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Yeah, I'll think about it. I might pick a happy fave and another one.

The other day I watched "Our Town" and I didn't remember this, but when Mulder rescued Scully out of the head vice, he did that thing that gets me by looking concerned into her eye and brushing her hair away from her face while asking if she was ok. His concerned expression and gentle touch to her and making sure in the midst of chaos he was treating her with gentleness right there. I totally forgot about that til I saw it.

DD is really good at making me with his way of showing gentleness and concern in his acting!

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Originally Posted by Babybuttoneyes (View Post) Yeah, I'll think about it. I might pick a happy fave and another one. The other day I watched "Our Town" and I didn't remember this, but when Mulder rescued Scully out of the head vice, he did that thing that gets me by looking concerned into her eye and brushing her hair away from her face while asking if she was ok. His concerned expression and gentle touch to her and making sure in the midst of chaos he was treating her with gentleness right there. I totally forgot about that til I saw it. DD is really good at making me with his way of showing gentleness and concern in his acting!

Yes, he is a real heartbreaker
When Mulder started at the FBI, the women must have freaked out. Well before they knew that he was freaky He must have had many date requests. But Scully was the only one who touched his heart.
I love it when he looks at her so intensely. He did also in the newer episodes , in MSI, for example, as they stood on the porch and I melted away.

What I find very exciting about the "Valentines Picture Project" is that you get to know each other better in the forum as you learn what has just touched the other ones at the selected moments.

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Originally Posted by SannraB (View Post) Yes, he is a real heartbreaker When Mulder started at the FBI, the women must have freaked out. Well before they knew that he was freaky

Well Mulder was with Diana when he got into the FBI I'm pretty sure any woman that looked at him twice got Diana's best "bitch, don't even dare" face.

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Originally Posted by Andromedastargazer (View Post) Well Mulder was with Diana when he got into the FBI I'm pretty sure any woman that looked at him twice got Diana's best "bitch, don't even dare" face.

Hmmm...I don't really know. How long have they been together? I know they have been together when he opened TXF.
Mulder and Diana didn't look like a couple. There was not even a glimpse of chemnistry between them and she was so strange and cold. And can't even imagine them as a couple.

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Eh, people like Mulder can end up falling for the "cold" type of people! I should know!

I think Diana and him were together for a year with opening the X-Files. I feel bad for Scully when it came to her, although Scully was able to hold her own with her! It just shook her up a bit initially. The truth of her feelings were coming out to her then!!

Remind us about the picture project again, Sandra when it gets closer.

I'm all stressed out about future survivors right now and gathering and creating that! Never created one before.

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Originally Posted by SannraB (View Post) Hmmm...I don't really know. How long have they been together? I know they have been together when he opened TXF.

I think they were together for more than that I think they were together when he was on violent crimes. In Three of a Kind Mulder is seem wearing a wedding ring and that was before he joined the lone gunmen and they knew Diana as his "chickadee" so my personal theory is that Diana thought Mulder was going to have a rising career in the FBI and pioneer of X-Files but once she figured out that the X-Files had no future divorced him before she left.

Mulder and Diana didn't look like a couple. There was not even a glimpse of chemnistry between them and she was so strange and cold. And can't even imagine them as a couple.

Neither can I. I think that like with Phoebe sex was the bond. Both women seemed to be very sexually assertive and Diana seemed to try to get him back with her assets more than with her personality or shared history. My personal take in Mulder's addiction to porn and his self imposed celibacy is in part at least because his penis kept choosing the wrong women for him so it was safer to keep that aspect away in order to not screw himself again. If you notice during the show more often than not he seems oblivious to women that find him attractive and plainly rejects them when they throw themselves at him. It will also explain why it took him so damn long to realize his physical attraction to Scully.
Of course I also think that he is the type of person that once emotionally bonded with someone doesn't find anyone else attractive in that way but there was something else there for sure, IMO, YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Andromedastargazer (View Post) Neither can I. I think that like with Phoebe sex was the bond. Both women seemed to be very sexually assertive and Diana seemed to try to get him back with her assets more than with her personality or shared history. My personal take in Mulder's addiction to porn and his self imposed celibacy is in part at least because his penis kept choosing the wrong women for him so it was safer to keep that aspect away in order to not screw himself again. If you notice during the show more often than not he seems oblivious to women that find him attractive and plainly rejects them when they throw themselves at him. It will also explain why it took him so damn long to realize his physical attraction to Scully. Of course I also think that he is the type of person that once emotionally bonded with someone doesn't find anyone else attractive in that way but there was something else there for sure, IMO, YMMV.

So you think that Mulder had interest in Diana because she offered herself obviously to him? That it was mainly a physical base? Well maybe...I wonder if they ever had a real partnership. But Mulder himself also recognizes women around him even if they don't offer themselves obviously. Scully is the best example. In S1 he told her indirectly that he finds her hot. So he must have thought about her in a sexual way. But Scully kept her distance to it.
I wonder what was different with Scully in contrast to Diana. Wasn't the physical attraction of Scully not that important than it was with Diana for him.

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Although Scully seems stand-offish and unemotional, there was always a warmth from her personality. I think its the warmth of her that made Mulder tell her his Samantha story almost right off the bat. Diana doesn't have that warmth of personality anywhere!

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Originally Posted by SannraB (View Post) So you think that Mulder had interest in Diana because she offered herself obviously to him? That it was mainly a physical base? Well maybe...I wonder if they ever had a real partnership.

I think Mulder is so obsessed with his work and he is so busy putting things together that he might miss more subtle women flirts. He also missed things like that police woman in Aubrey having an affair that Scully picked up right away. Phoebe and Diana seemed to be the type that will go for who the want, take no prisoners, even daft Mulder can understand that lol

But Mulder himself also recognizes women around him even if they don't offer themselves obviously. Scully is the best example. In S1 he told her indirectly that he finds her hot. So he must have thought about her in a sexual way. But Scully kept her distance to it.

That hardly counts I mean Scully also told her friend Ellen Mulder was cute so both of them showed they had eyes but there is a long distance between thinking a co-worker is attractive and wanting to go to bed with them, IME.

I wonder what was different with Scully in contrast to Diana. Wasn't the physical attraction of Scully not that important than it was with Diana for him.

Scully didn't care about his career or his prestige but his pursue for the truth and finding out what happened to Samantha did Diana even cared for that?. Scully loved him crazy included and remained constant and loyal in spite of everything. Mulder is like that too look how much he wanted to believe Diana was not a traitor or how he left his former partner to take advantage of him to get the credit because Mulder might not trust people easily but once he does is forever. They both shared this trait but the people around them never appreciated it until they found each other. IMO,YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Babybuttoneyes (View Post) Although Scully seems stand-offish and unemotional, there was always a warmth from her personality. I think its the warmth of her that made Mulder tell her his Samantha story almost right off the bat. Diana doesn't have that warmth of personality anywhere!

True words!

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Originally Posted by Andromedastargazer (View Post) Scully didn't care about his career or his prestige but his pursue for the truth and finding out what happened to Samantha did Diana even cared for that?. Scully loved him crazy included and remained constant and loyal in spite of everything. Mulder is like that too look how much he wanted to believe Diana was not a traitor or how he left his former partner to take advantage of him to get the credit because Mulder might not trust people easily but once he does is forever. They both shared this trait but the people around them never appreciated it until they found each other. IMO,YMMV.

No that's not what I meant. I mean, Scully and Diana are very different concerning their physical appearance. So I asked myself if Mulder maybe, concerning Scully, first recognized her character and saw her as buddy and later on as an attractive woman. And with Diana maybe the other way around. But I'm not sure.
The scene in the shower with the two in season 6 irritates me a bit. It looks as if the two recognized themselve as man and woman in a sexual way for the first time.

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Originally Posted by SannraB (View Post) No that's not what I meant. I mean, Scully and Diana are very different concerning their physical appearance. So I asked myself if Mulder maybe, concerning Scully, first recognized her character and saw her as buddy and later on as an attractive woman. And with Diana maybe the other way around. But I'm not sure.

True Scully was not at all like Diana specially since she was a lot taller, LOL! I think Diana was someone she wanted but Scully became someone he needed. He probably thought like most people that he will be happier with someone always on the same page but finding the ying to his yang proved better. It happens in real life too a lot of people fall in love with people outside their 'type' in any case his type of woman had not worked out in the past so is not like he could trust that particular judgment on women.

The scene in the shower with the two in season 6 irritates me a bit. It looks as if the two recognized themselve as man and woman in a sexual way for the first time.

I actually think they fell in love in layers, the trust came first, then friendship, then physical attraction then lust. I do think Scully's speech about "a switch that goes on one day" is probably how it happened to them. One day they were close as anyone can be with a friend and then the other they felt the current of electricity or they always felt it and one day they finally recognized it. I can see Scully rationalizing that the fact that Mulder really needs for her to press her body against him every time he is emotionally distressed because that is a medical treatment . Mulder being a man probably assumed that his...attraction was just his penis being an idiot as usual and Scully spends a lot of energy in being respected as a peer and not seen as a woman she he wouldn't even dare to try to dig deeper on this feelings because she surely wouldn't want that. Of course both of them were wrong about this

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Originally Posted by Andromedastargazer (View Post) I actually think they fell in love in layers, the trust came first, then friendship, then physical attraction then lust. I do think Scully's speech about "a switch that goes on one day" is probably how it happened to them. One day they were close as anyone can be with a friend and then the other they felt the current of electricity or they always felt it and one day they finally recognized it. I can see Scully rationalizing that the fact that Mulder really needs for her to press her body against him every time he is emotionally distressed because that is a medical treatment . Mulder being a man probably assumed that his...attraction was just his penis being an idiot as usual and Scully spends a lot of energy in being respected as a peer and not seen as a woman she he wouldn't even dare to try to dig deeper on this feelings because she surely wouldn't want that. Of course both of them were wrong about this

Thanks for the explanation
This episode always confuses me to be honest. Of course there was this jealousy thing, then Mulder following Diana (I can't understand why he trusted her more than Scully at this point and why he kissed her), and finally him following Scully again at the end. The feeling between them was so strange...I cant't describe it. I have never seen him deny her like that before. And then in the middle the shower scene where they saw each other so clearly naked for the first time and where they checked the other one out. And Mulders nod in the end...What was that? Erotic, Woundedness, Hurt?

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Originally Posted by SannraB (View Post) Thanks for the explanation This episode always confuses me to be honest. Of course there was this jealousy thing, then Mulder following Diana (I can't understand why he trusted her more than Scully at this point and why he kissed her), and finally him following Scully again at the end. The feeling between them was so strange...I cant't describe it. I have never seen him deny her like that before. And then in the middle the shower scene where they saw each other so clearly naked for the first time and where they checked the other one out. And Mulders nod in the end...What was that? Erotic, Woundedness, Hurt?

Mulder and Scully are complex people love doesn't come easily for those types and there was a lot to lose if they screwed it so better to be sure. WE can see they are perfect for each other but it took them 8 years (and I think they weren't all in until their kiss in Existence) to see themselves as we saw them.
Diana was obviously a woman that Mulder loved and trusted for years I can see why he felt conflicted about being so wrong with someone that he shared his life with and maybe he thought Scully will come around I mean 90% of the time Scully disagrees with him so why wouldn't she eventually find out the truth?
He still went and searched for clues on her apartment so it was not like he was totally sold and I don't think he kissed her more than he received the kiss because he felt too confused to know what to do. I mean Scully and him were not dating so there was not reason for him to reject her unless he was willing to admit to himself that he loved Scully as more than a friend and he was not ready to do that at that point and Diana is very manipulative. The shower scene I think it was a bit of a slip in their part their feelings were bursting out and they were starting to crack their denialism.

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Originally Posted by Andromedastargazer (View Post) Mulder and Scully are complex people love doesn't come easily for those types and there was a lot to lose if they screwed it so better to be sure. WE can see they are perfect for each other but it took them 8 years (and I think they weren't all in until their kiss in Existence) to see themselves as we saw them. Diana was obviously a woman that Mulder loved and trusted for years I can see why he felt conflicted about being so wrong with someone that he shared his life with and maybe he thought Scully will come around I mean 90% of the time Scully disagrees with him so why wouldn't she eventually find out the truth? He still went and searched for clues on her apartment so it was not like he was totally sold and I don't think he kissed her more than he received the kiss because he felt too confused to know what to do. I mean Scully and him were not dating so there was not reason for him to reject her unless he was willing to admit to himself that he loved Scully as more than a friend and he was not ready to do that at that point and Diana is very manipulative. The shower scene I think it was a bit of a slip in their part their feelings were bursting out and they were starting to crack their denialism.

It takes a while before Mulder trusts someone but when he does then he trusts completly. But it suprises me that he tended to choose woman who were definately not good for him, before he met Scully. He seems to be a love fool He should request more. Who knows how long Diana had been working for the syndicate? She organized the abduction of women and made herself guilty in such an awful way. Woman like Scully or his sister Samantha. If he just had known earlier...How could he forgive that?
But it's good to see that he can love in such an intense way. Although the love for Scully is even more deeper and eternal. She is the love of his life. I think he recognized it in the last scene of Amor Fati. It suprised me how short he grieved about Diana's death. And then he made Scully that wonderful confession