Lost - Copulators {J&K} #251: Jack would take excellent care of her~Damon - Page 4

jabs · 09-28-2007, 09:02 AM

Hey loves!

Weekend! Yay!

I like that Luhks's amazing theory/analysis is discussed here too, it's unbelievably awesome!

It's such a spot on I can't believe it.

Kate definitely has a higher risk to take by pursuing a relationship with Jack rather than Sawyer but it's only a matter of time before she realizes that you can't win if you don't play. And that being with Sawyer would be settling. And life's way too short for settling to being content if you can be happy. Cause as stated many times, I believe that Kate could be content with Sawyer but it's with Jack that she could find true happiness.

And that post of Luhks definitely helped me to really get how stupid the shipper war is.

It's all about the different perceptions of love and no one is 100% right or wrong in terms of all this. But this is about the perception of love that Kate is entitled for, what kind of love she needs. And only time will tell what that is.

ale-la-pazza1 · 09-28-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jabs (View Post)

Hey loves!

Weekend! Yay!

I like that Luhks's amazing theory/analysis is discussed here too, it's unbelievably awesome!

It's such a spot on I can't believe it.

Kate definitely has a higher risk to take by pursuing a relationship with Jack rather than Sawyer but it's only a matter of time before she realizes that you can't win if you don't play. And that being with Sawyer would be settling. And life's way too short for settling to being content if you can be happy. Cause as stated many times, I believe that Kate could be content with Sawyer but it's with Jack that she could find true happiness.

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ITA

watchmebleed · 09-28-2007, 11:14 AM

Wow, lots of great posts guys!

I've read some of Luhk's post but I need to read the rest! Great stuff!

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Originally Posted by Franci

they both agreed that jate is the ultimate couple anyway As I keep saying:the puzzle can't be complete in the middle of the journey! wait watch and see..

Oh but they can start putting more and more pieces together this year

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Agreed Franci! I guess it's two different kinds of love. I met a girl once, and found out that we liked the same tv shows - only she ships the opposite couples as I do on these same shows. On love triangles, she ships the opposite couple as me on at least 3 or 4 shows. It's a pattern, which shows that people tend to relate to one kind of love more than another. The couples she ships, although in different stories, tend to have that sort of buddy vibe, friends who become lovers, two people who are really similar in personalities/tastes etc, therefore they understand each other (eg: Sawyer&Kate - LOST, Lucas&Peyton - OTH, Dawson&Joey - Dawson's Creek). The couples I ship are the opposite: They're opposites with different personalities, yin & yang, one is completely different from the other, they complement and inspire each other, but have to work hard on their relationship because they are different, and to me, that's what gives them great chemistry on screen (eg: Jack&Kate, Brooke&Lucas, Joey&Pacey).
We can't really say one side is right and the other is wrong, it's all different points of views, different perceptions of love and different things we value in relationships.

Wow, great post! I totally see what you mean and agree with what you are saying.
And it is true that we all ship these opposing sides because of our own personal preferences but as everyone has said, I do believe that there is a "better" choice for Kate not only in general but also for her own heart and happiness and we all know who that is

My friend on lj made a post explaining that her friend who ships Sawyer and Kate gave her this reason for her shipping preference: I don't like romance.

I don't make this stuff up people

That may be only one persons reasoning but it certainly speaks volumes.

jabs · 09-28-2007, 11:26 AM

I totally get that Di!

For some people having a guy giving you guava seeds might be like nah, no need for that.

But that's an interesting answer... don't like romance, okay.

Well, romance certainly isn't what gets you from one day to the next but I think it's a veeery nice addition to Jate relationship.

Once again it's nice to know that I'm actually learning something fundamental from shipping. Cause sometimes it's really hard to see that your way of thinking isn't necessarily the 'right' way. Well, I obviously believe that in this case mine and Kate's conceptions of real, life-long love go hand in hand but it doesn't make me a better person, or more right.

ale-la-pazza1 · 09-28-2007, 12:26 PM

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For some people having a guy giving you guava seeds might be like nah, no need for that.

I would kill for a guy like this,really,it's what I need and I what I've always wanted

jabs · 09-28-2007, 01:29 PM

Oh, me too. Believe me, in a heart beat!

But some don't go for that and that's their thing.

watchmebleed · 09-28-2007, 01:33 PM

Hey I'm on a break at school and thought I'd bring this over from The Fuselage. Someone uploaded the I Do commentary on YouTube so here is what they actually said (according to a Jater on TF that listened, I obviously didn't since I'm at school

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Carlton: This is the first scene in 6 expisodes where Kate and Jack have seen each other. This was a big moment for us just because we've been telling the story and it was so segmented with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer on Hydra Island ...but this is the first moment in these first 6 hours that where they actually see each other and Kate discovers that he's actually here and he's OK.
And obviously there's a developing romantic triangle --quadrangle.
They talk about the barriers between Kate and her men, which has been transcribed before, then...

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Evi: The glass is invisible and it distorts things, and it gives you an implied sense of intimacy that isn't actually there, and I think that is totally the story of Kate's life w/ anyone she tries to get close to, even including her mother which is so tragic, and she's a really tortured soul because of that.

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Evi: That's been actually something that I've done a lot of searching to play the triangle. Because there's the cliche of the triangle. But then there's the reality and sort of the fact that this woman actually loves two different men....It's not that she decides to cheat on one, or she lusts after one and loves the other. I really believe she loves both of these men for different reasons. And I've done a lot of searching to find how to play those two things without them being the same. Because you can't play your love for one person the same way you play your love for another person.

So that intimacy quote was definitely blown out of proportion.

Oh, and I guess its up in parts but heres one of the links, the one with the Hydra scene: YouTube - "I Do" Commentary - Part 2
Again I don't have time to watch it but maybe I will this weekend.

**Carlie06** · 09-28-2007, 01:36 PM

Wow! Great posts to all of you...

Oy, the shipper war.

It's a mean business.

I don't get myself involved, but as you all have said, no one's really wrong. We just have a difference of opinion, to say the least.

The writers introduced two pairings. People have just as much right to ship Skate as we with Jate.

I just wish we could all get along.

Wow, that's good stuff, Diana. I love that Evie is trying to play both sides differently.

Brightlights · 09-28-2007, 01:43 PM

Diana, thank you!

So they do this great love declaration to Skate, but there's still a triangle, no, a quadrangle going on?

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Evi: The glass is invisible and it distorts things, and it gives you an implied sense of intimacy that isn't actually there, and I think that is totally the story of Kate's life w/ anyone she tries to get close to, even including her mother which is so tragic, and she's a really tortured soul because of that.

Yeah, but I really don't get it...

Is she comparing the way Jack treats her to the way her mother treats her?I'm a little retarded, sorry.

franci* · 09-28-2007, 01:44 PM

lol.of course there's still the quadrangle

'cause the only way to end it,is putting J&K together

lol,those quotes don't sound bad at all...!thanks Di

and I agree with Evi btw.Kate does love BOTH men..in very different ways tho. and as I keep saying..she's explored her feelings for sawyer..and she WILL explore her feelings for jack.of course,as a jater i belive that her feelings for jack will turn out to be deeper and that she'll be with him in the end.
it's all a matter of analyzing how this story has been told since the beginning..I still belive Kate will be with jack not only 'cause it'll serve the romantic lot, but (as i said before) because they're integral in the mythology.

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I don't like romance.

ah! that is SO interesting.. 'cause i don't like romance either...

actually it usually makes me quite sick.

I know..i'm a weird jater!

**pendragonღ** · 09-28-2007, 01:48 PM

Hey guys!

Wow, that post by Luhks was so great! Just all around wonderful. And, both sides were discussion with tons of proof to back it up. It wasn't just a, "It's going to be Jack and Kate because I like them" type of thing.

And that video with "Space Between" was amazing!

What a Jatey song.

ETA: I just saw Diana's post about the commentary. I can actually see where Evi was coming from with the REAL quote about the glass scene. The scene is very intimate between Kate and Jack but yet the glass is like the manifestation of that wall that's always up in Kate's life. With everyone (including Sawyer and Jack) she has this glass wall where it seems she can get through it but it always stops her in the end. It distorts everything she wants and everything she sees in herself. That's Kate's challenge on the island. She's got to finally shatter that glass and gain redemption.

watchmebleed · 09-28-2007, 01:56 PM

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ah! that is SO interesting.. 'cause i don't like romance either...

actually it usually makes me quite sick.

I know..i'm a weird jater!

! You are weird!

No, I think, since we've discussed this type of thing before, you don't believe in that kind of romance in real life, but in television anything goes

Personally I'm a very cynical person in real life, but I'm a big sap when it comes to fiction

Mary, I think what Evi meant is that the glass being so clear made it seem like Jack and Kate were closer than they were...and overall Kate can never seem to get close to people either because of her fugitive status or in the case with her mom, because they simply don't seem to love her as much as she loves them. I don't know about Evi, but I think that Kate has this problem with Jack only because of her past experiences, her view on herself, and her fear of being rejected. It's all in her head basically

ETA: I did the same thing as you Ash and just saw your post now!

Excellent points!! I think you're spot on there!

About the loving both men thing, I do agree with Evi to a degree with what she said about playing the triangle...but at the same time I don't believe its possible to be in love with two people at the same time and thats something that disturbs me with triangles. Now she didn't actually use the term "in love" and she did emphasize that it is in two different ways that Kate "loves" both men, so I definitely agree with her there. She does love them in different ways and imo also on different levels, one must be deeper than the other because as I said before I think its impossible to love two people in the same way, which will make the difference in where she ultimately ends up and who her heart chooses. Naturally I have my beliefs on that which I doubt I need to explain in here

**Carlie06** · 09-28-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Diana

about the loving both men thing, I do agree with Evi to a degree with what she said about playing the triangle...but at the same time I don't believe its possible to be in love with two people at the same time and thats something that disturbs me with triangles. Now she didn't actually use the term "in love" and she did emphasize that it is in two different ways that Kate "loves" both men, so I definitely agree with her there. She does love them in different ways and imo also on different levels, one must be deeper than the other because as I said before I think its impossible to love two people in the same way, which will make the difference in where she ultimately ends up and who her heart chooses.

I agree. There's no way you can be in love with two people at the same time. If you think you can, then you're probably not in love. JMO. She did use the word "love" instead "in love" which is a huge difference. I think she's right in that she loves both of them. I just see her love for Jack and Sawyer as big of difference as night and day. It's not the same, in so many words.

I could go on and on about the difference, but I know we all see it.

**pendragonღ** · 09-28-2007, 02:07 PM

ITA Diana!

I think that you can love a lot of people. But to be "in love?" No. Kate may be a bit confused, for no other reason than you said--because of herself and her beliefs about herself, but in her heart I think she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt who she loves.

**Carlie06** · 09-28-2007, 02:15 PM

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but in her heart I think she knows beyond a shadow of a doubt who she loves.

Ding! You're correct!

ITA.