Lost - Elizabeth Mitchell/Juliet Appreciation #7: "It`s very stressful being an Other." - Page 5

lovder&mer · 03-15-2008, 12:03 PM

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huge fan of both Elizabeth and Jules.

**Addison Montgomery** · 03-15-2008, 12:16 PM

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Juliet was great in this episode , as always !

Yes she was! I loved her

Great actress

**Crystaline** · 03-15-2008, 08:54 PM

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Well, Kate isn't a fertility doctor who has been studying the effects of fertility on the island. She does not know what Juliet does, or if what Juliet is saying is true, and she doesn't know as much as we viewers know. It's a bit unfair to criticize Kate for this.
From, her point of view the freighties are sketchy and she would understand why Sun would want to hide from them.

Firstly, anything Kate says or think about Juliet is biased because she just doesn't like her. Whether it be because she's a former Other or is Jack's lady as of late, who the frak knows. But when has Kate ever just approached Juliet, sans the schoolyard attitude, and simply ask for answers like Sun did with Daniel?

Secondly, Kate went into The Tempest and saw for herself what Dan and Charlotte were doing in there. She didn't need to take Juliet's word for anything. So telling Sun, 'oh, she's totally lying because she just can't help it' was a bit unfair.

And thirdly, Kate spent two days in Otherville. She knows the kind of gig Locke is running there. He frakking banished her and doesn't want to get off the island. Knowing Sun's condition, is encouraging her to go there really the best advice? Whether she understands Sun's reasoning or doubts Juliet to some degree, there's also the 50% chance she's telling the truth. She's willing to take that risk with Sun's life and her unborn child? It wasn't very logical, IMO.

Serene_Ray · 03-15-2008, 09:13 PM

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Please add me to the list
huge fan of both Elizabeth and Jules.

Added you. Welcome!

Hamburgo1001 · 03-16-2008, 08:28 AM

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Firstly, anything Kate says or think about Juliet is biased because she just doesn't like her. Whether it be because she's a former Other or is Jack's lady as of late, who the frak knows. But when has Kate ever just approached Juliet, sans the schoolyard attitude, and simply ask for answers like Sun did with Daniel?

Secondly, Kate went into The Tempest and saw for herself what Dan and Charlotte were doing in there. She didn't need to take Juliet's word for anything. So telling Sun, 'oh, she's totally lying because she just can't help it' was a bit unfair.

And thirdly, Kate spent two days in Otherville. She knows the kind of gig Locke is running there. He frakking banished her and doesn't want to get off the island. Knowing Sun's condition, is encouraging her to go there really the best advice? Whether she understands Sun's reasoning or doubts Juliet to some degree, there's also the 50% chance she's telling the truth. She's willing to take that risk with Sun's life and her unborn child? It wasn't very logical, IMO.

I totally agree but there's no use in trying to debate with haters. These are the same people who blame Juliet for Kate still having sex with Sawyer even though Kate stood right next to Juliet when she said that pregnant women die on the island. Twice. I can't stand Jack but even I can give him the benefit of the doubt from time to time. I guess I just don't get as worked up about a fictional character like some other people do.

Jenna16 · 03-16-2008, 09:34 AM

Woah! Calm down.....

And you claim to not get worked up over fictional characters. Everyone that posts on this board does. If we didn't care about them then why would we bother disscussing them online?

2ndly, This has nothing to do with Juliet at all. I just came in here because sometimes I read/post about EM.

I wasn't even talking about Kate not liking Juliet. I was just saying that its understandable from Kate and Sun's point of view why they would think its best to go to Locke's group. Juliet and us viewers know more than Kate and Sun do on the topic of pregnant women on the island. My point being that due to circumstance, they have conflicting views with Juliet about what they think is right thing to do.

And I'm not saying Juliet was wrong. She did the right thing. I just don't feel that Kate and Sun deserve criticism for what they thought. It's not like they have been studying as fertility docters on the island. I think a major theme of the show is how good people get pitted against eachother and become foes.

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And thirdly, Kate spent two days in Otherville. She knows the kind of gig Locke is running there. He frakking banished her and doesn't want to get off the island. Knowing Sun's condition, is encouraging her to go there really the best advice? Whether she understands Sun's reasoning or doubts Juliet to some degree, there's also the 50% chance she's telling the truth. She's willing to take that risk with Sun's life and her unborn child? It wasn't very logical, IMO.

Yes, but you have to remember that Kate has a different perspective than us viewers she knows very little compared to what we know. So I think from Kate's point of view, she doesn't see a statistical chance of whether or not Juliet is telling the truth. But your points about Locke not being the most saintly guy on the island are very valid. If that is the angle you were coming at, then I understand your criticism. But I still disagree. If you want to know why I do, I'll tell in the Kate thread

**Crystaline** · 03-16-2008, 02:34 PM

I give Sun a pass because she's knocked up and hormonal and her trust in Juliet was undermined by Kate. I'm not saying the losties should trust Juliet with their lives, but if she wanted to harm them, she would've done it already.

Jenna16 · 03-16-2008, 04:29 PM

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I give Sun a pass because she's knocked up and hormonal and her trust in Juliet was undermined by Kate.

Pregnant women aren't stupid. Sun is a big girl and only Sun is responsible for her actions and thoughts. If someone told Sun to jump off a cliff and Sun did so out of her own free will just because she was told to. Would you only blame the other person?

And Kate is Sun's friend and Kate cares about her, she wouldn't let any bias get in the way of her helping Sun. Obviously if Kate thought she was putting Sun in danger she would stop. Also their motivations were not about not trusting Juliet, they were about not trusting the freighties. Plus if the don't think the freighties are gonna rescue them anyway, what's the point of staying at the beach to get rescued. Juliet obviously has more faith in the freighties than Kate and Sun.

Serene_Ray · 03-16-2008, 04:31 PM

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I'm not saying the losties should trust Juliet with their lives, but if she wanted to harm them, she would've done it already.

Agreed.

Jenna16 · 03-16-2008, 04:54 PM

^ That seems true but its fairly irrelevent to Sun and Kate's motives.

Hamburgo1001 · 03-16-2008, 05:18 PM

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Woah! Calm down.....

And you claim to not get worked up over fictional characters. Everyone that posts on this board does. If we didn't care about them then why would we bother disscussing them online?

2ndly, This has nothing to do with Juliet at all. I just came in here because sometimes I read/post about EM.

Don't worry about me. I don't take this show too seriously. If I did, I would probably not be a part of the online fandom anymore considering that Charlie was my favorite character back in the day and nearly everywhere I looked were anti-Charlie or "die Charlie die" posts. I always laughed it off. In fact, I read the anti-Sawyer and anti-Juliet threads from time to time because they certainly give me quite a good laugh. BTW, isn't the discussion getting a little bit off topic here?

Jenna16 · 03-16-2008, 05:35 PM

The thread got off topic long ago when the disscussion turned from Juliet/EM to Kate and Sun.

Well I post on and read boards for entertainment too, so there ya go

Maybe I just post because I enjoy disscussing the show and characters. Isn't that what you do? So don't tell me I take a fictional show too seriously and you don't.

So anyway back to EM

Pearllers · 03-16-2008, 06:52 PM

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Plus if the don't think the freighties are gonna rescue them anyway, what's the point of staying at the beach to get rescued. Juliet obviously has more faith in the freighties than Kate and Sun.

That's a good point, although I thought Juliet said it nicely when she said the freighties was 'something' regardless of whether they are there to help or not, the chances of leaving the island are much higher on the beach than with Locke. Of course if you don't believe your going to die in the first place 'something' doesn't mean a whole lot.

Doesn't really matter in the end, it all worked out for the best.

**Crystaline** · 03-16-2008, 08:38 PM

And that's why I thought the episode was pretty meh. I think we all knew Sun was going to wind right back up at the beach by the end of the episode.

I was just curious why she was slapping Juliet.

Oh, and Michael's return of course.

Hey! Remember that Juliet/Michael mobisode? I hope we get more of them this season. That is one dynamic I never expected to see.

Pearllers · 03-17-2008, 09:10 PM

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Hey! Remember that Juliet/Michael mobisode? I hope we get more of them this season. That is one dynamic I never expected to see.

I actually never saw that one. I did hear about it though... I would love to see a scene between those two. I think it would be very interesting. I wonder if he's going to make it off the freighter and back on to the island.