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Old 04-06-2012, 07:28 PM
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FINALLY, the writers strike the perfect balance in between parts one and two.

A Plot. Well, some were concerned that the show would just write off Eli's possessive qualities as part of his disorder and the episode knocked that down completely. Though I wish more of a message was sent that what Eli was doing wasn't OK, but I guess how he scared Imogen was enough. So I guess Imogeli is over and done with and they make better friends anyway.

B Plot. I liked this too. They really did need to wrap up KC's feelings of inadequacy and move him on to something else. I'm glad they remember he's gifted. And good job dodging a potential Jake/Jenna/KC triangle!

C Plot. Enjoyable fluff and Tori finally found her spine. It really wasn't cool what Zig was doing.
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:46 PM
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Apparently teen hormones cause massive paranoia, anger outbursts, etc. and it's A-okay! Yay for positive messages from Degrassi
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:38 PM
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Eli and Imogen - Eli's path was expected and not as much due to cliche. Instead it was more so due to it being the realistic path for someone with Eli's problem. The good news for him at the end was that he had not also destroyed the friendship with Imogen. As I said previously, one of the problems here is two friends, meant to be friends, were prodded into a romantic relationship. This common event often ends with the demise of the romance. Here Imogen smartly realizes and states that they are meant to just be friends. She spars Eli's teasing at the end and Eli, still clearly pining somewhat, knows he must move on.

As for Imogen, she had already moved on. Her talk with Fiona seemed more an attempt to negotiate with Fiona's prodding.

The episode's sharpest playing is on heterosexist assumption. Eli is concerned about Imogen cheating with a guy. He looks through photos and over and over it is the image of Fiona (Fiona is the recipient of Imogen's gaze) trying to find a photo of a man. He goes over to Fiona's in an attempt to find Imogen with a man and yet suspicion does not arise over Fiona/Imogen even though Imogen stayed there two evenings in a row. Meanwhile Imogen states her trust in Fiona, a sequence that plays as both friendly and yet with an undercurrent of romantic suggestion. While Imogen and Fiona are not together, the plotting seems to be hinting they are meant to be (unlike Eli and Imogen where the plotting hinted they should not be).

KC and Jenna - KC's talk with the adoptive parents was embarrassing and yet realistic. Jenna knows the emotions are too much too handle. KC falsely believes he can handle them. KC and Jenna talking it over is a well done scene. The temporary nature of most teen romances and the having a baby often create such conflicts. These two people no longer share anything but the baby and KC's behavior is an attempt to hold on to not just his baby but the girl who has moved on. Jenna says the dead on thing of the episode - KC was unwilling to do what it takes to be a parent and that ended up leading to what happened as much as anything. To blame the end result on Jenna is unfair and at least KC realizes this by the end.

Zig and Tori - The young man who plays Zig cannot act at all and it is killing this storyline. Tori could be an intriguing character but this storyline is not cutting it. This was fast forward material.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:58 PM
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A plot was okay. I'm glad that Eli and Imogen's friendship wasn't ruined, since I think I enjoy their friendship more than their relationship. But I agree that his psychiatrist's wording about his possessiveness being "just hormones" was a little...off. I mean, yeah, his hormones are probably the cause of it, but I like others have said, I wish they didn't make it seem like it was completely fine for him to be acting like that. But Imogen broke up with him, so I guess it's good that she didn't stay with him after he treated her like that.

B plot was good, too. KC was crossing some boundaries, but it's understandable. He misses Ty/Doug, and I'm sure some people in his situation would act the same.

C plot: Eh, kind of boring, but not terrible. I still don't like Tori/Zig as a couple, and I still love Maya, so yeah.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:12 AM
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I just watched both parts together so I'll comment on the episode as a whole.

I am seriously conflicted about the Eli storyline. This was the most compelling I have ever found Eli to be... but in the back of my mind I kept having flashbacks to when Craig trashed the hotel room and thinking this was nothing new. I guess when you're bipolar, you can't resist the urge to break things!

Eli and Imogen are so bad for each other yet I couldn't take my eyes of them. Maybe they're so wrong together that it might be right?! I don't know. Here's the thing. I think Eli's therapist is a quack. His behavior was not "normal teenage hormones." He was being an obsessive stalker and thankfully Imogen recognized that was wrong. Imogen is not innocent either. Her decision to make that poster and "out" him as mentally ill to her class was also a horrible thing to do, albeit unintentionally. She seriously overstepped her boundaries and I think Eli was almost too forgiving. THEY ARE A TRAINWRECK AND I CAN'T TURN AWAY. Maybe they are better off as friends, but I can't help thinking they'd be a great couple maybe a few years down the line when they both work out their respective issues. It's a moot point since they're both so close to graduation.

I'm super intrigued by Imogen's home life. What's up with her British father? Has that been mentioned before? And I didn't get a good glimpse at the house... wish we could see inside of it too. Surely there is more to the story when it comes to her private life.

I love how Jake is sneaking into every storyline lately, but I wish he'd get one of his own.

The B and C plots kept my attention, too. I'm so glad the adoption storyline wasn't dropped and forgotten. Jenna may have seemed like a bitch to want to skip the christening, but I think she chose the healthier route. (Also, why can't KC tell the adoptive parents that they broke up? Is it really a big deal?) Maya wasn't the focus of the C plot, but once again she was the highlight for me. She's definitely mature beyond her years. I hope we get to see a lot more of her and soon.
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:57 PM
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now that i've seen the episode i think that eli's character has gone through a lot and being diagnosed with a mental illness is hard to accept as you WILL be judged by others at times in your life because the stigma does exist. imogen's project brought out a lot of insecurities in him that he was obvsly not ready to face and he freaked out. insecurities that aren't addressed properly will drive anyone to act/say irrational stuff. i don't think he was having an episode, i think it was a normal reaction of someone who was having a hard time coming to terms with their illness. i honestly don't like it when people want to make a disorder or use their disorder everytime someone like this freaks out for legitimate reasons. i will say though that i am not excusing his actions in the least, just trying to separate him freaking out due to his insecurities leading to anger/desperation and a real manic episode.
imogen stalked him a bit last year and did things she shouldn't have and i don't remember anyone making a disorder of that
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:05 PM
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A plot was okay. I'm glad that Eli and Imogen's friendship wasn't ruined, since I think I enjoy their friendship more than their relationship.
The actors did a good job with that particularly Prosperi. To do that while retaining a friendship spark is challenging acting. One of the best things that Prosperi did throughout is remove most of the overt body language from Imogen's scenes with Eli. By doing so while pointedly providing overt body language towards Fiona, Imogen's romantic spark with Fiona is easy to pick up while there is pretty much nil between Imogen and Eli. The importance of physicality is often not noticed but Prosperi is very strong in this department.
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:35 AM
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A: I know everyone's glad Imogeli ended and everything but it was SUCH a waste of a storyline. We all knew they were going to end things, their relationship didn't even get a fighting chance. I do ship Eclare, but I could've handled Imogeli for more than two episodes. Why did they get together in the first place? What I also didn't like was Eli's alleged jealousy allegedly making him act like a psychopath. I don't care what the writers say, he was having an episode and that's that. I mean, I don't break and enter and trash my room because I'm jealous. Then again, Eli always has been a tad extreme..

B; Not much to say here. I actually felt bad for KC for once because he was actually making an effort and the Powells kept blowing him off. Really enjoyed his apology to Jenna too, definitley needed to hear that.

C: Enjoyed this as well. Zig was a total jerkface but Tori finallly called him out and he really did come through in the end. Though I do ship Zaya, I was actually okay with them staying together.
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Old 04-14-2012, 05:04 PM
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A: I know everyone's glad Imogeli ended and everything but it was SUCH a waste of a storyline. We all knew they were going to end things, their relationship didn't even get a fighting chance. I do ship Eclare, but I could've handled Imogeli for more than two episodes. Why did they get together in the first place? What I also didn't like was Eli's alleged jealousy allegedly making him act like a psychopath. I don't care what the writers say, he was having an episode and that's that. I mean, I don't break and enter and trash my room because I'm jealous. Then again, Eli always has been a tad extreme..
I've wondered why Eli and Imogen started dating in the first place as well and I really didn't like the pace of the storyline to begin with because it was and still is so rushed. I also think that there was always this sense that the writers were always really unwilling to even try with the Imogen/Eli ship, but I also felt that the writers looking back were unwilling to give Sean/Ellie much of a chance and I would say the same for the Holly J/Sav ship as well. I also felt that the Imogen/Eli storyline was in the end all about Eli.

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B; Not much to say here. I actually felt bad for KC for once because he was actually making an effort and the Powells kept blowing him off. Really enjoyed his apology to Jenna too, definitley needed to hear that.
I also think that this was one of the few times we actually got to see KC and not have KC make an awful choice or have the whole storyline be all about Jenna. For once the storyline was about KC on his own and I liked that.

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C: Enjoyed this as well. Zig was a total jerkface but Tori finallly called him out and he really did come through in the end. Though I do ship Zaya, I was actually okay with them staying together.
I think that Zig is at the moment very much like a stereotypical teenage guy at the moment and I think that at least that he will get the opportunity to grow and change unfortunately I can't say that for all of the seniors who are on the show at the moment.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:18 PM
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Coming here better late than never, I'll just mention a few things that I liked about part 2:

-I love that Connor appears to be in a leadership position with the Science Olympics team. Also very happy to see signs of smart KC. The gifted and talented (or whatever it was called) program appears to have come and gone, but it's good to see the academic talents of those kids haven't been forgotten.

-Zig was an ass throughout most of the episode, but I appreciate that he was as dense as he was because as a former 14-year-old boy, that rang true. I agree about Maya, being a highlight of this plot. One of my favorite scenes of the episode was the one with her and Tori.

-I think the apology scene with KC and Jenna was probably the best one in the entire episode. Once again, they struck a perfect balance of awkwardness between the two of them, highlighting their their shared regret and knowing acknowledgement that better things may be coming.

As for the main plot, well, I'll just say that Eli's shrink is very much in the running for my least favorite adult in this show's history.
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I like zig and tori in this episode. I like that she calls him out on things...and yes she is jealous. But I think she gets better.
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