Bethany Joy - Episode Discussion 7.07: Joy/Haley in "I and Love and You." - Page 2

the.swiss.cheese · 10-27-2009, 04:59 AM

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I'm pretty sure Brooke/Julian were there because Brooke is a main character on the show. That's just a fact, whether you like her/them or not. You can't not have her, or any of the core three for that matter, in an episode.

Oh, I like Brooke/Julian, but you could tell their scenes were just thrown in, and I didn't like that. It's one thing to write them something compelling because they want to, and it's another thing to just throw them in because you neglected to write them in the episode...

It's just what it felt like. Maybe they were written in, but Mark was more invested in the new. The core three should now get more focus after those reveals... I hope/pray..

**joypiter** · 10-27-2009, 06:56 AM

Well I thought it was a good episode! Not very much Haley but I got what I wanted so overall I was very satisfied! First, Haley looked AHmazing. Loved her dress and hair, just fantastic! Second, I really loved the big and small NH stuff we got. Haley putting a comforting arm around Nathan, Nathan doing the same and when Haley breaks down, GAHHH!! I agree with Brit, reminded me of s4 when she was in the hospital. Joy is just GAH so good, blows me away every single time! And of course it was kinda predictable what would happen but still, I liked it and I think it just goes to show again that NH are a strong couple and stand together through thick and thin.

And of course I gotta chime in with those who said they liked Clay/Sara! GAH I loved their chemistry and I really think they did an excellent job when they picked Rob for the Clay role. It broke my freaking heart when I saw this storyline unfold and the song, Angel Flying Close To the Ground and when Sara said he wouldn't forget her and when she asked about his ring. Wooow goosebumps while tearing up. Incredibly sad!

**UDflyer** · 10-27-2009, 10:42 AM

So, this season continues to amaze me in how much I'm liking it. It really does. Every week I think to myself... Really?! Really?! YAY! LOL.

Great job directing by James. For sure.

Joy/Haley/NH- First off, on the shallow? Joy has looked so beautiful this season, from wardrobe, to hair, to makeup, I really don't even have words anymore. Girl is hot like fire. End.

On to the for reals... Outside of the Clay/Sara stuff, Joy/Haley/NH had my most memorable, poignant, and heartfelt moments. The fab and fierce tour for Joy/Haley continues, I see. LOL.

Still getting one-liners delivered with such a fierce spark... "Screw 'em!" Indeed, Joy. Way to nail that delivery. She is so good at truthful, or blunt, or snarky, or bitchy, OR ALL of those deliveries rolled in to one when it calls for it. She doesn't just say it, she owns it. Down to the eyes, the gestures, the mannerisms. LOVE.

And she was fab in every moment in this episode, too. What I loved was that there was never a moment in this episode where I didn't feel an underlying emotion or tension, or something bubbling with Haley. Her fear for what Dan's show might bring, her support and love of Nathan, her own fear, her own... Played wonderfully by Joy. This was also another episode with great examples of how Joy does the little things that help elevate the material, whether it be how she was so gentle in some of her vocal delivery, given what Haley was playing, which was comforting and supportive, or-. Just so dynamic.

When we got Haley's reaction shot? And, when Haley broke down and cried when Renee admitted she was lying? Done for. You could just feel the relief wash over her, after what had been such a hellish experience for her family. The way Haley just clung to Nathan after that? Down to where you could see Nathan's shirt starting to get slightly bunched in her grasp or under her hand, evs. Clinging to him, indeed. She broke my heart. Joy kills the little things. That is such a perfect example of her doing just the perfect combo of the subtle and the blatant to bring something to life beautifully. I also love how she has different levels of crying, and uses them to fit the scene. Awesome. Such pretty glassy eyes, such a pretty crier in general. LOL.

All of the NH was spot on, and I agree with the other sentiments. These past few episodes have shown us such a balance, and such a good mix of give and take with this couple. When one is weaker or off the rails a bit, the other is there to hold things together for the both of them until the moment has passed and they're both on full go.

They really are each other's rocks, safe place, and home. It's insane. I know sometimes we complain about what they get in terms of intimacy, but... The level of connectedness, intensity, and intimacy NH had going on in this episode was so beautiful and strong, IMO, it was hot, too. I just absolutely buy them. Their history, how invested they've been in their life, how in love they are, everything. There was such a comfort between NH, that just.... Yeah.

There were so few moments when they weren't touching, weren't wrapped up in each other, weren't... I mean, even when they were sitting on the couch in the beginning, the way NH were sitting so close, that half of her body was covered by his, she was wrapped around his arm, and he was holding her leg, and just... It was like the level of oneness and support was on so much high. And, it just seemed so real in how it came to life.

Last week, Nathan was strong and had to be more outwardly unphased in the face of this, because he could tell his girl wasn't going to be the one... LOL. This week, Haley knew she had to be that person, and she was. She knew what to say, when to say it, she was the one making sure everything was handled, she made sure Jamie was occupied and kept away from the show, she... She stayed stuck like glue to him, almost willing him to draw and take some of her strength... LOVE. Umm, and I'm sorry, but NH in their backyard was so intimate in the way she was in his lap and just everything after, it was appreciated, and it was pretty.

Yeah, they didn't get a lot of dialogue or face time, but it was poignant. Every touch, every word. Yup. Every time Haley played with the buttons on his shirt, rubbed his back, rubbed his arm, held his face, or clung to him, yeah... When Nathan rubbed or played with her hands. I love it. NH were doing their thing tonight.

Oh, and one more thing I loved, and then, no more NH talk... LOL.

For me? I think the show was drawing such poignant and rather interesting parallels to the couples surrounding NH's orbit, with Clay and Quinn and their backstory.

Showing how rare it is to not only find a lasting and earth shattering love like NH's love is, how rare it is to stand and fight and persevere, and how rare it is to keep that love alive, and how one little thing can change the course of your entire relationship, your life... With Clay and Sara, they were the forever type of love cut tragically short. And, with Quinn and David, maybe they were too, maybe they still can be, but they didn't stand and fight when differences arose, when things got difficult, when there was conflict, when dreams and real life were pulling them in different directions, which are ALL obstacles NH have faced and then some.

There was such beauty in how that illustration was painted so clearly for NH, culminating with the final poignant shot of the episode, capturing their love. Calmness, in the dark, illuminated by lights in the trees hanging above, wrapped up in each other, sitting by the water, having weathered another storm... Still in love as ever. With the lyrics of the song timed and matched perfectly for their final shot of the episode. I and Love and You being said over their scene. The really are I and Love and You. Such an anchor of that untouchable, undeniable, always love.

On a sidenote to the NH stuff: Dan... I figured that was what had to be coming. He'd never hurt N or NHJ. But! Every season I sit back and say WHY did you make this man a murderer? WHY? Just... Ugh. But, if we didn't know it before, which I think it's been illustrated... Dude is like a twisted guardian watchdog/angel where Nathan(and by extension HJ) are concerned. It has been proven or shown so many times that Dan makes it his business to know what is going on with them, he's always been watching from a distance, or keeping track of them, or whatever, always, always, always ready to come in for the save when NHJ get threatened physically, emotionally, whatever. Dan does not eff around where they are concerned on any day ending with a Y. LOL. With Nathan and NHJ is when I see his humanity.

Clay and Sara- Well, first of all, kudos to Rob. Rob absolutely killed last night. Killed. Every emotion, everything, I felt so horribly for Clay. "On the count of two?" Yeah, Clay and Sara absolutely wrecked me. How good was his/their backstory? I'd say what all I loved, but damns. It was all of it. LOL.

Rob and Amanda have such amazing chemistry. Combine that with a good story? Yeah, they've made it difficult for me to ship anything other than them, in the moment, because, uhh... Nothing else for Clay has compared to their romantic chemistry, or their story.

ZOMG to him laying over her coffin. The wedding ring, too? How he left it with her. How... Gah. Clay is the best introduced new character this show has had in.... Ever? I don't know. A-mazing.

And, for me, while when episode one aired, I thought I was going to be all about Clay and Quinn? Every episode since I've fallen more and more out of love with the idea, and well... This episode pretty much slammed that door shut and locked it for the foreseeable future, as far as I'm concerned. The chemistry lacks in comparison to Clay with ALL others for me, at this point, particularly with Sara, who they had off the charts chem. Awws, and how he called her goof? And how he had to watch her die? Lawdy.

Quinn- I don't really know what to say. I think I'll have to rewatch before I can figure out what-. I just... Left this episode feeling even more horribly for David, whom I really do like, by the way. I don't... I don't know what it is, but... Yeah. I feel just so bad for David. And... While part of that is in portrayal of Quinn, the writing is not helping, either, I'm about convinced. I'm sorry, but- David asked Quinn a few episodes ago if this whole celeb and fancy parties thing was what she was after, because it wasn't her, and Quinn said maybe a little of both! And, then they paint us a backstory where she left a dude, who was trying to give her more and better in life, and... Talk about a flip flop in the writing that does a disservice, when a person is already trying to figure out WTF is up with this Quinn stuff. Oy.

She is a James, show! FIX IT. Make it better. Gah. Killing my spirit. That said, I like Quinn and David. Can they not find their way back? For the foreseeable future, I think I'll only be digging Haley/Quinn scenes, Quinn/David scenes, and Quinn/Jamie. It's quickly become the only time I see chemistry, like, or care about Quinn. I'm still open minded to that changing, and me floving her, but this isn't the day. I'm still so happy Haley's got a sister, though. Yay for that!

Brooke and Julian- I thought what they had was minimal, but I appreciated they had the conversation. I feel like their story had been leading to this type of conversation from the moment Brooke wrote in the sand in episode one. I'm glad that Brooke shared what she was thinking with Julian. I think it was great to see her be honest about her feelings and allow Julian a chance to reassure her. Having said that, I don't know, I feel like we could be in for a bumpy ride with them. Their dialogue was short, but some of what was mentioned or how it was mentioned made me wonder if smooth sailing wasn't exactly in the cards. I guess we'll see.

Randomness- And, in regards to what you guys were saying about the core three? I agree. I think they should be at the foundation of pretty much everything and then the core six(JJSARS). While I think it was necessary they were included, for sure, I think part of why the B and J stuff seemed like a tack on to some extent wasn't because they got scenes, the core three should always have them, it is because their scenes are so in their own world... For me, like, this episode wasn't one of the heaviest Haley episodes, but so much of the show was related to or impacted her life or impacted people close to her, if that makes sense, that it's not as starkly noticeable. I think the same can be said for Nathan, too. Like... I know this show has orbits for the characters, and blah, blah, blah, but this is one of the first episodes where I felt a COMPLETE disconnect with Brooke and Julian in regards to their interrelatedness to the canvas. I think this episode so highlighted just how much Brooke and Julian aren't consistently tied to the CORE remaining characters, and for me, it emphasized just how much their story really is steeped and built with recurring characters, guest characters, and yes, regulars, but regulars that aren't part of the original core(JJS) that are left, or now the core six(JJSARS). I always knew it, but the way they showed and used them in this particular episode drove that home so hard. When the show goes to stripped down mode... Once Millie, Alex, Daphne, and Co. aren't around, and we get down to the heart of it... B and J were the only core peeps on the canvas who didn't mention talking to, didn't see, didn't have anything to do with, didn't know about?, didn't ANYTHING with the other core peeps in Tree Hill. And, furthermore, the other core people didn't mention them, either. It was an interesting picture the show painted with Brooke's orbit vs NH's, where Clay had been in phone communication with NH, Quinn went to see Clay, Quinn was tied to NH and there with them, sharing scenes... Dan(and Rachel) were totally linked and tied to the NH stuff. And then there was Brooke and Julian. I think that's why it may have been so noticeable. Not just because of the screen time, but also just because it was shown just how much their story is built in and with other characters, who happened not to be on in this episode.

ky16 · 10-27-2009, 03:43 PM

Haley/NH:I know there wasn't a whole lot of Haley in the episode but what we did get was pretty good. I loved seeing Haley as the strong one this episode, seeing her being Nathan's rock like he was for her last week. I also thought her reaction once Renee admitted to the lie was perfect, just a huge weight being lifted off her shoulders.

I really loved the simple NH touches throughout the episode. It was nice to see them so together and strong. I loved Haley "Screw them!" line and Nathan's reaction to it. So feisty and perfect.

On a shallow note, how amazing did Joy look this episode? I loved everything about that outfit, the colour, the accessories...just everything. I continue to be amazed that she can also be such a pretty crier. People aren't suppose to still look good when they're full on crying but some how she always manages.

Clay/Sara:

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Rob and Amanda have such amazing chemistry. Combine that with a good story? Yeah, they've made it difficult for me to ship anything other than them, in the moment, because, uhh... Nothing else for Clay has compared to their romantic chemistry, or their story.

This! I completely agree. I really didn't expect to fall so easily for this couple especially because I knew they would never be but my goodness they were phenomenal. The way they've introduced Clay has been wonderful, his connections to N, H and J, and his slow built back story. I was really blown away this episode by the character and relationship. Clay is easily my favourit new character on this show....ever.

Overall I really liked the episode. The Haley/NH bits were small but still heartfelt and meaningful and I thought James did a wonderful with directing.

girlyshorty85 · 10-27-2009, 08:11 PM

Haley/NH: They was amazing even they was trying to be so strong for each other.. Also, I just love when Haley just relief until she just breakdown in his arm that remind me when she hear their son's heartbeat for first time.. I'm loving them more and more..

Clay/Sara: OMFG.. They got me bawling like a baby.. Gosh, I never felt like that for ONE episode when it come to them.. It was so breathtaking, but so heartbreaking to see how much they was in love.. Also, Sara is version of Haley because the way she told Clay that she's not going anywhere like they are version of NH if anything happen to NH like that.. At end of episode before we saw the flashback on the day he buried his wife.. I just love when she said to Clay that "You were perfect for me. And always will be." or "We burned so bright".. I can't believe that I ship them when Clay told her about "on the count of 2".. Who know that one episode that so many people ship them already.. <33

Dan: I love what Dan did, but at first, I was freaking SHOCK when Dan asked her that is Nathan Scott father of her child and she say yes until we saw on screen that say "TRUE" then gone to commercial.. I was so piss off and cussing before I want to know what happen for real until Dan put on himself.. I just chill out..

.. That was pretty tricky what he did...

Looking forward to see the next one..

WildcatNaleyFan · 10-28-2009, 09:43 AM

I was so afraid I wasn't going to say this BUT… SEVEN FOR SEVEN!

I had the WORSE day at work all of Tuesday. I was doing this huge countdown which I haven't done in a few years (haha). Before I went off to work/school, I went on this thread and (as I always do) read until the first post that reveals something about the episode (because I'm weird like that =P), and read that there wasn't a lot of Haley/Naley scenes. So I had eleven hours to prepare myself for that.

By the time I sat to watch the episode, I was excited to see the Clay/Sara and Quinn/David backstory as well… I guess that's why I was never really disappointed with not getting so much of our couple or our girl.

The episode was absolutely perfect! Props to James because the episode just FLOWED and the underlying tone was so strong. And for him to create that as a director… just phenomenal. And Mark… as much as I dislike the guy as a creator, he is definitely a very talented writer.

I cried five times

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I adored, like everyone else, the touches between N/H and how they were both there for one another. And how Haley said "screw him" when Nathan began venting. But unlike everyone, I was like "NO!" once she offered to not watch. Haha. I mean I understand it and completely agree … but I read spoilers so I knew that most likely, Dan was going to reveal Renee's lies during the show and I REALLY wanted to see NH's reaction when Renee finally admits to lying or someone proves it. (And, as we saw later, it was truly phenomenal when they did find out!). I love that Nathan asked her how she could be so strong

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There were some great one-liners! One that I love is when Rachel (this is shocking for me considering how much I dislike her =P ), but when she tells Renee "If it's all a lie, then the truth will come out when the baby's born. If it's true you have nothing to worry about. Oh, and don't forget to smile!" hehehe. That just made me laugh. And I LOVED when Sara was giving the list to Clay and completely copying his reply to each girl "Blondie from the body spray commercial" "She has a name you know. It's Kaylie" (cue copy-Nathan =P) "Of course it is. Then there's the actress that can be in your bed in twenty minutes. Make it thirty!" lol. Sorry… I just loved that.

I think Dan was great during the entire episode. Paul Johansson just BRINGS IT! Which brings me to the first time that I cried… when Dan hooks himself to the lie-detector… that was just heart-breaking! First he says "My name is Dan Scott". Then "I love my wife, Rachel" (btw, I think he doesn't. Because later she says "I love you" and he says "I know". I think that's when Rachel understood this was a lie). Then "My son, Nathan, loves me" (that's when I was like: aww! You so wish he would). And that's when Renee began to understand this was a lie (because of her conversation with him before the eppy). Then the obvious "I'm President of the United States. I'm Santa Clause". And then, when the tears covered my eyes "I didn't kill my brother". Because he said it with such certainty. And you know that more than anything, he wishes it was true. That Nathan loves him and that he didn't kill Keith.

The second time I cried was when Renee said she didn't sleep with Nathan and Haley just broke down. After everything she's been through… after everything Nathan went through and everything their son had to go through… after being SO stressed out and strung up for so long, the nightmare was over. Everything that went away the second Renee said "No", Joy was able to convey it perfectly. After holding it in for so long, Haley finally could let it out.

In order to say the other three times I cried, I need to begin talking about Sara/Clay. Lol.
I know that last week I said that I hoped they would've cast someone else for Sara, but I completely take it back. They were perfect. Them meeting at college was so incredibly sweet, and how they did it and how they helped each other through it (on the count of two

). After seeing the way she died and their complete story, I can't listen to "Belle of the Boulevard" without tearing up. I listened to the songs that played in the episode during work and listened three times through, and cried all three times… haha… while organizing the salad bar =P. I'm lame.
As a feminist, the fact that Sara proposed was absolutely crazy amazing for me! Haha. I loved that. And I loved that it was casual and not this incredibly romantic gesture (though I tend to love the more over-the-top proposals or special moments =P … but they played it so well! And it was just so Sara/Clay!) I love when Sara was saying that Clay should represent only good guys with good hearts that could become his friends. I was like "Hell's yes for Nathan!"

Since I knew Sara was a ghost, I prepared myself for her to die. But it was still so tragic! Even though I saw it coming, I couldn't help myself and cried for the third time that episode… haha. And it was so out-of-the-blue. I think I'll be paranoid now about people dying out of nowehre.

. I thought that maybe Sara was going to tell him she had cancer or that she'd be killed in our seasonal OTH car crashes (

). And that song they were dancing to

. Loved it! And if you listen to the lyrics it really foreshadows her death. So tragic.
Then afterwards when he tells her that he forgets some things about her sometimes. (*sigh*). In every story involving a death, there's that part to the story and it always gets to me. It's hard enough to not have the person with you whether or not you knew you were going to lose them… but to lose some of the things you wished you could have forever. To forget the little things… how they smelled, little gestures they made. It's just heart-breaking.
By this point in the episode I was sure I was going to be done crying. Kind of like "Okay, it's over now. No reason to be sad no more!" but then Sara had to go and tell him "You were perfect for me. We shone so bright"

. I just got teary-eyed writing that. Not to mention that Clay said it wasn't fair and that she was taken away from him too soon. It's just not fair! They DESERVED that love forever. Their storyline just killed me. And even moreso that I think how they parallel NH… how Sara is Clay's Haley. And that if Nathan ever lost Haley the way Clay did, I don't think I could wake up in the morning

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I was expecting so much more from the Quinn/David. I thought that David was going to be completely different. But even when he was poor he wasn't like "I'm happy now! Even if we're poor". He always wanted to be well-off. Or just well-off enough to provide for her. So he didn't change, he was just happier that he got to that place. I think that he was never the guy she thought he was. I agree with Quinn about something… I, too, romanticize the whole "We're poor but we're making it through this because our love is so strong". But David never felt that way. He was always like "I love you. You deserve better. And I'm going to get it for you". Quinn's more of a dreamer, which is the way I am, too. That's why I disagree with all the Quinn hate in here. But she does frustrate me… but in the flashbacks all I saw was a wife that didn't know her husband at all. I don't think David was not okay… but I think Quinn just realized once they were well-off that she didn't know him. And that IS tragic.
But yeah, I agree that she flip-flops too much. Is it the simple-and-struggling-artist-life that she wants? Or is it the celebrity life that she craves? The writers/Quinn really need to pick a side and stick to it.

I don't feel bad for Renee. Sorry. Haha.

I've never cared for Brooke's storylines and yes, I feel like they were very out-of-the-loop this episode. Like they don't belong. I understand why they should've still been in the episode, but I still think that it was very out-of-place.

Wow! I wrote so much about the storylines that weren't NH's… lol. But like I said, and many people here… QD and CS are complete foils of NH. Quinn/David and their broken marriage. They are where NH were in season two… but NH fought for each other and their relationship. They refused to give up. But now that I saw the flashbacks of QD, I think that NH always had the right idea about one another. I can't get over the fact that David saw the person he was as one thing and Quinn as someone completely different (can I just say randomly, how jealous I am of David's screening room? Lol. I WISH!). And Clay is who Nathan would have become if Haley were to die. Their love was so strong, and so pure. And their time together was so tragically cut-off. I just want to cry thinking about it.

Nathan/Haley were absolutely perfect. I'm just so glad for them that this is all over. But I do wish that they would spend some time just the two of them, or even with Jamie… and not go their separate ways with the camping-trip/girls'-night. Every single time after something tragic happens to them, the next episode is as if it's all okay and sunny again (after Carrie's attack on Jamie/Haley and that freaky corn-field anyone?).

I love that Nathan said "I love you my beautiful wife". And I understand what Haley's saying about being young even though they forget sometimes. But I wish they were to do something "young and foolish" together… like the counselor said back in season five. They keep saying that they're not acting their age, and then don't do anything about it. It's really sad

I think that is where I'll stop my insanely long review… but before I just want to say how great it was to not have Millie/Mouth/Chase/Mia/Skills in this episode. That made me happy. Haha.

Damn, my review's as long as Krys'

**Poupa** · 10-28-2009, 09:44 AM

I actually watched a whole episode of OTH? Eek! Didn't do that since long time ago, lol.

It was definitely worth it, though. A real good episode that focused on everyone, and James did a great job. For real. He is growing more and more talented in many aspects in the biz, and he did awesome.

Nathan/Haley: Every NH line, touch & look said so much. Haley's "Screw it" line pwns, and I love how Nathan was always holding Haley close when they were sitting next to eachother, or when she was on his lap <3 Their chemistry is ahmazing, and YAYZ for Renee's crap is over. Nathan/Haley's sigh of relief was breathtaking.

Haley was being s supportive of Nate there, and was trying her best not to let anything break him even more. She was putting up that strong face, letting him lean on her, but the moment they knew Renee was lying, it brokedown, her sigh and tears of relief were moving.
Nathan was most of the time holding on to Haley, like pulling her close, touching her leg, having her on his lap and kissing her. It's like, he is worried that whatever she hears or see can hurt her or pull her away, so he is holding on to her & trying to be her wall that she can lean on too.
I just felt that they said a lot with body language and facial expressions than they did with words, and that is such a chemsitry <3

Clay/Sarah: Their storyline is sad. Poor Clay

They were cute together.

David/Quinn: I think we saw more of why Quinn felt the way she did, even if her actions still aren't the best solution to their problems.

Scheming Star · 10-28-2009, 03:30 PM

I don't think that I have left a review about last episode.

Anyways, wow, just wow. It's very sad episode, obviously. It brings so much emotions out of most of us, I am sure of. Relief, sadness, happy, and touched, etc, etc.

I gotta say something here since Mark said in his interview or whatever clip I was watching few hours before the episode came out, and he said that he cried when he wrote that, since I am not a big fan of his since season four, and I was like scoffing to myself and rolled my eyes knowing that this episode would be nothing, just nothing to make us sad or whatever. But I never knew that he would write such tradgedy to a couple that I happened to fall in love with. It was wow, incredible.

I will start with Clay and Sara, what they had is so beautiful, so beautiful! I started to understand his side of view since I was all about whatever, all agents must be manwhore who like to screw and thrive for fame and money. But man, I never thought that he went so much hell with Sara and to have it ended like that? It was so sad. I cried when Sara encouraged him to go to Quinn, and I want to clarify this, I am not a fan of Clay and Quinn, no offense to whoever is fan of them here, but I am not and I don't think I would. But anyways, even though I didn't like what Sara said about him go to Quinn, but I do feel for him when she encouraged him to go to her. He was so scared, so afraid to have another chance to have his first love erased. Aww, that was so sad. I feel for him. The way he cried for her, aww that broke my heart. I love how he gave her the wedding band and she showed it to him? It just broke my heart even further. They happened to be one I fell in love with from this episode. So awesome. So now I finally got to see Clay in a whole new light and I kept falling in love with him more and more.

I hate to say this but I also understand what David was saying because he was struggling with money and lifestyle with Quinn, but when he finally earned something that he could be able to afford something more than this, he couldn't help himself wanting to flaunt it. I don't know about you guys, he might be a jerk to you, but people out in this world would do exact same thing anyways. I mean dude, if you win one million dollars, would you rather to just keep them all in your bank and stick with this lifestyle? Or would you use them for once? Something to enjoy for once? I am not saying that you should ignore your past and pretend that everything is perfect because it's not but I do understand his point because he said himself that he struggled before, but I also wish that he didn't say those things to Quinn as if their past was nothing but bad. That's not true. He should have apperciated his past but still apperciate what he has right now with her. But Quinn on other hand, she didn't exactly tell him how she felt didn't she? I kinda expected her to confess him that she didn't like this and if he can't change who he is, then she would leave him like she just left him. But apparently it looked like she left him confused and brokenheart? That's something I don't like about her is because she didn't tell him how she felt. She should have said it, and if he did NOT change or try to fix this situation with her, then I would understand this even more.

But it's just she left him hanging there, thinking that there's some hopes for those two, and then to have her running to Clay every time her marriage is on the line? How do I understand it? How do I expect to like them? I mean I don't condone a married woman goes to single guy while lying to her husband about it and leading him on thinking that there's some hopes for those two. I thought this episode would clear up for me, but apparently it's not.

NH part, wow, Paul totally killed most of his scenes. The way he handled it was fantastic! The way he delivered those lines? Wow, he totally rocked those stuff. And he got Renee exactly where he wanted her to be, and Renee confessed that it wasn't Nathan's must be big relief for all of us because that means this whole nightmare is over, so we can finally move on to new storyline that doesn't involve pregnancy, scandal, and whatever that is related to Renee. So I am so glad that whole thing is so over, oh great!

Nathan must be beating himself up over whole show thing, but who wouldn't?! I am so glad that Haley seemed so confident in him because of last episodes with her having some doubts, so despite Renee's lies on the show, she still sticked to Nathan's and comforted him, made sure he knows that she is always there for him and stands by his side is what makes me happy. It shows that NH have trust that can't be broken and I hope that Mark wouldn't taint it even more for future episodes. So anyways, it was great seeing how she cried and hugged him when Renee revealed that everything was just a lie.

Joy rocked when she cried in his arms and when on the porch, I love how she just ran to kiss him and then hugged him like that. So incredible. And they hung on each other for the whole night? Wow, great way to end it. I love it! Joy rocked those scenes with emotions like that. And she also was gorgeous with blue dress and straight hair and more.

Btw, I also wanted to say James did great job directing this episode. Bravo to him!

LHScott · 10-28-2009, 07:36 PM

I'm loving all the reviews in here!

You've all basically summed up my feelings on the ep, I loved it and while I wish there had been more NH/Haley, since we did get quality and the Dan stuff was tied in with them, I can let the lack of screentime go. Besides this season has been amazing for a Haley fan, certainly more than we have gotten in a long time, so no complaints here. All I ask and wish is for it to continue.

NH and Clay/Sara & Dan were the standouts of the ep for me. It was good to see more of David too.