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Old 03-11-2008, 07:26 PM
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OTH Episode Discussion 5.11: "You're Gonna Need Someone On Your Side"

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Air Date: March 11, 2008

Writer: Zachary Haynes
Director: Michael J. Leone


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DAPHNE ZUNIGA RETURNS — On the eve of Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Lindsey’s (guest star Michaela McManus, “The Beautiful Lie”) marriage, they conspire to save Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley’s (Bethany Joy Galeotti). Brooke (Sophia Bush) pairs Peyton (Hilarie Burton) with a surprise old boyfriend, while dealing with Victoria (guest star Daphne Zuniga, “Melrose Place”). Rachel (guest star Danneel Harris, “CSI”) returns to Tree Hill facing old challenges, while Dan (guest star Paul Johansson) also returns hoping for a fresh start. Antwon Tanner and Lee Norris also star. Michael J. Leone directed the episode written by Zachary Haynes.


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I really liked the episode. There was decent Lucas, and it was kind of light-hearted.
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Thanks for opening . it's topped.
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I loved this episode, I really did. I even liked Peyton in it and everyone should know I'm not a Peyton fan. But the one thing I serious hate that's happened in the last few episodes with Tim, or to night with Bevin and Chase is that they always say that they thought LP would be together still, get married, ect ect. It really bothers me because yeah, it's nice to hint towards it but doing it every chance you get is annoying because they do it when someone from the past comes back and learn those two aren't together. It just bothers me.

And I hated that ending scene, with Haley calling Lucas. WTF?! That just came out of no where and with the way it was leading up, it seemed, to me at least, that she was going to call Nathan because of Luke's VO and she's calling Luke and telling him not to marry Lindsey? For me, it came out of no where esp. since earlier at the party she had told him he was marrying the right person. I don't get it, and it seemingly, doesn't fit with the rest of the episode, it was just like a last minute scene they decided to put in.

It may be just me but I wish people would stop telling Lucas that (that he shouldn't marry Lindsey), they may not think he's making the right decision but he's happy with who he has, so let him be. I understand their worried but at some point, how long can he tell them before they accept it? They don't have to like it but let him live with what he's decided.

I didn't mean to kinda go on that rant But I just wish all the LP hinting would stop because it's clear. And it has nothing to do with the fact that I don't ship LP, it's just annoying to have someone mention/bring it up. If I was Lucas, I wouldn't want to hear it all the time. I'm sure Peyton doesn't want to hear it either since she's still in love with the guy. So I guess I think the comments like "I always thought you'd marry Peyton" are un-needed.


But to get off the LP/LL talk, as much as I love BL, I am so loving Brooke/Owen And that scene in Macy's when they walked up on LL was so cute, I loved it. And I am so glad Brooke fired her mother, it's been way over due, the bitch finally got it And I loved Sophia in that scene, I think she did well, esp. when she said it the second time, it was just... wow, to me. Because I could see she was finally tired of her mother trying to control her, her company and everything else. And the Rachel thing was the last straw for her... and she just stood up to her but went home and cried to Peyton, it broke my heart because I know it must have killed Brooke doing that she did what needed to be done but still felt bad about doing it. I can see how hard that would be on her since all she wanted was Victoria to love her, without "earning" her love. It just, was a great scene.

Nathan... I was crying when he was talking to Jamie in bed He's trying so hard but you can tell he's miserable... it broke my heart when he told Jamie he was in a time-out. I don't think really knows how much he loves her. The thing with Carrie got out of control and Nathan should have told Haley from the start but his heart was in the right place, like it always is and she wouldn't even let him explain it. So to me, it just seems like she was waiting for something like that to happen but I don't think she knows how much he truly loves her. And it's sad because Nathan loves her so much that even after she said she wanted a divorce, he was still trying to work things out, and I believe he will fight for her because of how much he loves her.

Jamie... yes, he gets his own paragraph Simply to say, I love this kid and want to adopt him and give him a big hug because he needs one right now. It's not easy being that young and not understanding why mommy and daddy aren't living together or are fighting all the time or won't play with him like they did before. It's heart-breaking, even more so when he was up in his room looking at the picture of them. He's trying to hard, the thing with the rock-band and it's just... it's sad. And Haley, I don't think she understood what he meant when he kept asing if they could play... and he's so little and can't comprehend what he's feeling and how to verbally say it. So to me, Jackson gets some major props because he's awesome at what he's doing.

Chase... I can't believe I'm saying this but... I loved him I love how they made him more mature and it's just wow because in last season, I wanted nothing more then to see him leave and now I wish he would do another episode because I loved him. Funny. But it was good seeing him again and I loved his and Peyton scene's, they were surprisingly good.

Dan... eh, weird. I'm not sure what I think of him being out and all that happened

And I think that's it... I feel like I'm missing something...
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Kelli , I agree with you . I loved your review btw. I think you def. have a point

and I do love LP , but I can totally agree that you can not always point out to the othre person , oh I thought you are always going to be together ect. ect. that's just inappropriate , esp. when Lucas is so confused & when Peyton still loves him , and they are both inlove.

if they still love eachother let them get to that point themselves. I much ruther have that .

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Thanks Gal I had to edit it to add the rest because FF was being silly

But yea, I've noticed the last few eps and it's just annoying, I think we all get the point, it's been mentioned enough I don't know how someone couldn't get it

And yes, inappropriate was the word I was looking for, lol. But yeah, I think it is when they do that, esp. in front of Lindsey because she doesn't need to hear that, she's already had doubts about it. It wouldn't even bother me but they seemingly do it every chance they get, it's annoying
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This episode on the whole was really enjoyable for me. Lots of injected humour to lighten the show up, whilst also being deeply heartfelt at the right moments. It drove the story and had the shocks without taking it over the top.

It was depressing to see Haley so sad about things and I really understand the pain she feels about everything. In this episode she was dealing with that and just not ready to let Nathan back in yet. She needs time to get over what happened before she can even really hear him out yet, because she feels like she’s been betrayed multiple times by Nathan’s actions/inactions now. However in the end I think she’ll realise Nathan didn’t have ill intent and will let him back in. I just felt sad for Jamie, because all he wanted was for his family to be together and Haley couldn’t give him that yet.

Nathan I felt bad for in this episode. He seemed like he was searching for a way to make things better, but just didn’t quite understand how to. It’s clear that he misses his family and although I think he deserves the lions share of the blame for how things with Carrie happened I still couldn’t help feeling for him. I always see him as the unwitting victim of his own idiocy in these situations, in that he never has intentions to hurt Haley, but he’s just not equipped to deal with situations like the ****ty nanny. I also felt bad when Haley told him she never should have tried to change him, because I don’t think that that was entirely true or fair. Nathan has always appreciated how Haley helped him become a better person and anyone who’s seen s1 Nathan knows how much better he is now. He loves Haley for that and it sort of took that away from him.

I really enjoyed Skills. It was great to see both sides of him, both humorous and deep. I feel like he’s such a great carer for Jamie and is almost becoming what uncle Keith was for Lucas. He’s the person who helps Jamie out, keeps his spirits up and never lets him down. I loved his talk with Haley, because although Haley is hurting, she did brush Jamie aside a lot in the episode and I think what Skills said about NH really hit home for her that someone has to look after Jamie’s best interests in all this too.

Lucas I finally felt was more involved. I loved his plan to help NH. He meddles which you could almost say he inherited from Dan, just with Lucas he actually uses it for good rather than evil. I found it interesting that he finally finished his book and the timing and maybe we see later in the episode why he’s worried about the last pages. I thought it was great that the person he felt most secure giving it too was Haley, even if the main point of that at the moment seems to have been to provide the cliffhanger.

Lucas/Lindsey were shown to be in love tonight, which was good as a Lucas fan and has sometimes been missing in their scenes for me. It’s nice to see him not just marrying someone, because of how he feels about Peyton, but because he loves her. I really get the sense that Lucas does love Lindsey and does want to marry her, but it’s not enough. He’ll love Lindsey, but Peyton is still in his heart above anyone else. That’s the reason he shouldn’t marry Lindsey, but at the same time it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her. The only thing I didn’t like was the slightly mundane way all their scenes felt. This is just a personal opinion, but I never see the chemistry. Lindsey always feels motherly or sisterly in their scenes with the lines she has and how that feels to me.

Lucas/Haley were good and I mentioned how I loved him trusting her to read his book. The phonecall at the end of the episode though I was unsure about. I felt like the intent of the writers was to show us that Haley is ringing Lucas to say he can’t marry Lindsey because the book is about Peyton. However I have this feeling it’ll take a different turn in the next episode. Like it’ll go “you can’t marry Lindsey..until” and then talk about something nice Lucas has to do for her. I just don’t know if I see Haley actually flat out telling Lucas he can’t marry someone, not after she’s been so firmly behind them this season. I guess it just depends what was in all those pages of manuscript she just read.

Lucas and Peyton’s scene was short and to me served a slight purpose. You could see they were both kind of laughing off what could have been an uncomfortable situation. It also sets up things for if anything does go wrong with LL. The way things were left after 508 would have made the beginning of anything awkward if LL were to end. Lucas may feel resentment that Peyton was still there driving a wedge, even if that would be unfair. Now with LP having had a friendly scene and Peyton being more accepting of LL it clears the air between them somewhat and could help the beginnings of something in future.

Peyton was great and so strong in the episode for me. She kept herself in check and managed to be nice to Lindsey, which was great. I loved her moments with Chase and thought it was nice to see her smile. It’s nice when Peyton can lighten the episode and shows that she is more than just there for angst. I also loved how supporting she was of Brooke and Rachel. Giving them the support they needed in the way Brooke was there to support her when she needed it. I love the way she paid Brooke back double too, showing how much she really appreciates her help and also totally disproving anything of what Victoria said of her being a parasite.

Chase and Peyton were enjoyable; the favours they did for each other were cute. It allowed them both to smile when they may have actually both been hurting a little. It was also nice to have Stephen back for an episode, even if I’m not sure I’d want him back long term. He did seem to relish being fun though, rather than more serious like Chase was last season.

Brooke was great again. She was so strong firing Victoria, which was so long overdue. I loved how she was a great friend to Rachel and determined to help her, something which may have succeeded if it wasn’t for her mom. Her scenes with Victoria and then getting support from Peyton were really sad but also satisfying. Like she needs to cry to get past those issues and then move on, because she’s strong enough to do that now.

Victoria was a really awful person with no heart and I’m pleased she got fired. She deserved it completely and I couldn’t believe her nerve to try and play on Brooke’s good heart at the end, saying that she shouldn’t be fired because she’s her mother. Well you cut your boss out of meetings and treat her like crap, so she removed the personal element of business and fired you, so get over it. I just hope Brooke can keep her own feelings in her business, because that’s what built it, not what her mother did.

The Brooke/Owen and Chase stuff was funny. I find it hard to believe they wouldn’t put it together, but at the same time it did lighten the episode. Owen may have got opinionated again, but I loved how he explained that Brooke did a good thing for Rachel and he sees that. It’s also nice to see he thinks Brooke deserves better than how Victoria treats her, even if it may not have been his business to say anything. I really think that their relationship has been developing well and I hope to see it continue.

It was great to see Danneel again and I miss her on the show. I really felt for Rachel when Victoria put her down. I felt like she was on her way to potentially beating this addiction. However junkies need professional help, because they often have complicated lives and people who don’t like them. They hit roadblocks and this is what happens. Hopefully she has taken the money and checked herself in rehab, determined to beat it, otherwise the next news we get of her might be that she’s literally lying in a gutter somewhere. The only thing that I personally didn’t like about her actions is that she was willing to use Mouth and think of it as a gift to him. I kind of hoped she’d at least got past that, but then it doesn’t seem like the city helped her character growth at all, if anything she went backwards.

It was great to have Paul back and Dan is back to his awful best already. The scene just creeped me out completely. He seems quite dark already. It may be contrived that he’s out, because murder and five years? Yes it’s ridiculous. He’s been brought back because fans like him and his struggles with his sons. It’s part of the shows original concept. I like to see those struggles, so contrived as it may be, bring it on. I can’t wait to see what evil he has to cook up and then hate him for it .

Overall I just really enjoyed the episode. It felt well put together. There were some tonal issues with how the characters dialogue played out, but I think that’s due to having a first time director and writer on the episode. However I think they did a good job considering that. The episode didn’t feel choppy at all and really helped to push the story forward without being overdramatic or overbearing. To me it was an overall improvement in the quality of the last few weeks.
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Kelli I agree with you that to see everyone tell Lucas he loves Peyton, he should marry Peyton, Peyton is the one and stuff like that is getting really really boring. That's Mark's way to try to buy the audience in LP. But he's failing miserable. The only people that like those kind of scenes where people say that stuff are LPers. The rest of the audience generally just roll their eyes. It's ridicolous and pathetic. And if everybody believes Lucas shouldn't marry lindsey and should instead be with Peyton, maybe they could have had a face to face convo with Lucas and try to make him open up and realize the truth, instead of just make stupid comments and plan to stop the wedding at the very last minute, like it seems from what Skills says in the promo for 5.12.


now my comment to the episode:

my first general comment is that I'm pissed at Mark, because I love LL and Lindsey, I really do. I can enjoy them much more than I ever enjoyed LP or BL. But it's clear Mark is gonna tear them apart and it's pissing me he had to build such a beautiful couple just to break it later

Lucas and Lucas&Lindsey again he showed how caring he is, trying to bring Nathan and Haley to talk again. No matter what happens in his life, if there's someone around him that needs his help, he's there.

I absolutely love how sweet and caring he is with Lindsey. And I love the way Lindsey acts around him. As I said above, I love this couple. They have a refreshing relationship, with no drama, where Lindsey takes care of Lucas just as much as Lucas takes care of Lindsey. For the first time Lucas is with someone that thinks about him and gives him something instead of just taking from him. In this relationship things don't revolve around the girl, as it was with Brooke and Peyton, that took took took from Lucas. LL are mutual, they give and take.

I loved the first scene, where they were plotting to take Nathan and Haley to talk. I like how lighthearted and joking Lindsey and Lucas are sometimes.

I liked also the scene in Macy's, they are cute to see, they are a normal couple, no drama, just enjoying to be together

The scene in that thing whose name I don't know, at the party, when they were looking at the stars, was really beautiful. I loved how they talked about 2 of the most important persons in their life. I liked she pointed out how her father loved Lucas and how Lucas said that Lindsey is an amazing girl, with the joke about Keith. As I said, I love how sweet Lucas is with Lindsey. I like their kisses, the way they touch each other, it's just lovely to see. Chad and Michaela are both gorgeous and they have a great chemistry.

Lucas/Peyton I honestly felt the scene at the RC was kind of ridicolous. I don't know, I felt like it had no sense and came out of nowhere. I liked to see that Lucas was getting pissed when Peyton said she was mean to Lindsey. No matter how much some people try to dismiss and belittle LL, Lucas has for Lindsey very strong feelings and that's clear

Lucas/Nathan as I said I liked to see Lucas trying to help Nathan in talking to Haley and I loved when he told Haley that she married the right man. It was so good to see the brothers at Rivercourt, even though for few seconds

Nathan&Haley I can't help but feeling for Nathan. I know he made a mistake not talking to Haley immediately about what was happening with Carrie, but the guy is paying a much higher price than he should. I didn't like the way Haley treated Jamie during the episode and I'm glad Skills called her out on that. That's what friends are for, making us understand when we're making mistakes

Lucas/Haley I'm not sure about the meaning of the final scene. We know Lucas started writing again because of Peyton. And we saw Haley was reading his book. I guess we could assume Lucas wrote something that made Haley understand he is still in love with Peyton. And that's why she told him he can't marry Lindsey. Or maybe she was just thinking about the way her marriage with Nathan is going bad, but that wouldn't really fit with what she told Lucas before, that he was marrying the right girl.

Brooke/Owen/Peyton/Chase/Victoria/Rachel/Mouth/Millicent honestly I couldn't care less. And I also think that bringing Chase back just for that would be totally ridicolous and pointless, so I wonder if we have to expect something more

overall, I liked this episode, it was another confirmation that Lucas does love Lindsey, even though in the end Peyton will be the one for him. But LL is much more than about hiding for Lucas. It's clear this girl means a lot to him and he does love her for everything she is. As I said, I hate Mark build them up to tear them down later.

my usual shallow comment: Chad looks hotter and hotter by the episode. At the Rivercourt he was to die for.
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Wow, no need for me to comment, because Kelli hit it right on

The LP hinting is TOO obvious, and Mark really needs to stop. Either he wants to marry Lindsay and loves her, or he loves Peyton. It's one or the other. NOT both

I agree with everything, and I was so dissapointed and shocked by the last scene. I too thought she was calling to talk with Nathan. I'm curious to see WHY Haley said what she did. Maybe she saw ''Peyton'' written all over the book

And I hate to say this, I really do, but I liked Chase in this episode too. Maybe it was because he didnt do alot of talking BUT I'm liking all of these guest appearances. Now all we need is Karen and Deb, please oh please be at the wedding
Bevin and Tim having a kid together, ummm wow I mean, I can see why they would click
What's the storry with the Skills/Bevin relationship? I want to know why they broke up.

I'm loving Skills more and more. The way he helped Haley brought tears to my eyes, and it was nice to see Haley embrace what he said and not put her guard up and not listening.

Nathan really wants his family back together, and my heart goes out to him. Haley must find it in herself to forgive him, because I don't want to see what kind of hell Nathan will go through if they get a divorce.

Lucas and Lindsay were stuck together at the hip once again, so I have no real comments about Lucas. The only thing I want for him, is for him to follow his heart.

Loving Brooke and Owen, they are amazing together, and sooo HOT I love how she sat on him and he told her childhood stories, nothing is cuter
Brooke finally gave her mother the boot, thank god. So much pain there, but she needs to be proud of herself for doing it. It hurts now, but it would have hurt more to keep her mother around.
Victoria is pure evil. What she said to Rachel is unforgivable. It's like she has this miserable life, and she finds pleasure in ruining other's lives aswell :roll_eyes:

Jamie is so confused and has no idea what's going on. I hope his parents find a way to help him in that area. Ofcourse NH have to do what they feel best for their relationship ( or what Haley feels is best ), but remember that there is a child involved, and he needs to understand the situation one way or another.

Dan out of prison, oh what a surprise Hasn't Nathan told Dan to stay away from Jamie? And the first thing Dan does is buy a basketball for him? He only cares about himself, and what he can get out of a situation. He better stay away from everyone, they have enough problems of their own. But we all know Dan.. He'll mess things up
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For Manu's sake, I will try to give a long review. "Try" is the key word here. And it's going to be a little out of order

I agree with many of you guys have said about LP. Okay, we get it. You are Mark's pride and joy. All the signs are pointing to you two being together. Okay, got it, I understand. Now Mark, can we please back off a little and let Lucas live his own life? From the promo for next week and everyone's comments, like Bevin, Chase, that Molly girl, etc, about LP destined to be together. It's getting a little annoying and obvious. Way obvious.

I don't think Haley's call to Lucas was out of the blue. She obviously read something in Lucas' book that made it clear to her that Lucas shouldn't marry Lindsey, and to me, that's a valid reason. Like Haley isn't like all the other characters (Bevin, Tim, Chase, etc) who haven't seen or heard from Lucas or Peyton in the last four years, so they don't know the story or have seen the changes that have taken place in their relationship. But Haley is Lucas' best friend, she always has been, and they have been still living close by in Tree Hill and where Nathan went to college ever since high school, so Haley knows Lucas' heart and wants to help him make the right choices. She read something in his new novel that disturbed her and she was able to read Lucas' words and understand they were his feelings towards Lindsey or Peyton. She has his best intention at heart so I am glad she did something instead of holding her true thoughts/feelings in, we know how well that always works in Tree Hill.

I did think the few scenes that Lucas and Haley had were great, they made the episode watchable and enjoyable. I loved the scene where Lucas gives Haley his new novel and Haley says something like "I was your first editor". It was really sweet and I was also glad to spot Jamie in the scene, like Lucas had dropped him off, which is sweet. I liked the moment LH shared at the party, even though Haley was a little distracted by her relationship with Nathan. LH are still one of the strongest couplings on the show and the one that I will always, always ship.

I just have to say this; I absolutely LOVE Victoria!! I always love her lines and watching her with Brooke or making fun of Peyton or Rachel. I don't care if she is a meanie In some scenes she has with Brooke, when she touches her face in like 5x05 and (I think) 5x03, it totally reminds me of "Mommie Dearest"/Joan Crawford. And I love it!! Victoria is snappy and witty and great. I mean I don't love her when she makes Brooke cry and such, but still, she has the funniest lines and is one of the best additions to the show.

I must not be fond of little kids because Jamie annoyed the hell out of me in the episode. Like sometimes he was really cute when he was in the store or looking at the photo of him with his parents, but sometimes I was just annoyed. It's like when he says lines like "I wish Nanny Carrie was my mom" or "Nanny Carrie makes this better than you Mommy". Like it irks me sometimes

Lucas and Lindsey were very, very adorable when they were scheming to get NH together, talking about Lindsey' father and Keith, and all their scenes at the party. It's just refreshing to see ONE couple on "One Tree Hill" that can stand each other. And they look really happy. Can't wait for when/if Mark screws this up.

I know many love him but I really don't care for Owen and Brooke. They are kinda cute, like when they were at Macy's, and I do like how Owen beat up that drug dealer, but besides from that, I really don't care. I don't find Owen super attractive. Chad and James are always way more attracitive to me

Nathan and Haley are making me all sad inside. I'm not really liking Haley right now, to be honest. It is supposed to be "Always and Forever" not "Until Haley gives up". I just don't like how she is like "Oh well, I couldn't change you, we are done." She just needs to get the facts straight. I know her heart is in the right place and I hate seeing Nathan so miserable. It is like season 2 all over again, except Nathan was an alcoholic in the beginning of the seasons, not towards the end . It is sad to see Jamie so upset, but NH will work through it, they always do.

It has been nice to see the old guest stars come in the show, and I did enjoy seeing Chase. He made Peyton laugh!! Shocking. But I don't really understand his purpose either

I liked how Dan slept with the cashier who played the Peyton Hooker for Psycho Derek in 4x04 and 4x05

As for Peyton/Mouth/Skills/Millicent/Rachel, I really don't care anymore.

The end!
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