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Old 10-13-2010, 08:55 PM
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Angsty Artists {Craig ♥ Ashley} #136: Forever yours, faithfully.

{♥}Welcome to the 136th Angsty Artists (Craig Manning and Ashley Kerwin) Appreciation Thread!{♥}

{A: But you're okay?
C: I'm crazy Ash.
A: You're not crazy.
C: Maybe you should go.
A: I don't want to.
I'm not leaving Craig.
C: The first time we dated was a disaster.
This time was a nuclear.
A: We're not over.
C: So you're here with me?
A: Absolutely}

+Voices Carry

Celebrating 100 Threads of Craig and Ashley Love
After 100 threads and over 100 shippers, we're still here loving Crash as much as ever!

Learn about the characters...Craig Manning {Jake Epstein} and Ashley Kerwin {Melissa McIntrye}
{Troubled, artistic, and passionate, Craig Manning has twice the angst of any other eighteen-year old. Whether it’s being the center of love triangles or struggling with his bipolarity, or his recent cocaine addiction, Craig’s life is plagued with problems. Yet, despite his dark past, which includes an abusive father and a mother who died of cancer, Craig has somehow maintained a great sense of humor and a romantic spirit. He's learned how to be a great stepson to Joey Jeremiah, a good brother to Angie Jeremiah, and a loving boyfriend. His songs have earned him the admiration of ex Manny Santos, the appreciation of BFF Ellie Nash, and the love of Ashley Kerwin, the other half of Degrassi’s power couple. Even when he’s most cocky and breaking the hearts of girls, this heartthrob still oozes charm and personality, and we always manage to forgive him.}

{Because if he really loved Kate,
he wouldn't want to change her.
He'd love her for who she is}
+Craig in Dressed in Black

{Degrassi’s resident chameleon, Ashley Kerwin is a combination of mysterious beauty, strong compassion, and creative expression. These traits have lead to appreciation from Jimmy Brooks and Sean Cameron, and love from Craig Manning. Throughout her transformations from teacher’s pet to goth girl to rocker chick to vintage princess, she’s channeled her thoughts into lyrics, both poetic and musical, all while being a soundboard for Craig and her friends in times of need. While she does have a penchant for not confronting certain issues in her life, it makes her more real as she grows into her own person, learning from her mistakes. Her family life has been altered, by both her father coming out to her and remarrying, along with Kate’s recent relationship with boyfriend Jeff, but Ashley rolled with the punches and found her place in each. In season 4, the formerly moody poet lightened up and opened herself up to love again with Craig before jetting to England. Once returning, she also has an altered attitude, more care-free, and even though her relationship with Craig hasn’t been addressed, we know she’ll always be in the front row, cheering him on because it’s in her nature.}

{Really? Wow. I guess
I knew he was always
destined for greatness}

+Ashley in High Fidelity

The Story of Crash (Craig&Ashley)

Why do the Angsty Artists support CrAsh?

{From their bashful days as friends to their angry rocker phase to their angsty declarations of love, we can't get enough of Craig Manning and Ashley Kerwin. No one understands Ashley more than Craig, her mental and musical soulmate, encouraging her creativity and opinionated nature. He loves her when she has a sharp tongue, is icy, throughout all her transformations. Deep down, he sees the girl we love-- someone who's compassionate, classy, and worth the wait. At the same time, Ashley has endured opposition from her family and friends to try and make it work, finding it in herself to forgive the boy who loves her for who she is. Bravely standing up for Craig in VC and to Craig in RRHS, she brought the best out of our boy.

Locker leans, Shrew practice, GM petitions....they support each other's interests and ideas, throughout season 2. Naturally, Craig chooses Ashley to share his troubled past with, resulting in one of the most respected and satisfying finales of Degrassi. Season three proved to be an ultimate test, with the popular, cheating storyline, yet it was CrAsh out of the two Craig ships who made amends, leaving the AAs hungry for more. Boy, did they get more. In season four, a slew of episodes confirmed what we knew all along-- that CrAsh will see each other through the best of days, exciting recording sessions/ band interviews, or the worst of days, Craig's episodes in VC. It's no wonder we still hope for a reconciliation down the line. In our hearts, we know, and they know, they are "so, so not over."}

Learn About Us...The Fans

{PM Ria or Nicole to be added to the shipppers list}

Why We Love Crash

{There are many reasons we love Crashley, but mostly it's because they will always be there for eachother. We've seen that in past episodes, how Craig helped Ashley realize she shouldn't change for someone else, and how Ashley helped Craig through his fathers death, and his bipolarity. And the summer will make them stronger and make them realize how much they do in fact love and need eachother. Also for the fact that after Craig, cheated on her last year, she was willing to give him another chance. That say's a lot.}

Craig and Ashley had one of the most natural, genuine beginnings on television. They both needed to be in each others life at that point and it turned their world upside down completely. From that point their problems were handled realistically and weren't handled to make them look perfect. That only made their solution all the more special and believeable that it would bring them closer. They have come farther in their time together from start to finish then most tv couples go their entire run. By their final season their love for each other was not "in your face" but it was very easy to see how strongly they cared for each other. They may have other relationships that are even more "on/off" but the emotional effort they each put into those pales in comparison to all they went through with each other. No matter how much the writing has screwed with their story, at every screw up there is even more potential for them created. They may have killed the characters at this point in time, what they meant to each other hasn't dared to be messed with. They're too afraid to deal with it right now.
-- Kathy

Craig and Ashley are the ultimate couple because they are the whole package. They are a realistic and honest teen couple that I've always been able to relate to and love discussing because there are so many layers to them. Jake and Melissa play so well off each other and the result is an amazing range of emotionally intense scenes; scenes that can only happen when a couple has intense passion for each other. They have their sweet moments and moments of angst, all which have this amazing energy and feel genuine. Though both Craig and Ashley are troubled, they seem to really balance each other out and understand each other. As a bonus, I never know what to expect next with Crash. They are such a surprising couple.
-- Nicole

Craig and Ashley are the ultimate couple for so many reasons. Besides being beautiful, talented, intelligent and musically-inclined, Craig and Ashley share a deep connection and bond that grew incredibly strong over time. The love that they have for one another is undeniable. They don’t throw out the term “love” without substance and feeling behind it. The build-up they were given to come to that point is rare for any couple on Degrassi. There are negative moments throughout their relationship, but they aren’t simply glossed over. The lows of their characters help to mold the highs, which therefore creates an ideal balance. No couple is perfect and Crash certainly doesn’t pretend to be. They have worked hard over the years to get to a point of understanding, comfort, friendship, love and passion. When they are together, they are each other’s best friend and lover all at once, which is a beautiful thing.
-- Jen

Craig and Ashley are the ultimate couple because out of all the couples from D:TNG they received the most development. They made it through some of the most stressful obstacles in couple could endure. They survived Craig cheating, they survived Craig's bipolar disorder, and it is just a matter of time before they overcome Ashley staying in England. No other couple in D:TNG a had practically a whole season dedicated to them like CrAsh.
-- Leigh

Craig and Ashley are the ultimate couple because not only do they fight to be with one another, but they fight the odds. Their storylines are consistent, wonderfully written, and there are no hints of randomess or a lack of depth. They are shaped by their history, rather than reliant on their history. They have a shown, established connection rather than an assumed connection. Seasons 2-4 is a testament to their strength and the faith the writers have in the ultimate DTNG couple.
-- Nikki

Craig and Ashley are the ultimate couple because every season that both Craig and Ashley have been in, they have shared the screen. They have been through so much, yet it comes back to their story. Crash has attracted so many different kinds of fans who have remained loyal and true to their ship through the roughest times and I believe that shows dedication that the couple has been able grasp a hold to these fans, which not all couples can do with their fans. There are also the little moments, that don’t take as much notice along with the big ones, that you realize how much they really mean to each other, proving all the more how "ultimate they are" This couple has been through quite a few issues together and their story is far from over.
-- Ria

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{A: Look, I’m nervous too.
But I mean you’ll be there
and all I have to do is look
over at you and I’ll be fine.
So, you wanted to tell me something?}

+Ashley, to Craig in Neutron Dance

{C: Going somewhere?
A: Are you?
C: Soon. I’m gonna go home. I think we owe everyone a dance.
*He takes her hand and they start walking to the dance floor*
C: You can ask.
*They start dancing*
A: Ask what?
C: How I’m doing. I won’t go psycho.
A: How are you doing Craig?
C: Better}

+Craig&Ashley in Tears Are Not Enough

+ Soundtrack - Download The Mix: Crash 100

ღ sweet valley forever
Jen (Jack Bauer's lover/Crash fanatic )
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:56 PM
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+ Celebrating Our Family of Little Post Whores

{Our bloodline begins with Stephen Stohn and Linda Schuyler, who are brilliant!!! Nicole, a crazy drunken socialite, began her life romancing the mayor. They were involved in an arranged marriage. Her parents thought that it would settle her down. They swear all the inspiration from their television show comes from that crazy loveable daughter of theirs. The fathers of her children were always believed to be of the celebrity variety. The marriage came to a screeching halt when the paternity tests arrived. The father is rocker/actor Hugh Dillon!

Despite all the chaos and scandal surrounding the family, Nikki has maintained a good head on her shoulders and is raising a family of her own with a man her mother once had her eye on. One of her twins, Ria, hightailed it to Europe for awhile and the other, Diana, appears to be where ever those "Lost" people are. Her other set of twins are a handful as well. Michele is missing while the other, Katie, nearly drowned when she jumped ship. Her fellow Crash fans hope to pull her back on deck and she will fall in love with Crash again and resume her dirty talk. The eldest, Kathy, is like her mother and will win any Crash debate. She’s always there for some thoughtful discussion.

Jen, an award winning artist (of the graphic and video variety) produced a good debater as well. Melanie is our public defender. And then there's the tragic tale of poor poor Carli. She mysteriously surfaces only to disappear again.

Then there's Joa. She is a bit like her mother and father, a wild child with family issues of her own. One day, little Callie climbed up into her mother's lap. First she asked for a story about Sellie. She told her mother to stop when she introduced a character named Emma. Then she tearfully asked, "who is my daddy?" Joa could only reply "Well, I'm working on that. I had a lot of fun in my youth hon!" The only thing Callie could think of to say is "What would Mike Lobel do?" Callie often finds she can relate to the "fetus" Hugh and Nicole adopted. We all remember the day Sabrina came into our lives. It was a proud proud day and she's just like one of our own.

Other extended members include Leigh and Callie; it seems like they've been around forever but we see less and less of them as it seems they have developed families of their own. But there's some new kids on the block and we hope to see many more!

Things are quiet at the mansion now, with staff on site. Jake Epstein, the pool boy, has an unusual fear of golf clubs though and will not set foot on the golf course when Nicole's hubby Hugh is around. Nicole is always there to calm him with such warm phrases like, "Oh don't be scared, he's hot! Such a DILF."

Who knows what the next saga will be for our little family of AA's.}

{A: Thank you so much for doing this.
C I love you.
A: And thank you so much for saying that.
Perfect I love you too}

+Voices Carry

{C: This is amazing.
A: I know.
C: I want to bottle this.
Get drunk on it for the rest of my life.
A: I so, so love you}

+Voices Carry

++{Something 'bout the way you shine
And when the lights go out
I wanna make you mine
Somethin bout the way it seems
You're always here, in my dreams
When there's noone there no I'm not scared
But I'm in love
With you}++

Now to answer the conflicted question of just how did those pants end up on the lamp?

Nicole's Theory
"Okay, Jake, you're in your boxers for this scene. Just drape them on the bed or something alright?" Some important person on set says.

"Oooh, this is the scene where I don't wear pants. What is up with that? This is the second time that I've lost my pants," Jake says.

"It's symbolism. You know how deep Degrassi is. Lose your pants, lose your mind," Melissa states with a nod.

Jake does a silly stripper dance, which includes ripping his belt off with flourish. He then daintily drapes his pants over the lamp.

"Nice, Jake. Nice personal touch," Melissa observes.

"This episode has made me feel so freeeee! I get to take off my clothes, I get to trash a room. It's been fantastic!" Jake says.

"Why don't I ever get to trash a room or take off my clothes for the show?" Melissa says.

"Why doesn't she get to take off her clothes...for the wholesome purpose of the show, of course," Jake agrees. He glances around and then picks up the condoms on the bedside table. "Can I have these when we are done filming?"
Kathy's Theory
1. This does not make sense.
2. I wanted to be as outlandish as possible.

Craig and Ashley are in the moment of passion. As each second passes their need to consummate their relatoinship grows stronger. Suddenly, the room starts to shake. As hot and heavy as Crash were, they were not the reason the room was shaking. No, it was zombies who were emerging from their grave RIGHT UNDER THE HOTEL that caused this random earthquake. Of course, Crash didn't care. The shaking just added please to their expierience. However, they were both still fully clothed and that needed to change. As zombies approached their lovenest Ashley did some quick thinking. She yanked Craig's pants off both for her need and to save the world; she threw the pants on the lamp, creating darkness. The zombies passed over Crash's room, allowing them to *fully* enjoy each other's company.
Nikki's Theory
Craig and Ashley were intensely kissing after they slept together. Ashley interrupts, says: "Now I know that you wear boxers and not briefs". Craig jokes that she could've known earlier, but bets to see if she can guess his pants size? Ashley moves to find his pants, cheating in a sense. But Craig throws them away, and they stick on the lamp. She says fine, she can't guess, and Craig says his prize is picking a movie for them to watch. That's why Craig's going through the channels on the hotel TV.
Leigh's Theory
My theory is that Craig was so excited the he just threw his clothes off without even caring where they landed. I have to wonder where he had to go find his shirt? Did that land on the lamp? Did he toss it across the room? Did he even take it off? It really makes you wonder.
Katie's Theory
i think as craig and ashley were kissing, craig leaned to go on top but then ash flipped him over so she was on top, ripped off his pants and threw them, they ended up on the lamp and then they obviously banged for a long time...orrr i think that after crash stopped kissing, ash flipprd craig up on his head and proceded to take of his pants, didn't know where to throw them so threw them up on the lamp, his boxers landed on the tv and her panties in his teeth..
Ria's Theory
Well everyone knows that Nicole is a little crazy so while we planned our road trip to kidnap Jake and Mel, Nicole snuck along for the ride without us knowing. And while we hid Make in the closet, Nicole snuck off and found the set of VC. Being completly deserted by everything frantically trying to find Jake and Mel, she decided to have a little bit of fun. Eating the food, jumping on the bed and that is when she came across Jake's pants. Being her normal self, she wondered what size he was, but when she heard a noise from outside, she threw the pants up in the air, they landed on the lamp and she spent the rest of filming hiding under the bed. And we left, so we're not quite sure how she got back. But at least we know how those pants got there, it's one mystery down, another one to go.

+ Fan Testimonials

{C: But I’m your Craig.
A: Yeah you are and you know what,
you’re just as important to me as he is.
So get dressed. You’re coming with me}
+Voices Carry
When did you first start shipping CrAsh?

{I knew from the minute Ash was sitting on Craig's lap in Father Figure that they were going to be my new favorite couple. Previously I had always prefered Jimmy/Ashley, so in season 2 I was kind of biased against them, but how could you not ship them after seeing how cute they were? - Ria}

{After I started liking Crellie over Cranny in season five, I found that I lot of reasons I used in Crellie's defense could also apply to CrAsh. And I just started to respect them more. And then when I compared the Cranny reunion in season five to the CrAsh reunion in season four, it really showed just what girl Craig really loves and appreciates the most. Another thing I realized about CrAsh is that while Craig kept both Ellie and Manny in his life because that way he could have the friendship aspect and the romance aspect, he had both of those in Ashley. And as I started to compare them to Cranny's status more and more, it really showed just how strong CrAsh's relationship really was.

But even before all this, while I was still filled with hatred over the couple and convinced I would never like them, I had made two CrAsh videos. One very positive and another semi-positive. As I made them, I couldn't help but have several positive thoughts about the couple. - Melanie}

{I first started shipping Crash during season 3. I thought they were pretty cute before SISOSIG, but once the dreaded triangle began, I realized how much I was pushing for Crash to stay together. Once RRHS aired, I was completely hooked and I've been smitten ever since. - Jen}

{I've always liked the characters Craig and Ashley and I'm fairly certain that while watching Season 2 I had the realization that these are two teens that probably would interact and date in real life. I supported them enough while watching Season 3 to be slightly upset at the triangle. When the-n started airing commercials that hinted a Crash reunion, I felt myself getting excited. I'm not normally a shipper, but I think you could call me one once I finished watching GITM. Season 4 was the season of the Crash and that has been the only time I've ever looked forward to episodes so much. - Nicole}

{The first time I started shipping them was when I saw SISOSIG. I really enjoyed seeing how important it was for Craig to be with Ashley. The second time I started to shipping them was when I saw the looks they shared in High Fidelty, instead of giving Ashley a dirty look for staying in England and hooking up with Ali Craig just smiled and waved at her. - Leigh}

{I believe it was Dressed in Black. Which was one of my first episodes - Callie}

{I started shipping CrAsh the first time I saw RRHS on the-N. I always liked them before, in DIB, and especially in TANE, but RRHS just confirmed to me that I cared whether or not they got back together. Of course, I was pulling for them. - Nikki}

{I first started shipping CrAsh when i saw DIB, I really thought they would be so cute together then TANE came and seeing ash being there for him even when he freaked out on her was so sweet and I really started liking them, then season three came and they had some really cute moments but then RRHS came and it sealed the deal for me, I was officially obsessed seeing craig finally apologize and so sweetly was amazing and their chemistry just blew me away, the looks they gave each other, everything was awesome, season four they were perfect too, from the first time seeing each other after "the incident" to him proposing to them both wanting to spend their lives together to ash being there for craig when he was diagnosed bipolar, they had amazing chemistry through everything and I am hooked forever. - Katie}

{TMBA made me think of the possibility of these two, but DIB is what really did it for me. - Teeka}

{Well, the first time I saw Degrassi it was a season one rerun and there was a commercial for the next new episode which was RRHS. I was intrigued and practically started shipping them from the promo. After I saw the episode, I definitely started shipping them. My love for them grew after I saw the older season two episodes, and even more once season four came along. - Lindsey}

{A: I, I can't marry you yet. But I want to. I do.
C: So that's a someday?
A: That's a yes}

+Voices Carry
Why do you think they will get back together again?

{I feel it's the Craig ship that has gotten the most romantic development. The writers haven't made the effort to have Craig speak badly of Ash, or vice versa. GDTR was more of a cliffhanger ep than final closure imo. - Nikki}

{I suppose I'm fairly optimistic that they have a chance. I think/hope that Crash package will influence the writers to at least have them interact next season. I think Cranny is pretty much done for good and though Crellie will probably be dealt with first if Jake came back, since Crash has so much more history and a bigger fan base, I would think/hope that they would eventually move back to Crash. - Lindsey}

{Their story is not over. Things ended so abruptly because of Melissa's absence during season 5 and now that she's come back, it seems the writers have a severe case of amnesia. Ashley's absence has not been addressed whatsoever and there is still so much unsaid about the dissolving of their relationship. The relationships that they have been in since do not even compare to the love that Crash had. Ashley and Jimmy are completely void of any substance and have lost any charm that they may have had during the first couple seasons. Craig and Manny are still the fluffy, predictable and immature couple they've always been. Craig and Ellie lack the passion, intensity and romantic feelings that Crash have for each other. It's unfortunate that Craig and Ashley have been paired with other characters that ultimately hinder their character development. If Melissa and Jake's schedules allow, and if the writers are willing to carefully plan a well thought-out reunion, there is no doubt in my mind that Craig and Ashley could have a believable reunion and return to the former power couple status that they once had. - Jen}

{Because they never got proper closure, and things were left in the air, where so much can happen. The writers also know the fans want it, and can't ignore CrAsh for much longer. - Callie}

{Well I have no idea how long that would take. But if they do, it would definitely be after holding onto a strong significant friendship. Ashley was once like Craig's bestfriend, and I can see that being the case again. And then after a while, they'll finally admit their true feelings, and that'll be it. They have an undeniable bond that goes beyond both friendship and romance, if that makes any sense. Anyways, I'm confident that's how it would happen. It's very realistic. - Melanie}

{If Crash was reunited, it would benefit both Craig and Ashley's character development. Craig has abandonment issues and to have someone come back into his life that he feels left him and was deeply affected by, it help him. His father cannot come back so the next best person is Ashley. Ashley has had a long history of avoiding things, bringing Craig back into her life might force her to deal with that. It would be a way to bring the show back around to individuals and not just couples drama. - Nicole}

{I think they will get back together again because they were the only people to ever really get each other, the complement each other, they have amazing chemistry. I think that they both love each other more then anyone else, I think that the feelings will always be there no matter who their with and that the feelings will always come back. They just fit and go well together, they balance each other out and I think they definitly have that stating power, they are each others true loves. - Katie}

{Because Crash, along with the fans, got the one of the worst "closure" of any Degrassi couple. An email break up will not do it for me or anyone else. And when you have non-fans/haters saying their closure sucked and that they deserve something, you know something is wrong. Plus they keep giving them very sutble you'd have to be obsessed with Crash to figure out hints that they are not over. I mean Ash mentioning him in HF, the wave, and then her sitting front row at his concert? Yeah it's still there and going strong, just on idle for a little while. - Ria}

{Because the writers love reunions and they must know that there are ton of CrAsh fans out there. There is so much they could do with these two. - Leigh}

{Wait, what?! They're not together? Sorry I think I fell asleep half way through GDTR part 1... Kidding. I guess the obvious answer is, because they're meant to be and it's right. - Teeka}

{C: Look. I hurt Ashley and the fact that she's even willing to look at me,
I'm not screwing that up again. So you can flirt with me and people can say
whatever but the fact is I love your niece.
A: Thought you only said that at airports?
C: I'm not staying here long. I just came to give you this. It's a hotel room key. It's for later. If you need a place to go}

+ Voices Carry

What is the moment you can watch over and over again without getting sick of?

{I really like the moments during Season 2, during their more innocent time. Lately I've been obsessed with the "Locker Lean" scene in TMBA. It's such a cute little moment and gives us the first hint that Craig is trying to get more involved in Ashley's life. And then there's the Taming of The Shrew performance - such an attention getter. And when Craig took Ashley's picture - Jake can give off such emotion with just one word, you just felt that he wanted that picture to be for him. And of course when Craig asked Ashley to the end of year dance - Craig was so cute with his adolescent nervousness. Oh and the VC hospital scene, what a great way to conclude a rollercoaster episode. Too many favorites! - Nicole}

{I have watched the ending scene of Tears Are Not Enough over 100 times. The innocence, the music, the closeness, the shared intensity of their stares and the true start to their relationship…it's completely beautiful. I know that whenever I'm having a crappy day, I can watch that clip and instantly smile. It's the one Crash moment, the one Degrassi moment that I will never get sick of. - Jen}

{The moment I can watch over and over again would have to be the ending scene of VC when ash says she's not leaving and that she's there with him is just incredibly sweet, also the scene where craig runs out of the studio for ash, that was just so sweet for him to do. But really, every scene with them, I can watch over and over again without ever getting sick of them just cause I love their chemistry and all their scenes are just amazing. - Katie}

{Lol..I can pretty much watch any Crash scene over and over again. But I think it would have to be a tie between when Craig sings "Shine"(or any good song including Dust) for Ashley in the gym and when Craig runs out of the studio after Ash in ND. Just as I think I narrowed it down I think of the cute moments in FF and the GDTR deleted scene, it's too hard with so many great scenes...well I can always watch the slap in Holiday but that's for a different reason. - Ria}

{Ashley helping to pull Craig off of Joey in VC. - Leigh}

{Probably the hospital bed scene in TANE, and then the ND reunion kiss. - Nikki}

{Probably the hospital scene in VC. Loved Ashley sticking by Craig, and saying she wasn't leaving. - Callie}

{ND hallway kiss Also, pretty much all of RRHS -- that's probably the episode I've watched most out of all of Degrassi. - Lindsey}

{Definitely when he chases after her in Neutron Dance at the end. I could slo-mo that scene forever. - Teeka}

{Mrs. Kerwin: Craig broke my daughter's heart.
A: And I forgave him.
Mrs. Kerwin: Ashley I feel like we just put you back together again.
A: Look mom. I'm really happy so you're just gonna have to be happy for me}

+ Voices Carry

{Dr. Manning: Life's not fair and you're right Joey is better for you.
This way you can kiss your potential goodbye,
settle for some interesting little goth girl-
C: Don't talk about Ashley like that!}

+Tears Are Not Enough

What do you feel CrAsh brings to the show Degrassi and TV as a whole that makes them fresh and unique?

{Well, it's a very well known fact that what makes CrAsh so unique is the way they can only truly communicate their feelings to eachother through music. And while this may come off as stupid to some, we have to look at both Craig and Ashley individually as characters to really understand why this is so important.

First there is Ashley, who has been writing emotional ballads about how she feels since season one. And since then few people have been able to understand it. Terri and Paige hated her song in Cabaret, and Jimmy looked a bit uncomfortable when she was singing in Dressed In Black. I think Craig is the only one who really appreciates that side of her. He's the only one who really understands and respects her for it. Then there's Craig, who pretty much lives for music right now. It's pretty much a dream come true for him to have a girl who is as passionate and understanding of it as he is. He's only ever been able to truly express his feelings to her through music. But it's not he's good at doing it any other way. And Ashley is the only one who could really appreciate that. So music may be a very important part of their foundation, but it's an important part of the characters individually, too. - Melanie}

{Despite all the angst, it's clear that they both loved/love each other. - Lindsey}

{I think it's what Melissa and Jake bring to Crash. The actors have a real understanding of their characters and that makes them very relatable. Both actors have such a great emotional range and it's great to watch them play off each other. They have this amazing energy. Jake said that sometimes it felt so real and you can feel that. It just seems real. I love seeing Crash at their happiest and then at their lowest, you only get that range when you have so much passion for someone. Crash makes you love them for all their faults and their strengths. Their eye contact is another thing that defines Crash. It gives off this impression that they have a heartfelt connection, that they know each other so well, and are so comfortable around each other. I think the eye contact helps make them a believable couple. Their body language makes them seem at ease with each other too. - Nicole}

{I actually don't think there are many REALISTIC angsty couples on TV. I love a lot of young adult shows, but there's usually some soap operaesque feel to certain plots. I feel like CrAsh is more down-to-earth as they struggle with things that are more authentic, though intriguing, like child abuse, alienation, and how a couple deals with mental illness together. Actually, I haven't seen that topic covered as nicely as it was here. - Nikki}

{They are different because they are a couple that doesn't have a lot of those "Omg they are so cute" scenes like a lot of relationships that portray middle school/high school have. I can actually picture them lasting long term then some of the other couples. Plus they dealt with some tough real issues that just made their bond stronger. - Ria}

{For one I don't think they are the easiest couple to ship. Their relationships has had a lot of ups and downs and sometimes the downs seem to be unbearable, but those few and between ups that they no matter how small they are truly make them a great ship. - Leigh}

{I think they have amazing chemistry that not many people have, I think they are comfortable with each other and have the ability to be friends and lovers at the same time, you can tell that they are best friends and also have that love for each other that just shines through. They balance each other out and also have the ability to be angsty and fluffy and I think that's great, they bring so much to the show and it's just not he same without them. - Katie}

{They are both into music and it effects there lives so much, and they share that, but they connect on so many more levels then that. - Callie}

{There are so many things about Crash that set them apart, not only from other Degrassi couples, but from other television couples as a whole. They have the perfect combination of friendship and romantic involvement. When they are together, there is an ease and comfort that makes it seem as though they have known each other all their lives. This is matched with an obvious yearning that the two have for each other. The eye contact says it all. The way they are constantly staring into each other's eyes infers a desire, a need to be together. The realism that they bring to the show is another aspect that makes their relationship so special. They have a comfort level that is most likely due in part to Melissa and Jake's friendship. This comfort level and ease allows them to share moments where they are able to communicate in a way that is nothing short of kismet. Not only do they get each other more than anyone else on the show, but their love is so strong and powerful, it has the tendency to overwhelm them. One of the biggest negatives that they have as a couple is that they almost love each other too much. Can that really be qualified as a fault though? The love they have for each other is simply awe-inspiring. - Jen}

{They bring a very different and real vibe to the show. They're the only couple, for me, on tv that I am willing to actually put hexes on the writers for splitting up. That's gotta mean something, right? - Teeka}

{C: Hey! What you got in here?
A: Every shoe I own. Hey. *They kiss* You know I thought this whole goodbye thing was gonna be so hard.
I'm so glad you're here and you surprised me}

+Going Down the Road

What is one thing you would change about how their relationship ended?

{The fact that it ended, period. - Teeka}

{I don't like how Venus was handled. It was obvious that TPTB wanted Crash swept under the rug so they could quickly build up more romantic drama and did it with a hasty email to Ellie. I don't like what happened with Ashley's character in that episode. I wish that we could have gotten an actual break up scene, or some reaction from Ashley about Craig running away in GDTR. I imagine Ashley would feel guilty about him running away; is it possible that she felt like she was the trigger to his relapse? I just want more reflection about Craig's relapse, including his reaction. Their journals were revealing and it would be nice to see something like that be said to each other. - Nicole}

{Um the whole thing. The way Ashley left was an awful send off, even if it was for a season. - Callie}

{Well first of all, I wouldn't have craig buy the ticket, I would have had craig talk to ash about going to london with her or had him be totally supportive of her like in the GDTR deleted scene and I definitly wouldn't have had ash send the email to ellie, I would have had ash call craig herself and tell him that she was staying in london and that she still loved him but she wanted to do something for herself. most of all, I would have rather her come back from london and have them talk and agree to just be friends but with some obvious feelings underneath. - Katie}

{Well, I would give Ashley a more realistic/in character write off. If I could change anything, I'd even put Melissa in the episode and maybe make it heartfelt and she didn't want to leave him, but she had to for some reason. -Lindsey}

{The e-mail. It didn't sound true to the character of Ashley, and I thought it was a cop-out. A face to face conversation would've been more satisfying, with her character left intact. - Nikki}

{Why Ash stayed in England and that stupid email that she NEVER would have wrote. Ash could have had a million other reasons to stay their, and they chose to have it where she stayed for a guy. That's great Degrassi writers, that's for nothing. Utter crap ending. - Ria}

{Make Ashley's reasons for staying in England more realistic for her character, have it less focused on Ellie's perspective and more on Craig's, and I don't know, maybe have Ashley actually call or send Craig the email. Those are the only ways I can see them being able to fix it. - Melanie}

{I understand that they needed a way for Melissa to leave the show and Going down the Road was definitely an angst-filled episode worthy of being Crash's final episode. Venus, unfortunately, is where things took a downwards spiral. To have Ashley stay in London, not for her father or for music or for education, but to have her leave Craig to be with another guy, was insulting to the fans and completely out of Ashley's character. If I could change one thing about their ending it would be to have had Ashley stay in London for another reason that was not so harmful and negative to the Crash relationship. I would have chosen an ending that laid hope for the future, peace of mind for Craig and was believable for the character of Ashley. - Jen}

{I wouldn't have Ashley stay in England for a guy. It would make more since for her to stay there to spend time with her father or something. I would at least have her end the relationship over the telephone instead of an email to Ellie. - Leigh}

{You are everything Ash}
+Craig in Voices Carry interview with Jake Epstein:
Which girl would you pick? Can you tell me?

Jake: Personally? Ashley. I mean, honestly, I never understood the Manny/Craig relationship. I just think the two characters wouldn't go well together in real life. podcast with Jake Epstein:
So the question I'm sure you've been asked a million times: If it were you, Jake Epstein,
choosing between the characters of Manny, Ellie, or Ashley, who would it be?

Jake: That's a good question. I would say Ashley. I always liked the character Ashley, from the beginning.
Cause I think I related to her, with all the music stuff and the kinda goth phase she went through. I'd say Ashley!

More from our honorary Angsty Artist.
During the On The Set For Bust A Move Part 2:

Jake: I've said from the beginning that he should end up with Ashley. Cause I think they are the most alike. Ellie was fully supporting Craig. With Ashley it is felt sort of both ways. He was supporting her and her music too. Manny was just for play man.

Exec Post:

{"I got a great Crash package in the mail a while back
with 60 reasons for Craig and Ashley to be together,
including 60 individually wrapped reasons--
which we've hung up on the wall leading to the studio
and the cafeteria so all the writers and actors can check them out!!"}

To Whom It May Concern,
This is a project put together by fans of the Craig and Ashley relationship from the Degrassi board at, in order to make known that we are standing by the couple and would like to see more of their story. Enclosed in this package is 64 bags, one for each thread the fans (The Angsty Artists) have on the forum, with plastic rings and a slip of paper with one of our thread titles along with a quote from fans that have signed the petition we created for our CrAsh (found at this address: Petition Spot - Make Free Online Petitions. The bags are intended to be reminiscent of how Craig kept the ring he proposed to Ashley with in Voices Carry; the episode originally aired in November, thus the reason we are sending it now. Granted, we are not sure what your plans are for the future, but please keep the Craig/Ashley relationship in mind. Many fans feel that they were not given proper closure, especially given the gravity of their history and love. Their relationship has meant a lot to us, and what follows is a series of testimonies from the fans that frequent the Angsty Artists thread at Fan Forum.

Dear Stephen Stohn (or To Whom It May Concern),

Like Craig gave Ashley (Should I Stay or Should I Go?), here are a dozen roses. Each one of these roses represents a significant Crash-related episode. We, the fans, are so incredibly thankful for the amazing episodes and storylines devoted to Craig and Ashley’s relationship, so here is a token of our appreciation.

It has been months in the making, but we are finally ready to showcase our support for Craig & Ashley the best way we know how. In our 100th thread you will find fanart, fan-made music videos, fanfiction, in-depth discussions and analyses of the couple and their characters, a soundtrack with songs suiting Craig and Ashley, top Crash moments voted on by the fans, a “what if Craig and Ashley got married” section, a Joey/Caitlin and Craig/Ashley parallels section and so much more. We have poured our hearts and souls into this project and we would love for you or any of the Degrassi: The Next Generation staff to come on July 11th and celebrate our work with us.

The Angsty Artists

Exec Post!!

From: Stephen Stohn

Subject: RE: Question about Crash package sent

Body: Now I remember, yes absolutely!!! Haven't seen Jake since saying goodbye to him
at the airport when the gang were on their way to Kenya, but when I next see him and/or
Melissa I'll be sure to bring the package to their attention!!!
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Current Angsty Artists Projects

Currently we are planning on a special project to send to the executive producer. We just want to let him, Jake, and Melissa know how much we appreciated the direction Crash took in Season 7 and let them know how much this couple means to us. The current plan is to create Crash's first collaborative CD cover/insert art. Inside this CD booklet, we're including some of the most memorable things said in our thread about the power couple.

click here for more photos!


Vote for your top five kisses now!
The top two to win for the boardwide kiss survivor was Goin' Down the Road (parting kiss before Ashley heads off to England) and Neutron Dance (Craig chases Ashley after she exits the studio, says that the recording studio would always be there but he wasn't sure she would be).

Ideas for future AA rankings: favorite cuddle!crash moments, favorite obscure or underrated moments/caps, moments where they were obviously the power couple of Degrassi Community School, favorite unique qualities about them.

Previous AA rankings:
Top Five Angsty Moments, Top Five Eye Sex Moments, and the The Top 10 Squee-Worthy Moments.

Title suggestions:
Because their love is stronger than the wind.
Because people can't help, but express their feelings for Crash on MySpace.
Because he rocked Ashley senseless.
Because pirate Craig will slap anyone to save Ashley
Because "it's a boy".
Because they'll never forget their Degrassi roots.
Because silhouettes shape couple greatness.
Because no matter what, we will be Crash fans.
Because Crash is at the top of Melinda's Degrassi ship list.
Because Action loves Crash and misses Ashley too.

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Yeah so back from that tweet where Stohn said we were so faithful & the combination of me listening to Glee's version of Faithfully repeated = this title. Simple, to-the-point, works for us as fans & Crash..because Craig would NEVER cheat on Ashley again
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Thanks for the new thread.
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Bells chime, I know I gotta get away

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I like the title.

They say that the road
Ain't no place to start a family
Right down the line
Its been you and me
And lovin a music man
Ain't always what its supposed to be
Oh girl you stand by me
I'm forever yours...faithfully

Reminds me of the Crash mini!

And being apart ain't easy
On this love affair
Two strangers learn to fall in love again
I get the joy
Of rediscovering you
Oh girl, you stand by me
I'm forever yours...faithfully

Also sounds like our pairing! Or what we'd ideally like to see on our screens again.
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i love this title!

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Woo us!! How long has it been since a new thread??

The title is too sweet!!! I would be so happy if Craig or Ashley said that to each other on the show.

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Oh, no. Glee's Faithfully makes me cry everytime.

Thanks, Jen.

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Wait...did Nicole say she didn't work on the new OP stuff either? Because I've been busy and I had some other OP stuff to work on that had a due date. But I promise to get some stuff done when things calm down, my new job is helping either.

And yes I am going to start the CrAsh tumblr. Does it mean that you guys don't watch ****yeahcraigandashley? I just thought it would be easier to find because that's what everyone does
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lol I'm cool with whatever the title is as long as we have a Tumblr!

They say that the road
Ain't no place to start a family
Right down the line
Its been you and me

I love these lyrics for Crash. I wonder what life would be like after Ashley announced she was pregnant with Baby Boy Kerwin-Manning...I could see Craig being waayyy overprotective and Ashley putting her foot down and insisting that she continues performing until the very last minute
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Did we ever decide what Unnamed Baby Boy's name would be?

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page 4..

and i need to watch what seems to be one of the most controversial episodes ever!

i wonder if i'll hate HJ/D after, i've heard about the ep but i need to watch to make my own decision..

anyways, Crash is always awesome!

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I watched the last episode with my sister. After the first scene she says "Declan is just like Craig!" because of his creepiness. I know the writers were trying to make Declan the new controversial heartthrob that Craig was, but I didn't fall for it.

Craig and Ashley could run circles around these new couples. I still think their connection ran deeper than all of these other superficial high school relationships.

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Ugh don't compare Craig to Declan! That's all I'll say about that.

Anyway...interesting tweet from Stohn today about how Stacie Mistysyn and Jake were at Epitome today. I doubt they were filming anything...I think filming episodes wrapped didn't it? Or they are just shooting minis now. Maybe we should start a rumor that Caitlin/Craig is happening. OMG I think I would die...from joy.

Anyway I think Stohn is experiencing some memory loss because he couldn't remember if they had scenes together. Did Kevin Smith completely brainwash him and thus he's forgotten Caitlin was basically Craig's stepmother?

I think this was their first scene together:
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