Bethany Joy - The Romantics {N♥H} #57: Their love will help them overcome any obstacle! - Page 5

arete69 · 09-30-2009, 07:27 PM

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Why is everyone surprised at the lack of kissing? LOL. In S6, they had a quick peck in 6.01 than nothing at all until 6.06! LOL and this was when they had no drama! This is just the way the show rolls. Unless NH is trying to get back together (S3, S5 bedroom kiss) or the fans demand more action (bathroom sex, second half S6) than it’s just small kisses here and there. It wasn’t as bad S1-4, but since than, S5-S7 has been like OTH exists in a bollywood movie.

I’ve come to the acceptance stage, but only if we get other stuff and good material for the JLs. Plus I want to see them act like a married couple like in 7.01 (second half of S6) and not like second half of S5 where every time they talked they were like standing 2 meters away. LOL.

I just had to say agreed. Not to sound anti NH I promise, but your icon shows it plainly. Haley and Clay were physically closer together in that one innocent scene than NH during the entire episode. Nathan and Haley are married! It would be nice to get something that references that. I'm not even demanding more action, just how about longer than two sentence talks and eye glances. So far S.7 is not so well showing this couple, except maybe the first ep. They have that beautiful yard now. Use it. Give them something, lol.

SarMil23 · 09-30-2009, 08:14 PM

[quote=arete69;39911777] Haley and Clay were physically closer together in that one innocent scene than NH during the entire episode. Nathan and Haley are married! It would be nice to get something that references that.QUOTE]

i completly agree with you, they just need to make them more affectionate.

LHScott · 09-30-2009, 09:16 PM

You don’t sound anti NH Mara, not at all. I love NH, they are IT for each other, they love each other ect, no doubt about it, but sometimes the writing is not always in depth and balanced (sometimes, not always because they do have some wonderfully written scenes). Again I love NH, but that doesn’t mean I’m blind to things I see can be improved upon. For this episode I was ok with the lack of affection, I understood it and it’s way too early for me to be saying that NH won’t be affectionate this season LOL. But I will say there are certain things I want to see as the season and story arcs progress.

Firstly I need more balance in scenes written by the writers. In S6, I saw far too much Haley supporting Nathan, and not the other way round. I’m not saying Nate doesn’t support Haley because of course he does, but again the writers need to also show us & not in just quick, short sentences. They can show us by creating situations where Nathan is there for her and than having long scenes of emotional dialogue and comfort. Last season Nathan doubted himself over making the NBA, Haley reminded him every ep how much she and Jamie love him and how no what they will always be there for him. She even dragged him into the bathroom reminding him that he still does it for her. They were on the couch, and Haley kissed him before taking him to Jamie’s room to remind him that he is still their son’s hero. I need some of this for Haley too. Last season with NC, they skipped the comfort (we got a slap on the back, literally), with Q’s death, again Haley went up to him and hugged him, and during the funeral they did not touch once. I know people deal with death differently, but when Keith died, they had sex; Nate even took her to the park and told her he couldn’t imagine life without her. What happened to that Naley? The writers need to go back to writing more in depth and heartfelt scenes that are balanced. I know during the USO concert Nathan gave her some encouraging words, and she performed for him at the end. But he needed to be there, cheering her on instead of the writers making up an excuse so he could stay back and talk about his comeback with Q. She was nervous; he should have calmed her down more. So it’s the little things like that which annoyed me last season that I need to see improvements from this season.

Already I am seeing huge improvements; this storyline is loads better than the way NC was handled. Also in the first ep he was massaging her feet, they were acting all couply, and I loved seeing that. I know with the groupie they are going through internal struggles and they need to deal with that first and than comfort each other, but in this storyline I really need Nate to step up. Sometimes I don’t feel like NH are on the same level, I feel like Haley is the one always mostly stepping up. She’s the one mostly initiating things.

arete69 · 09-30-2009, 10:11 PM

Agree with a lot you said again. ^

For me, I always watched this show for more than NH. Now, with no Lucas, and the weirdest Dan I've ever seen, I think I'm almost solely watching for NH. And of course Jamie. And I am liking Quinn and Clay actually. So maybe more, lol.

I just have to look at it this way. When Nathan found out about the pictures etc. we got long scenes with him and Clay. We have gotten great scenes with them. Why did the show pass up the scenes with NH though, and Jamie? Two times they could have shown the emotions going through this family right now, and they passed it up. I don't mind this storyline at all. I know NH will be fine through it and yeah we'll probably get some drama. Bring us inside this story though OTH. Make me feel it. Make me care that I don't mind the middle part. It's almost like they keep rushing through every drama thinking we'll be all happy when it's over, but every time it's like we've missed something. It's like we walked out during the commercial and missed a crucial scene. And that kept us from emotionally connecting the way we could have to the storyline.

I agree with all you said about the ways NH have been affectionate before, and yes it was in this season's opener, but this last episode just blew it in my opinion. I won't go into the specifics of why, but how I would love seeing Nathan kiss Haley on the forehead like he used to, or any scene of affection. When he went to go tell Jamie, what if they had Haley hold him back for a minute to kiss his cheek or something? What if we got just the tail end at least of NH's conversation that night, when he told her about the pictures, and we could have seen them comfort each other?

And yes, Nathan does need to step up to the plate a lot of times. And I would love to see Haley react to that and Nathan step up. He has improved at least, lol. I don't necessarily want to see them fight, but I want to see them dealing with this. For every scene they gave us of Haley with Quinn and Nathan with Clay, give us one of NH. Don't cut away before the conversation can even happen. It doesn't even have to last that long. In five minutes you can get a lot done as long as you SHOW the feeling.

That's what the show has to do, and that's what I'm hoping they'll do. They've already missed the ball with some of this story so I just hope they'll figure it out as it goes on. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they come up with something great. So I hope they'll do that soon.

For now the NH scenes in 7.1 were definitely special and...I still want to see them enjoy more of that yard, lol. It's a beautiful yard.

LHScott · 09-30-2009, 10:29 PM

^ Great post.

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Bring us inside this story though OTH. Make me feel it. Make me care that I don't mind the middle part. It's almost like they keep rushing through every drama thinking we'll be all happy when it's over, but every time it's like we've missed something. It's like we walked out during the commercial and missed a crucial scene. And that kept us from emotionally connecting the way we could have to the storyline.

THIS.

It’s still only one ep so I’m still hoping we will get more in depth NH scenes. We need to get them; if we don’t than this really doesn’t make it any different from past storylines where the drama has just existed for the sake of it.

As of now I’m a very satisfied Haley & even OTH fan. I love all her scenes; I love her with Quinn, with Jamie, with Clay, with Miranda, with Brooke being supported by her friends. This season I’ve enjoyed so far because of that…but I need more for NH.

arete69 · 09-30-2009, 10:45 PM

Your positive attitude about all of this is really refreshing and welcome. For now, I'm expecting a lot, but I always come back to this show and it always touches me in some way, so I'm sure it will continue to do that. I like looking at it from different from points of view though. It's a great show for discussing and NH just always get me. I think they'll always be one of my favorite TV couples because wtih every avenue this show could have taken them down, they did manage to write them in some really unique ways. Gave them something you rarely see for a couple that starts out as teens. So we'll see how this one plays out now that they're beyond teens.

But yeah, Haley is getting a real storyline on her own this time, and for that I congratulate OTH. It's fascinating to see.

LHScott · 09-30-2009, 10:49 PM

Maybe I’m asking too much, but I just want to be a satisfied Haley and NH fan, at the same time. I feel bad for complaining since this storyline is still in the early phase, and Haley is getting great screen time and storyline (which I’m thrilled for, nothing I wanted more than that), but I want all this drama to be for a reason, you know. I wanted drama for NH because I hoped it would mean lots of scenes for them.

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Your positive attitude about all of this is really refreshing and welcome. For now, I'm expecting a lot, but I always come back to this show and it always touches me in some way, so I'm sure it will continue to do that. I like looking at it from different from points of view though. It's a great show for discussing and NH just always get me. I think they'll always be one of my favorite TV couples because wtih every avenue this show could have taken them down, they did manage to write them in some really unique ways. Gave them something you rarely see for a couple that starts out as teens. So we'll see how this one plays out now that they're beyond teens.

Thanks and I agree. I enjoy reading your thoughts, it also made me feel better LOL.

ETA:I hope my posts don’t read like I’m upset with Nate LOL. I adore Nathan. He supports Haley and everything he does is motivated by his love for her and Jamie, for their family. It’s the thing I admire the most about him, his whole world is HJ.

My post is more directed at the writers, for them to just write more balanced scenes. I don’t want them to stop showing Hales supporting Nathan, because I love that she’s his rock, the only person he can truly lean on. No, I just want to see more scenes with Haley as focus too. Let her talk to him about her RBR problems, the way he talks to her about his NBA struggles. Just stuff like that and to show Nathan is more proactive as the storyline progresses. Plus the writers need to remember Nathan the character, he was bland outside of Haley last season. In the second ep when he was pissed and called Clay a jackass, I really felt his pain. I need those things to continue and for it to be shown more with Haley (not the jackass calling part obvs LOL).

Kaltrina · 10-01-2009, 05:07 AM

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Oh Kaltrina what a dream! Naley and rain are made for each other

Yea i know, hahah

cant believe it and i never have good dreams really often, thats why i though it was true, lol

i think it was because i was like imagining Naley with this complication and how i want a makeup scene :

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arete69 · 10-01-2009, 10:19 AM

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ETA:I hope my posts don’t read like I’m upset with Nate LOL. I adore Nathan. He supports Haley and everything he does is motivated by his love for her and Jamie, for their family. It’s the thing I admire the most about him, his whole world is HJ.

My post is more directed at the writers, for them to just write more balanced scenes. I don’t want them to stop showing Hales supporting Nathan, because I love that she’s his rock, the only person he can truly lean on. No, I just want to see more scenes with Haley as focus too. Let her talk to him about her RBR problems, the way he talks to her about his NBA struggles. Just stuff like that and to show Nathan is more proactive as the storyline progresses. Plus the writers need to remember Nathan the character, he was bland outside of Haley last season. In the second ep when he was pissed and called Clay a jackass, I really felt his pain. I need those things to continue and for it to be shown more with Haley (not the jackass calling part obvs LOL).

They don't read that way. And a very good point. It's almost a disservice sometimes to Nathan that the stories where someone needs help, it usually is Haley helping him, and not so much the other way around. Because until this season, Haley has not been shown dealing with her own issues much, it feels to us watching, like Nathan's the one always going through something. To me it's like they make Nathan the screw up more often and yet season three when you had Haley sing the song "Halo" just listen to the words. That's someone who feels like everyone thinks she's so great and yet underneath she has her own vulnerablilities. She screws up too, but often the show gives us only one side of when she does or glosses over it, and gives Nathan the dramatic issues. That can unfairly make us feel for Nathan and think that Haley's fine and dandy or that what she's going through isn't that important. The facade of Nathan has the big issues, not Haley, creates a bias. No matter how you feel about either of them, it gives you an unbalanced view.

Balance them, balance their issues and you have a couple really relating.

I'm intrigued though by what Haley said to Quinn the first episode I think it was. It's almost like she's not quite content right now. Something's nagging at her and if they show her deal with that with Nathan, and not just gloss over it, but give us a reason to why she sounded that way with Quinn, that will really balance out everything that's going on with Nathan. This season the show has given her issues that are her own, and that's big, but to mix that in with Nathan would be huge for this show and something that I hope they'll do.

LHScott · 10-01-2009, 05:31 PM

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Balance them, balance their issues and you have a couple really relating.

Well said.

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I'm intrigued though by what Haley said to Quinn the first episode I think it was. It's almost like she's not quite content right now. Something's nagging at her and if they show her deal with that with Nathan, and not just gloss over it, but give us a reason to why she sounded that way with Quinn, that will really balance out everything that's going on with Nathan. This season the show has given her issues that are her own, and that's big, but to mix that in with Nathan would be huge for this show and something that I hope they'll do.

I’m intrigued too, but now I’m wondering if it was just one line and it won’t be explored further. This is the hope I had for the groupie storyline that NH would realize something is missing with their rich and famous life. Again it’s still early in the story so maybe that’s why we haven’t got it yet, but its things like that, I want NH discussing. I need more substance in their scenes. My problem with the last ep was that I was a bit dispassionate with their scenes. When I think back to the episode the NH scenes were just there, I don’t remember them much. I did like that we got to hear what Hales thought of the pics, but than she just said they look bad, you should know that and walked away. I think we should have heard his response back to her. I did feel for Haley and seeing her speak with others, I did feel Nate’s anguish, but I did not feel their scenes together. Not their fault, it was way too short and mostly Haley did the talking. I did like the last scene when Nate turns round to look at Haley before going to Jamie, but I was left wondering why Haley didn’t go with him.

Sometimes I think the way I feel after watching their scenes is the point. For instance while Haley believes Nathan, there’s still a bit of distance between them because of the situation, they feel uneasy so we are meant to take that from their scenes. At the end scene they were standing apart, Nate has his arms crossed & Haley had hers on her hips, I felt a distance between. But maybe that’s intentional? Maybe in this ep we are meant to come away feeling that there’s still some tension in the air between them, and that as the story develops that tension will evaporate (or explode) and NH will come together more, both physically (with the affection) and emotionally (with them fighting Renee together and comforting each other).

Peyton Scott · 10-01-2009, 08:06 PM

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Haley and Clay were physically closer together in that one innocent scene than NH during the entire episode. Nathan and Haley are married! It would be nice to get something that references that.

Thank you! I know it`s completely early in the Season to be complaining but this is how it`s always been with Naley. I was especially aggravated about the last episode because the really did not have a proper conversation.

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The writers need to go back to writing more in depth and heartfelt scenes that are balanced.

This bothers me the most about the writers. So many episodes and not only NH scenes have been written where in some situations we are left to infer what happened. Like they rarely fully resolve a situation before moving on to the next SL. I hate that.

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My post is more directed at the writers, for them to just write more balanced scenes.

And when the fans are not happy and complain about it, Mark miraculously tries to placate us.

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I’m intrigued too, but now I’m wondering if it was just one line and it won’t be explored further.

So far I can`t complain really. The drama with the whore has been lasting quite a episodes so I`m hopeful that a lot more will unfold. I would like to think that Naley will sit down and have a proper conversation about everything. Maybe in the episode after she gets out of jail. I just really want to see that closeness between them again.

**killed the lights** · 10-01-2009, 08:51 PM

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I was especially aggravated about the last episode because the really did not have a proper conversation.

True, but it's also more conversation than NH have had since season 3, that's a step up.

I guess I'm just happy that the writers are trying. I mean yeah, I wish NH would have talked more, or they would have shown them talking instead of leaving it up to the audience to imagine. But compared to season 4, 5, and 6, this is more talking than NH have done. I guess when you compare this conversation to most of the others in the past 3 seasons, it's golden, LOL.

LHScott · 10-01-2009, 10:02 PM

I still remember when they panned away from NH discussing the birth control issue in S3 at school. LOL. I guess it’s to be expected with this show. We should just count our lucky stars that Nate told her quickly and we got to see Haley’s POV.

The writers are trying; I do give them some credit. But this show has become too choppy, too much short scenes and too much unnecessary scenes (Skills/Jamie) at the expense of others. But I guess it’s been like this for years, so why change now?

arete69 · 10-01-2009, 10:30 PM

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Sometimes I think the way I feel after watching their scenes is the point. For instance while Haley believes Nathan, there’s still a bit of distance between them because of the situation, they feel uneasy so we are meant to take that from their scenes. At the end scene they were standing apart, Nate has his arms crossed & Haley had hers on her hips, I felt a distance between. But maybe that’s intentional? Maybe in this ep we are meant to come away feeling that there’s still some tension in the air between them, and that as the story develops that tension will evaporate (or explode) and NH will come together more, both physically (with the affection) and emotionally (with them fighting Renee together and comforting each other).

Is that enough though? I don't know. If they're trying to give us distance and tension, that's fine. I agree with you. That is noticeable and probably part of what they're trying to show. But increase the length of the scenes then so we don't feel that as soon as the scene starts turning to something substantial, it's over.

To your point about Jamie, I think I know why Haley didn't go with Nathan to tell him, and it has to do with what you're saying. This is still too much for her, and Haley rarely explodes or falls apart visually. Haley always locks it up inside. Lucas, when he was there, was so good at getting her to deal with that. He knew her so well that she would usually break down with him if it was Nathan related because at the time she couldn't yet go to Nathan. She almost always goes to Nathan when she's calm enough again. She rarely falls apart with him, but when she has, it's been huge.

Anyway, to me Haley loves Nathan and supports him completely, but this has to be killing her in some ways. The pictures are so invasive to this family because she's Nathan's wife, she had his son, and this is her family. She went through all that with bringing their child into the world. Now she sees these pictures and it's time to tell Jamie, and I think she just thinks it's Nathan's responsibility and it's too hard for her to explain because she doesn't totally get it. Sure, he can go to game parties, but you know the picture at the party bothers her because he has his arm around someone else, and sure that's innocent, but...it's there. She trusts Nathan and knows nothing happened, but look at where she maybe was while he was at that party.

She's the one at home taking care of their son while he's out on the road. And now he's home and there's these pictures. lol, I'm totally talking around this, but I think it makes a lot of sense why she didn't go with him.

She has yet to really deal with this, internalize what is going on and how it affects her. Haley always puts everyone before herself, but Nathan and her need to sit down and really talk about this in some way, because this is affecting her too. That's what the show needs to give us. If they want to play it this way so far fine, but don't make this just about Nathan and Jamie. This is Haley's storyline too, and how she feels about this should definitely affect Nathan.

PeytonScott, agreed to what you said, I really want to see NH close again. Now if that's going to take time because the story is about them being distant before being close again, that's okay. But I hope they will show us those moments more and give us the kind of conversations you were talking about.

LHScott · 10-01-2009, 10:42 PM

Very good point about Haley Mara,

I can understand that about Haley. But it would be nice if we got more actual indication of it though instead of just having to read between the lines. I love to interpret looks and actions as much as the next person, but if Haley didn’t go with Nathan for all those (plausible) reasons you stated than I wouldn’t mind in the next ep to see more of Haley’s and NH’s struggles with how to talk to Jamie so that we can look back on this ep and connect more with yes this happened because Haley or Nathan felt this way.