Lost - Copulators {J&K} #251: Jack would take excellent care of her~Damon - Page 2

newbie_Luby · 09-28-2007, 02:12 AM

Morning Em

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Originally Posted by franci* (View Post)

one is a jater..one is a skater Luby

one got what he wanted..the other one is still waiting...

Just like us

More you'll wait and more you'll have. At least I hope so

They are the perfect pic of the Lost community

**|so alive|** · 09-28-2007, 03:05 AM

Hi everybody!
Thanks Ash for the new thread!

franci* · 09-28-2007, 03:16 AM

Exam done-lol-it wasn't that bad afterall.

LOOOL Em

that is pure genius! i'm curious to see the first Matt or Evi's Kimmel interview after they finally hook up..

should be interesting. the guy is waiting for that since day one! (arent' we all

)

exactly Luby

they both agreed that jate is the ultimate couple anyway

As I keep saying:the puzzle can't be complete in the middle of the journey! wait watch and see..

Hey Shiran

Xinyue · 09-28-2007, 03:30 AM

Hi Shiran

Franci, me too.

It will be absolutely fabulous. I can imagine all the great quotes we'll get.

franci* · 09-28-2007, 03:39 AM

Foxy would giggle like he's never giggled before

his giggle when jimmy said "i can't belive you haven't had sex with kate already" back in season1 was to die for..

we'll get there Jimmy..just be patient..!
we should write him some letters maybe.we gotta teach him the 'art of waiting'

does anyone know where we could find his adress or something? I know you american girls are able to find every address we need. Di?Ash?Carlie?katie?

I have a pic just in front of the Jimmy Kimmel Show in hollywood boulevard btw! when I saw it this summer i started screming "ZOMG JIMMYYY! big jater that guy!picture please!"

Xinyue · 09-28-2007, 03:56 AM

We could invite him here.

We're way too good at waiting and being patient.

Of course you have to have a pic of that.

ultimate_fate · 09-28-2007, 04:40 AM

Morning girls!

I wanted to ask...have you guys read this?

Lost Theories: A Couple of Bandaids, A Bottle of Peroxide by Luhks

I know it is a bit long, but it's by far THE BEST review I have ever read about the triangle. Absolutely loved it. He presented both Jack and Sawyer's qualities and flaws very well, and he also presented very good arguments for both sides, it's definitely worth reading.

He also mentions:

As love interests, Sawyer and Jack possess both a different combination of virtues and vices. A person’s individual preference for either choice rests upon how highly one values their positive qualities, and how forgiving (or optimistic) one feels toward their flaws. Kate possesses very strong, but very different feelings for both Sawyer and Jack. A person’s answer to the question of whom she truly loves rests upon their very own conception of what true love really is.

And I couldnt agree more, it all comes down to our own perception of love, and I guess that's why I'm a Jater. I believe in opposites, and I believe a relationship between two people who are so similar and share similar flaws wont help these people to grow in any way. I think we need to be with someone who challanges us, and most of all, who inspires us to be better human beings. But that's my own perception of love, and I understand that other people might have a different opinion.

rmc19945 · 09-28-2007, 04:53 AM

Thanks for posting that! Great post! ITA.

franci* · 09-28-2007, 05:52 AM

yeah I've read that post!

it's brilliant.
Jate and skate definitely represent different perceptions of love. that's why the ship war is so useless btw.i couldn't care less if people like jate more or if they like skate more. I like jate.and I like to share my love for them with people who love them as much as I do. period

ultimate_fate · 09-28-2007, 06:16 AM

Agreed Franci! I guess it's two different kinds of love. I met a girl once, and found out that we liked the same tv shows - only she ships the opposite couples as I do on these same shows. On love triangles, she ships the opposite couple as me on at least 3 or 4 shows. It's a pattern, which shows that people tend to relate to one kind of love more than another. The couples she ships, although in different stories, tend to have that sort of buddy vibe, friends who become lovers, two people who are really similar in personalities/tastes etc, therefore they understand each other (eg: Sawyer&Kate - LOST, Lucas&Peyton - OTH, Dawson&Joey - Dawson's Creek). The couples I ship are the opposite: They're opposites with different personalities, yin & yang, one is completely different from the other, they complement and inspire each other, but have to work hard on their relationship because they are different, and to me, that's what gives them great chemistry on screen (eg: Jack&Kate, Brooke&Lucas, Joey&Pacey).
We can't really say one side is right and the other is wrong, it's all different points of views, different perceptions of love and different things we value in relationships.

I guess I can say this because I had a relationship with my best friend who was like the masculine version of me and it ended badly, and my current boyfriend whom I've been with for nearly 5 years is my opposite, so we learn from one another every day, and I guess we work as a couple for it.

But some people may disagree and believe that having someone who is just like you works better in a relationship, and that's okay.

Sorry for the rambling, hope it makes sense

ale-la-pazza1 · 09-28-2007, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by watchmebleed (View Post)

Someday we'll have to use the first part too, its so straight and to the point: JACK is the man Kate SHOULD be with!

Surely

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Originally Posted by newbie_Luby (View Post)

Damnit, why does Carlton couldn't be a Jater like Damon?

Sometimes he says something Jatish

I've just read that theories,and I love them

I love expecially these parts:

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Kate will choose Jack at the end of the series.

Kate and Jack have shared a special bond since the very first episode of the series. It is no coincidence that both the show’s first extended dialogue scene and the conclusion of the third season involved emotional discussions between Jack and Kate. Even at the end of season two, just before the Others put bags over their heads, Kate chose to focus her final gaze upon Jack’s face, and not Sawyer’s. It might be foolish to assume that the love triangle has already been decided even though three more seasons worth of character development remain. Kate may have kissed and slept with Sawyer before Jack, but the last man with to make love to her is more important than the first. Lost always excels at moving against viewer expectations, and Kate’s physical relationship with Sawyer might just be an obstacle on the long road toward uniting with Jack before the finale.

Even though the accepted interpretation of the episode I Do implies that Kate chose to be with Sawyer, there is more to the situation than meets the eye. In reality, Kate was not in the position to make any kind of free choice. She was the subject of Ben’s manipulation, and she ended up doing exactly what Ben wanted her to do. All that you need to do to force two animals to breed is to pair them together in cages with no other mating options available. Quite probably, Kate would have wound up sleeping with Jack if the situations were reversed. After all, it was Ben’s choice (not Kate’s) to group her with Sawyer and to keep Jack in isolation. Ben managed to break Kate’s will, just as he had broken down Jack and Sawyer previously. The decision was also made at a time of extreme emotional distress, with Sawyer facing the threat of execution. Sawyer himself pointed out that Kate probably only had sex with him because she thought he was a dead man.

Once the duo escaped from the Hydra, her passion for Sawyer certainly seemed to diminish, culminating when Kate abandoned Sawyer to rescue Jack. Even events of the later episode Catch-22 confirm that Kate would choose to be with Jack rather than Sawyer. With all three characters released from their imprisonment by the Others, Kate seizes the opportunity to try to rekindle some sparks with Jack. Only after Jack rebuffs her flirtatious advances does Kate take up Sawyer on the offer that she had rejected earlier. During the sex scene itself, Sawyer notices that Kate is crying, and she tells him to shut up. These actions indicate that Jack has always been, and may continue to be, Kate’s first choice of a romantic partner.

Then here:

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Jack would represent the better choice for Kate.

Even as a child, Jack has always been willing to put himself at risk to help others. While Sawyer was bust stashing away alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, Dr. Jack was at work saving lives. From his first moments on the island, Jack has acted to ensure the safety of all of the crash survivors. Kate first found him in a moment of weakness, though, unable to stitch up his own wound. He helped assuage Kate’s fears and arouse a spirit of self-confidence in her. After Kate expressed worries that she would run away from pressure situations, Jack reassured her, “I don’t think that’s true. You’re not running now.” Early in season one, Jack also offered forgiveness for Kate’s past, by promising that he would only judge her based on her actions on the island. Jack saw something special in Kate that she did not even yet believe herself. In a sense, Jack was the one who offered Kate a fresh start, but it was Sawyer who reminded her of who she used to be. Jack feels extremely protective of all of the survivors, but towards Kate in particular. He risked his life many times to save her, most dramatically at the end of I Do. Furthermore, Jack remains an extremely committed man in general. He takes fidelity so seriously, that he confessed to his wife that he had shared a kiss with another woman immediately after. In terms of a relationship, Jack provides for Kate a loyal protector, but he also inspires the confidence that she could improve herself and overcome her fears.

Sawyer still embodies some serious character flaws that should not be ignored by any woman. His track record of romantic relationships does not inspire much confidence. Just like the conman Anthony Cooper who supplied his alias, Sawyer uses his charms and deception to manipulate women into giving up what he wants. Sawyer’s primary skill was his ability to use sex as a weapon to steal money (and, by his own admission, he has also used money to pay for sex). Sawyer abandoned Cassidy, perhaps the love of his life, pregnant and alone after stealing her savings. On the island, Sawyer continued his selfish pattern of stealing to keep everything of value for himself. He initially made unwanted sexual advances to both Kate and Shannon, attempting to exploit his material advantages in exchange for sex. In conversations with Kate, he frequently tries to diminish the contributions of others in her eyes, and to bring everyone down to the same base level. In the episode Walkabout, Sayid saved Kate from a possible violation by the physically dominant Sawyer, and Ana-Lucia later submitted herself willingly in a similar situation in Two For The Road. His selection of female nicknames reduces women to physical characteristics (Dimples, Freckles, Sticks), but his nickname for Ana-Lucia (B*tch) reveals even stronger misogyny. His Long Con to acquire the guns put Sun and others at great risk, and he used Kate herself as an unwitting pawn in that game. On top of everything, Sawyer has also murdered at least two people in cold-blood and killed another in the heat of passion. Let’s not forget the reality that the name she knows, Sawyer itself, is not even his real name, but a symbol of his false identity. Kate might be fooling herself if she believes that she can actually reform Sawyer’s nihilistic, egocentric, hedonistic lifestyle for good.

And last:

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Kate truly loves Jack.

The argument for why Kate loves Jack is more complex. The episode What Kate Did explores Kate’s psychology in depth. Kate’s life includes a pattern of running away from all of the ‘good men’ in her life before Jack: her childhood sweetheart Tom Brennan, her one-time husband Kevin, and her father Sgt. Sam Austen. She tells Jack, “I'm sorry that I am not as perfect as you. I'm sorry that I'm not as good.” She kisses Jack, but then the same feelings creep into her mind while looking into his eyes seconds later, and so she runs away. Later on in the episode, she reveals that Sawyer reminds her not of any of these men, but of her deceased father Wayne, whom she murdered. Using Sawyer as Wayne’s stand-in, she explains.

KATE: You asked me why I -- why I did it. It wasn't because you drove my father away, or the way you looked at me, or because you beat her. It's because I hated that you were a part of me -- that I would never be good. That I would never have anything good. And every time that I look at Sawyer -- every time I feel something for him -- I see you, Wayne. It makes me sick.

In essence, it appears that Kate would prefer to be with a traditionally good man, but she does not see herself as worthy of such a life. She abandoned her husband to escape the possibility of having a child and settling down to a routine. Many people presume that Jack and Kate will never be equals, but that presumption works as a double-edged sword. In order to be in a relationship with Jack, she would need to improve herself, to evolve into a better person than she was before the island. She would need to improve her self image, to be able to look him in the eye without feeling inferior. On the island, in Tabula Rasa, Jack presented her an opportunity for rebirth. Interestingly, the island left her nowhere to run (except to Sawyer). Falling in love with Jack involves challenge and risk for Kate, but quite possibly the greater reward. Neither Kate nor Jack seems to be emotionally mature enough yet to be in a healthy relationship with each other, but they will have plenty of time to develop.

Source: DarkUFO

Don't you just love it?

ETA: I don't see L&P related to S/K,they sound more like J&K to me