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Old 03-04-2008, 05:29 PM
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OTH Episode Discussion 5.10: "Running To Stand Still"

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Air Date: March 4, 2008

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BROOKE ENCOUNTERS SOMEONE FROM HER PAST — When Brooke (Sophia
Bush) takes Owen (guest star Joe Manganiello, “ER”) to New York for a glimpse of her other life, she’s faced with a ghost from her past. Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti) reels from a devastating blow to her marriage, while Nathan (James Lafferty) and Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) muster their courage to attend Dan’s (guest star Paul Johansson) parole hearing. A major record label takes an interest in Peyton’s (Hilarie Burton) recording artist. Antown Tanner and Lee Norris also star. Clark Mathis directed the episode written by William H. Brown.
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Thanks for the thread Amelia

This episode was pretty good for me. Some of it was disjointed and there felt like there was a lot going on all over the place, but it was intense and certainly furthered some stories along.

NH were intense and amazing, but I still hate this storyline. It really is taken from one of these bad lifetime movies where someone poisons the kid against his/her own parents. I really have a hard time blaming either of them in this scenario.

Nathan has been an idiot, that’s true, but he wasn’t meaning to have any bad intent. He has handled this so wrong, but he did plan on telling Haley about the kiss and then everything just went nuts when Carrie got in the shower with him (something bad needs to happen to her). Nathan has never been good in these situations, but I can understand his point of view and that he never meant for any of this to hurt Haley.

Haley’s point of view I also totally understand, she’s hurt and all she sees is her husband in the shower with another woman, seemingly out of the blue and then hears about a kiss, which it seems to her like he was planning on hiding. She’s seen this kind of thing happen before where Nathan seems to let someone come onto him and maybe this was the last straw (seemingly anyway). The divorce thing was just a heat of the moment thing that happened in a bad moment, it’ll be hard to take back now that it’s out there. Once you’ve said something, sometimes you start to believe that gut reaction is the right one, but I think eventually they’ll work it out.

I know Haley kissed Chris and that was similar in the way that she let him kiss her. The fact its a few years ago doesn’t make it any less wrong. However Haley had to pay a lot for that mistake, so now perhaps now it’s Nathan’s turn to show her how much she means to him again. Since what he’s done, the way he’s acted, intentionally or not have created a bad situation, which could have been easily avoided, if he’d just fired the nanny like he should have.

Carrie I just hate with a passion, she needs to be carted off in chains. Here we are again with another ridiculous soap character that seems to have no heart and a random evil vendetta after a few months. The way she spoke to Haley, it’s like she really believed Nathan was in love with her, she’s as wacko as psycho Derek was last year. It’s absolutely a bad old horror movie/lifetime movie style situation. I hate that she managed to poison Jamie’s mind so thoroughly in such a short time, but then she has been allowed to spend a lot of time with him. I really hope that NH spend some quality time with him soon, because he needs it.

I liked Nathan’s moments with Q and how they’re starting to have a little understanding. It’s the first time we’ve really seen Q let his guard down and show that he’s insecure and scared. I actually really felt for him for the first time.

I absolutely loved having Rachel back and thought Danneel was fantastic. I really bought into her depression and sadness. I’m looking forward to having her back on the show. She’s very flawed and she’s such a trainwreck, but I love her relationship with Brooke and I really hope that good things can come of that storyline.

Brooke and Owen’s relationship was a bright highlight in this episode for me. I’m really enjoying Owen’s character. He seems sharp witted and someone who can challenge Brooke, in a way I’m not sure anyone has dared to challenge her before. He isn’t interested in anything other than the person she is. I also loved the way he stepped up to the plate in helping Rachel for Brooke. He seems like the kind of guy who’ll be there when the going gets tough. So I hope that ex junkie thing wasn’t introduced so that they could ruin him at some point down the line, even if so far I think it does add a little depth to his story.

Brooke was great with Rachel and I think she realises that firing Rachel on her mom’s demand basically forced her to not be the friend she needed to be for her. I think she’ll put that right now and I look forward to seeing that. The moment with the hug with Owen was cute too. I’m really enjoying seeing that develop a lot more than I ever thought I would.

I loved seeing Peyton happy in this episode. I really feel like she’s been through the ringer emotionally this year and it was nice to see her in a different light, showing that she isn’t just unhappy for the sake of it, she really has had a lot to deal with. When the situation is right and she gets a little luck, she’ll be happy just like all the other characters have had a chance to be at some point this season, guess we just had to wait a while longer to see her happiness, because the career storylines have been so slow. I quite like the music storyline and think it sent some truthful messages, which I was ok with. Just like with every career storyline on the show, it just feels plonked in there as an afterthought around all the more serious relationship drama going on.

I did love that they managed to trick John and got a good deal. It didn’t feel like Mia oversold it too much either, which I liked. It seemed like John was just so desperate to find a success after his recent failure that he needed to offer them a good deal, which I thought played quite well. The music stuff is a touchy storyline for me, but I like that it played truthfully. Small labels are amazing and they’ve offered so much to some up and coming artists that otherwise would never have been noticed at all. They get their stuff released and if they’re really good they get noticed anyway and build the label with their success. However it doesn’t always happen and there is more failure than success in the business. Most of the big bands out there that people love have ended up having to be signed to a big label to make it big in the business. So that being said I’m pleased Peyton got the best of both worlds, allowing her label to build up, getting the best deal for Mia, whilst also allowing them to remain a team. Again it was just great seeing Peyton genuinely smile again.

Mia was cool and all, but I think it was time for her to be gone. She sang her songs and I liked her relationship with Peyton. Sometimes her acting was good, other times not, but now her storyline really has served it’s purpose, so I’m happy to leave it there, since like I said I feel like this storyline like all the career storylines is just kind of there in amongst the relationship drama. So to me I enjoyed her, but I’m pleased they’re not overusing her.

Lucas wasn’t in the episode much, but his scene at the parole hearing was great. I really felt every word he said. It’s something Lucas feels very deeply about and he isn’t going to let it go, just as he never should. I liked the scene where he asked Nathan to be his best man, that was a nice brotherly moment for the two of them. It’s nice to see them trying to have the kind of relationship that Dan and Keith never could, even if they have friction sometimes, they work it out. That is what separates Lucas and Nathan from Dan in my opinion. They make mistakes and they do stupid things, but they actually feel remorse and they try to fix their mistakes. I feel like Dan has always felt bad for the way things turned out, but it was more out of guilt at his own situation than caring about the effect it had on others. Dan has never tried to fix a mistake yet, unless he thought it would help him in some way. Any moment you get suckered in and start to believe him, there’s a moment down the line you know that will all be proved false. He’s had his chances and blew them all, he doesn’t deserve any more, so I’m very glad that Lucas spoke the way he did at the hearing.

All that being said, it’s so great to have Dan back and he’s been sorely missed on the show. Paul Johannsen is great and the character of Dan has always helped to drive the storylines on the show so well. He makes a great villain and while Victoria has provided some sharpness, she just isn’t the very multi-dimensional character that Dan is. I look forward to seeing what evil Dan could plan now that he’s back . With me I’ve always hated Dan the person, but loved the character. He’s the villain the show couldn’t have done without.

There were some other plus points in the episode for me, namely no Mouth or Lindsey. I don’t dislike either of them as people, but their characters bore me. I just have little or no reaction to seeing them on screen one way or the other. This episode, even if all the main characters were spread out, really focused on the core 5 characters lives and that meant I cared about most of the scenes. Overall the episode was dramatic and entertaining, if at the same time feeling choppy and a bit rushed in pacing. It left me feeling satisfied in some ways, but like the main substance to all the drama is still to come. I’d say it was probably about a 7/10, based on the fact I enjoyed it, but was still annoyed by the contrivance of the storyline points. E.g. Dan getting out of jail after 4 years, or the Nanny Carrie situation. Chad and Joy really stole the show in terms of the acting in their big scenes, particularly Joy who could really make anyone feel the emotion in the last scene. I hope Joy gets some more material like this to work with soon, because she’s been a little bit wasted that way this season up to now.
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the episode wasn't too bad, I expected worse. but still not enough Lucas and that's really a shame, because Lucas has the most potential out of the characters on the show, in my opinion. And with Joy, Chad is the best actor and the only one that can really make me cry.

Lucas I loved him in this episode. As I said, there was not enough of him. But those scenes he had were all amazing. I loved them all. This is the Lucas Scott I want to see, this is the Lucas Scott I love. I am sick and tired of love triangles, I don't wanna see him dragged into that stuff anymore. I'm sick of BL, LL, LP. Give me more of Lucas out of that, that's the best thing on the show. His speech at the parole hearing was really the highlight of the episode to me. Yes, the NH stuff was good, especially the last scene. But Lucas speech was so calm but so powerful at the same moment. It hit me and Chad delivered it in a perfect way. Lucas was teary eyed, I felt his emotion so much. And what he said, all the bad things Dan did and the way he took Keith from him made me feel for Lucas so much that I'd just like to hug him. And it just reminded me that this guy is, in my opinion, the character that suffered the most on the show, that had the worst things happen to him, but his heart is still good. No matter how much life has hit him, he still tries to be the best guy he could, never hurting on purpose, always trying to help everyone.

The scenes with Nathan were good too. I loved the moment he asked him to be his best man. I felt like they were such guys in that moment, in the way Lucas asked almost joking and then they just did that thing with their hands that they always do. But even if they acted like guys the moment was still very touching. I would really love to have more interaction between the brothers. They do the show to me. I loved Lucas tried to give Nate a good advice, even if Nathan didn't tell him about visiting Dan and even if Lucas has his own problems. He is always there for his brother and his family and that's the Lucas I love.

The moment when he looked at Keith's picture and he said he misses him really touched me. I love the way Mark has been making a point, since 3.17, to show how much Keith meant and still means to Lucas. I appreciate to be reminded often that Keith and everything he did still affects Lucas so much.

I was also touched by what he said about Dan, that in the past 4 years he pretended Dan didn't exist and now it hit him that he might have to deal with Dan being in his life again. There's still a lot Lucas has to deal with when it comes to Dan, and that's where his current mistakes and fears come from

Dan man, did I love to see him back on the show! I have been missing him so much! He killed Keith and I'll never forgive him and he'll never be really redeemed in my eyes. But this character brings so much to the show, he is a staple on the show, he is, to me, the third point (?) of a trangle where the other 2 points are Lucas and Nathan. They were the premise of the show, they used to be the centre of the show, and I feel like the show would be so much better if we could get back to that. So even though Dan should stay in prison, I'd like to see him being set free because this could give us some stuff that ties the brothers and Dan, again, like it used to be.

Nathan&Haley though situation. I felt for both. Nathan made a big mistake not talking to Haley about what was happening. He didn't realize immediately how bad the things were going to be and he's paying for that. Of course I felt for Haley, she thought he was cheating on her and when she decided to give him the chance to explain he omitted the kiss, probably because he was scared to make things worse, and then he paid for that when Haley was told about it by Carry. But Nathan loves Haley more than anything else. Haley and Jamie. He has never done anything on purpose to hurt either of them. He has made a mistake, but he doesn't deserve to see his marriage ruined because of that, because his heart is in the right place. I just hope he will learn from this experience and next time there's something wrong, he will immediately open up to Haley. Haley doesn't deserve what's happening either. I understand her, I feel for her. To what's happening with Nathan, it has to be added what Jamie told her, that must have hurt her so deeply. So, I really felt for both and I'm not taking any side. When Haley said she wants a divorce, Nathan's face and his voice just said it all. He loves his family. When he told Haley nothing of what he does is enough, I really felt for him. I know he did a mistake. But I feel like this guy, that used to be a bad guy and worked to be a good guy for Haley, is afraid of never been enough. And it's not Haley's fault, of course. I think this is Dan's fault and in my eyes this feeling he has ties him to Lucas and Lucas' same fear of never been good enough. I wish people could give the guys a break, because sometimes the screw up, but they have some really bad baggage to deal with and I think that, overall, considering their past and the way the grew up, they are doing pretty good in their life, being good to the people they love. They are not perfect, but they are doing their best and I believe they are doing better than some other people on this show.

Brooke/Owen/Rachel I liked to see Danneel back on the show and I think she did an amazing job with her scenes. But honestly I didn't really get interested in their stuff. And in general I don't feel anything when it comes to Owen. He just leaves me indifferent. Even to hear Brooke over and over again in every episode mentioning how bad Victoria is, has got me kinda tired.

Peyton such a boring stuff! I'm glad this was Mia's last episode. I like Kate, she's a great singer, I love her song. But the entire music storyline for Peyton and Mia has been so boring since the beginning.

Carry psycho. enough said.

the actors I think we have a very talented cast. Chad and Joy are on their own league, they're the best, they make me really feel for their characters. Lucas' speech at the parole hearing was the highlight for me, because of his words but also because of the way Chad delivered it. So powerful. Joy had the most stuff, all good, but Lucas speech still is the best moment of the episode, to me. But yes, Joy is amazing and the last scene was great. I think Mark should give both some more and better material, because their talent deserves it. Another very talented actor is Paul Johansson, I really missed him on the show.

on a shallow note, I thought Chad looked absolutely gorgeous in this episode.
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We're definitely on the same page exactly about Lucas and Dan Manu
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glad we agree on something

Dan brings the "best" out of Lucas. saying this, I mean Lucas is most interesting when he is dealing with Dan. There's just something so real, so realistic, so powerful in seeing Lucas dealing with this father that abandoned him and then tried and now he's trying again to get back into his life. I also think Chad gives his best in these scenes, maybe cause he has a similar experience, to a certain degree, in his own life.

now more than ever I feel like Lucas really needs to deal with what Dan meant and still means to him. His words "In the past 4 years I pretended Dan didn't exist" say it all. Lucas didn't deal with what happened. not yet. I think that's a huge part of why he can't let himself be completely happy and he keeps messing up his sentimental life.

I do feel Mark has to show us Lucas dealing with it. This thing can't be neglected.
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Yeah Lucas definitely is best when he is dealing with Dan, so I can't wait to have Dan back properly. I really don't think it'll neglected, once LD stuff gets going they always have some great scenes and maybe this is the Lucas storyline we've been crying out for.

We're actually almost on the same page about almost everything this episode Manu , apart the Owen/Brooke stuff, which kinda interests me a little, but not that much. I also loved seeing Peyton get to be happy about something for an episode, but I agree the storyline as a whole is kinda boring, just like all the career storylines have been. They're literally just there, it's a real shame because I was looking forward to them so much this season and they've just not been handled well at all, or given the time they should have been. It's literally a minute here, a quick scene there and then back to the relationship drama.
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I feel like Mark threw the career storylines in there just to make it notable they grew up, but nothing more than that. It seems like none of those careers really is the focus for any of the characters, which is kind of a shame because I think it would be nice to see them growing up as individuals, dealing with what being adult means.

I really hope we're gonna get a storyline for Lucas. There's nothing I want more now. i think even LP would be more bearable for me if I could get something else for my fave character
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I agree about the careers, it's simply just to accentuate that they aren't in high school anymore, nothing more. The object is then kind of defeated by having them do a lot of scenes in the high school . I am scared of the logic these writers operate under sometimes.

Whether you like Lindsey or not I think LP will be more bearable without her, because LP are written a lot better when they aren't involved in a triangle. That's my opinion anyway. I kind of expect them to happen, then they should be shoved into the background a bit, to accomodate dramatic storylines for Lucas and Peyton on their own. I actually think that could happen with the Lucas/Dan stuff that could be coming.

I'm very hopeful at this point Lucas will have his own storyline soon though, because I mean come on, Mouth had as much of an individual storyline as Lucas this year. Oh the wasted screentime that could have been better used .

The only way a LP storyline could be good for Lucas and Peyton as individual characters and not just them as a couple, would be if they threw a real issue at them. Not sure that's ever going to happen but I can dream .
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I really want something for Lucas that doesn't involve Peyton. I'm sorry but they ruined her to me. I just can't stand her this season, she got on my nerves even in last night episode. So it doesn't change anything to me if Lindsey disappears. I don't like LP because I don't like Peyton anymore. So Lindsey or not Lindsey isn't gonna change that.

I just want something for Lucas. Period.
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I am not a Lindsey fan. It has very little to do with the fact that I am an LP fan either. I just don't think it is a healthy relationship for either one of them. Not that the dance that LP are doing is either. I think Lucas needs some alone time. He is always jumping from woman to woman and I think he needs some sorting time.

Nanny Carrie is not done yet, is she? Her leaving was just too easy for any show, She made Jamie say mean awful things by warping his adorable little mind!
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Lucas doesn't jump from a woman to another woman. he was alone for an entire year before getting together with Lindsey. and he has been with this girl for 2 years, in a serious relationship. now she might not be the love of his life, but I really don't think their relationship isn't healthy. it worked pretty good till peyton came back. back to Lucas, after his relationship with Brooke in S1 and cheating with peyton, he was alone again, for an entire season, apart from a couple of dates with Anna. so I really don't think we can say he jumps from a girl to another. and months passed from his break up with Brooke to being with Peyton in season 4. surely, if the girl of his life, Peyton, finally made up her mind for good about wanting to be with him above everything else, he wouldn't need to move on over and over again

I do agree he needs some time alone. I'm all for that. He needs to deal with his issues and work them out, before being able to have a really satisfying sentimental life. he also needs to start thinking more about himself than the girls in his life, in my opinion. He needs to start being a little selfish and love himself more
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When Haley said she wants a divorce, Nathan's face and his voice just said it all. He loves his family.
yeah, his voice reminded me of the episode 409 when Daunte hit Haley and we know how hurt and sad he was at that time
So it really shows that he cares about his family so much and he is deeply affected by any wrong that might come to either of them. He made a mistake and it's very obvious that he regrets it and wishes he could take it back.
As you both said, he's not perfect but the way they show him proves that he is a good guy and he has come so much from the beginnin. And considering the circumstances he grew up in, it's a wonder he's as good as he is!

Lucas: I really felt for. You could see how much Dan has affected him and the strong feelings he has towards that man are so clearly and well shown.
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As you both said, he's not perfect but the way they show him proves that he is a good guy and he has come so much from the beginnin. And considering the circumstances he grew up in, it's a wonder he's as good as he is!
I don't remember if it's here that I said that, but yes, I agree that considering the way he grew up, Nathan is doing a pretty good job in his life. Sure, he could do better, we all can always improve. But I think both the brothers are good guys and are trying to do their best in their life, and that's a lot, considering the kind of life they both had
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This episode was good in my opinion. I feel like OTH is one it's way back, I knew that when I was left in shock and with tears in my eyes at the end of the episode.

Lucas had his own story in this episode, there were no attachments, no LP, no LL, just Lucas and that was nice to see. His recent storyline has had everything to do with women, and Mark finally broke him free of that. I'm seeing Lucas more as an individual now, the way it should be

I'm hurting for Lucas, and his feelings torwards Dan. He hasn't dealt with any of his Dan issues, and who can blame him when something like that can just tear you apart inside. It's not healthy, and I do believe he needs to deal with Dan and what happened, otherwise it's going to keep eating him up inside.

Nathan should have told Lucas about going to see Dan. The look on Lucas' face when he found out said it all. Lucas needs to realize though that Nathan is going through the same issues and shouldn't expect him to deal with everything in the same way.

I dont want Dan out of jail. In no way do I believe that he has changed, and it's nice to see he isn't fooling Lucas. Ofcourse it'd be good for the storyline if Dan was released and Lucas had to deal with him.

The brotherly love They are always there for eachother, and it wamrs my heart that they aren't judgemental. Lucas could have opened his mouth and given his opinion on the whole Carrie thing, but he didn't. Instead of lecturing Nathan, he supported him, and that's what Nathan needs.

Jamie wow. The whole situation is so screwed up. Telling his mother that he wished Nanny Carrie were his mom, that was just sad and heartbreaking. Since Jamie doesn't understand the situation and really should be kept out of it I can see why he would hate his mom.

He shouldn't have to see his parents fight, and damn, Nathan should know this and understand as he has seen his parents fight their fair share, and that effected him. Sending Jamie outside where he can still hear them and see their bodylanguage.. Hell, why not just let him stay in the room for the whole fight?

I knew Jamie was going to fall in the pool, it was obvious so I was ready for it.
You'd think that situation would bring NH closer together, and get Haley to forgive Nathan, but instead it pushed in the other direction.

NH will hopefully work through this, as it'd suck if they got divorced. It's just not who they are. They need to understand eachother, and stop interrupting the other, and really LISTEN.
Nathan should have told her about the kiss. Obviously it's what pushed Haley over the edge, as she hugged him at the beginning and looked like she was ready to put it all past her.
These two are meant to be, but things aren't always that simple. It's nice to see some real problems with these two, and all that mushy crap in season 4

I love love love Brooke's storyline. This situation is bound to make her realize that she can't blame everything on her mother, which she has become really good at. She needs to take care of Rachel now, and get rid of her mother. I understand her fears of losing Victoria, as Victoria really has no real interest in Brooke, only the ''business'' Brooke.

I totally ship Brooke and Owen now They are too cute together, and seem like such a good match. I really think he can teach her alot, and show her that life isn't all about money and business.

Peyton was so happy for once, and it's about time. Not one mention of Lucas or Lindsay, seems like Mark has finally let that go and is getting back to all of the character's personal battles.
There was alot of drama in this episode, so it was nice to see Mia and Peyton every once in a while just for a change.
Peyton is true to herself, one of her best qualities. I had no doubt that she wouldn't fight for Mia. No way would she ever give her up, and hand her over to everything she hates. They found an alternitive, and let's just hope it sticks!

I'm liking the way things are going, and I hope Mark continues to ''save'' the show, since we are stuck with it
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