do not want to think about the mess that writers created with this plot. Them being together would send the most awful message. |
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Add me, please. I was waiting for the new thread to open to ask.
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This is how I feel about the triangle. Well, minus the HJ hate that is implied here. haha. It made my day though. __________________
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I used to like Declan/Holly J before season ten... and then he got all douche bag-yy. This may be off topic but did Declan rape Holly J in Love Lockdown? Because I remembered something like that being brought up in that episode and everything, and then in Holly J said she still loved him in Chasing Pavements so I dunno... I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed or whatever so could someone please elaborate for me?
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I don't even think Holly J realizes she was raped, since the show is trying to make it seem like what happened doesn't count. But even though Holly J doesn't think she was raped, she was. Then again, regardless of whether she realizes what happened to her was rape or not, it's still odd for her to have feelings for this guy that completely disregarded hers. However, Holly J is a character on this show, so she's going to do whatever the writers want her to do. She's still in love with her rapist because the show doesn't acknowledge that what happened to her was rape. Last edited by Kwinks; 04-12-2011 at 05:28 PM |
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But even if the show did, they could have ended up going the route where she still loves Declan, because in real life, there are girls who get raped by someone they know/are close to, and they end up not telling anyone because they still care about their rapist and don't want to get them in trouble. |
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I updated the OP as best as I could. It took me an obscenely long time and unfortunately I didn't have the hindsight to bookmark a lot of links when we were having all our really intense discussions, so if you guys have any quotes/statistics to add, please let me know. I'll probably add a "resources" list at some point too but I honestly don't have the energy to do it right now. But I hope everyone likes what's there. LilKamea, let me know if the new OP helps to answer your own questions.
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