Without A Trace - It's 10pm. Do You Know Where Your WAT DVD/Tapes Are? - Page 9

carrieross · 08-12-2005, 08:56 AM

Well, not much to add... watched Thou shalt holt... it was quite okay...

yeah, this S3 is different... am I influenced in my judgement by the fact that everybody says so?

emily_reich · 08-12-2005, 01:25 PM

different?? how so?? i know i've really enjoyed the season 3 eps that i've seen... i guess i would agree that each season kinda has its own unique feel to it... but that's a good thing as far as i'm concerned!

carrieross · 08-16-2005, 09:07 AM

S1 was naive, but good. It was much on the cases, we knew very little about the characters. To have the news that would change my life a little I had to wait for episode n. 16 (Clare de Lune). It was okay, it was the first season.

S2 is amazing. A change of pace, IMO. More dramatic, brighter, more team scenes, more gunfights.

I only watched 4 episodes from S3, I know I still can't have an opinion. Mine was more a guess, a feeling than a critic.
It seems a little less frantic, with more personal stories scenes. A lot of ensemble scenes, which is good to see, but not so believable. And increasingly less office scenes.

I confirm my guilty discomfort in not enjoying Jack scenes about his personal life, while I go on appreciating him whenever it comes to his job.

I watched Light years, I liked it a lot, with the actor who plays Miranda's husband in SATC, whom I think is nice, so I parted for him. Very touching end.

emily_reich · 08-16-2005, 01:03 PM

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S1 was naive, but good. It was much on the cases, we knew very little about the characters. To have the news that would change my life a little I had to wait for episode n. 16 (Clare de Lune). It was okay, it was the first season.

S2 is amazing. A change of pace, IMO. More dramatic, brighter, more team scenes, more gunfights.

I only watched 4 episodes from S3, I know I still can't have an opinion. Mine was more a guess, a feeling than a critic.
It seems a little less frantic, with more personal stories scenes. A lot of ensemble scenes, which is good to see, but not so believable. And increasingly less office scenes.

wow! that's an excellent analysis of the three season if i do say so myself!!!

season 1 definately had fewer dramatic, touching episodes... it was indeed much more case-based...

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I confirm my guilty discomfort in not enjoying Jack scenes about his personal life, while I go on appreciating him whenever it comes to his job.

hehe! ditto

Meredith44 · 08-16-2005, 09:15 PM

I agree with your analysis of the seasons. I think that the first season they definitely tried to be more procedural because that was what was popular at the time. By the third season, it seems that the actors wanted to be able to explore their characters more, so there was a lot of personal stuff. I understand that for the actors, it might not be as interesting to just do the procedural stuff, but I really hope that season 4 is more like season 2 than season 3. I much prefer the episodes that just do a little bit of personal stuff like "Light Years" (with the references to Jack's divorce and his relationship with Samantha), "Penitence" (with the references to Danny's brother) and "Bogie Man" (with the references to Samantha's life as a teenage runaway). I wouldn't mind the occasional more personal episode, such as "Nickel and Dimed", but episodes like "John Michaels", "Malone vs. Malone" and (sorry about this!) "Off the Tracks" went a bit far for my tastes.

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I confirm my guilty discomfort in not enjoying Jack scenes about his personal life, while I go on appreciating him whenever it comes to his job.

I can enjoy scenes about his personal life, but I don't like entire episodes about his personal life. Were there any specific scenes you were talking about?

**NikNak** · 08-16-2005, 10:16 PM

Your analysis of each season was good, Ross.

I don't think that one particular season had too much of one type of episode that overshadowed the others. Obviously, a person is not going to like all 20+ episodes in a full season. There are going to be some that you (in general) like better than others. But I honestly don't think that one type of episode (personal episodes, character development, etc.) clouded out, or was poured on too thick, throughout an entire season over another type of episode (less personal stuff, etc.) That's just my individual observation.

carrieross · 08-17-2005, 05:58 AM

Thanks everyone for feedback. It's much appreciated.

I can't mention a specific Jack scene, cuz I get bored each time. As I said, I feel a bit guilty for this, but I just don't feel sorry or involved into his personal life.

I love him a lot when he does the boss, when he interrogates people, when he gives orders to the others... he's so smart, selfconfident, psychologically a genius... just don't show me his pain about his wife, his marriage, his daughters... maybe it's because they push in that direction too much, so it's not one single scene in 5 episodes, but several scenes in every episode.

Nikki, if I got what you said, I agree that none of the seasons has only one kind of episodes, but there's some tendency towards one direction instead of the other one. I guess it's because people got more and more affectionate to the characters and demanded more... but I hope Season 4 won't show only their personal lives, cuz they're still FBI agents, their problems shouldn't overwhelm their efficiency.

Meredith, in the name of your impartiality, I forgive you for saying that Off the tracks is far from your tastes.

And last night I had the real pleasure to watch Upstairs downstairs, but above all American goddess.

I liked the first, I soo loved the second!! I felt very close to the missing girl, cared about her a lot, and was so glad that Danny cared about her as well! Beautiful Danny/Martin scenes.
Hey, another SATC husband! (Charlotte's). Ok, where are John Corbett and Chris Noth, then? I want mr. Big!

In these two episodes I met again wonderful Danny with his wonderful hair!

**NikNak** · 08-17-2005, 12:02 PM

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Nikki, if I got what you said, I agree that none of the seasons has only one kind of episodes, but there's some tendency towards one direction instead of the other one. I guess it's because people got more and more affectionate to the characters and demanded more... but I hope Season 4 won't show only their personal lives, cuz they're still FBI agents, their problems shouldn't overwhelm their efficiency.

Oh, I don't think S4 would only show their personal lives. I honestly don't believe that one season ever did that for the entire season, so I don't think that would happen now. One of the wonderful things about the writers (which shows that they are good) of this show is their ability to show balance and equalization during the course of a full season. Even if you (in general) hate Jack, love Sam, adore Danny, disinterested in Vivian, or just blah about Martin, a person isn't hit over the head with just one character and their storyline ALL THE TIME and made to feel a certain way about said character/storyline.

jeudi · 08-17-2005, 07:01 PM

I cannot wait for season 4!!!!! The wait is just killing me. September seems soooooooooooo far away!!

**NikNak** · 08-17-2005, 08:46 PM

Welcome, jeudi! It's nice to have you here with us at the WAT board. And yeah, September does seem so far away. Hopefully, the time will past sooner than we think.

Have fun posting.

Meredith44 · 08-18-2005, 10:07 AM

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I don't think that one particular season had too much of one type of episode that overshadowed the others. Obviously, a person is not going to like all 20+ episodes in a full season. There are going to be some that you (in general) like better than others. But I honestly don't think that one type of episode (personal episodes, character development, etc.) clouded out, or was poured on too thick, throughout an entire season over another type of episode (less personal stuff, etc.) That's just my individual observation.

I admit I was being a bit over-critical. WaT is really good, no matter what it does, and I would put my least favorite episodes of it above the episodes of most any other series. That being said, I still stand by my point that I think that WaT did do more in the way of personal episodes this season and didn't do much in the way of those in the first season.

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I love him a lot when he does the boss, when he interrogates people, when he gives orders to the others... he's so smart, selfconfident, psychologically a genius... just don't show me his pain about his wife, his marriage, his daughters... maybe it's because they push in that direction too much, so it's not one single scene in 5 episodes, but several scenes in every episode.

I so totally agree. I loved Jack in Bogie Man. The whole sarcastic/snarky comments with the competent investigating. It was wonderful, in my opinion. When you get to that ep, I'd like to hear what you think.

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Meredith, in the name of your impartiality, I forgive you for saying that Off the tracks is far from your tastes.

I might have felt differently if I adored Danny as you do, but I really just wish they'd done a bit less with it. (I'd feel that way if it were any character, I think.

) And I'm glad you forgive me.

As far as American Goddess goes, I liked the episode. I liked the missing person story and Danny's growth in his attitude towards women.

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Oh, I don't think S4 would only show their personal lives. I honestly don't believe that one season ever did that for the entire season, so I don't think that would happen now. One of the wonderful things about the writers (which shows that they are good) of this show is their ability to show balance and equalization during the course of a full season. Even if you (in general) hate Jack, love Sam, adore Danny, disinterested in Vivian, or just blah about Martin, a person isn't hit over the head with just one character and their storyline ALL THE TIME and made to feel a certain way about said character/storyline.

I don't think the season would be all about personal lives. I agree that the writers can do wonderful stories that balance personal and professional aspects, and I hope they keep doing that. I also agree that they try to balance out the stories that touch on each of the agents. I hate that certain shows of mine do hit me over the head with certain characters over and over. I like that this is truly an ensemble show.

I only critique because I love.

carrieross · 08-18-2005, 12:08 PM

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I might have felt differently if I adored Danny as you do, but I really just wish they'd done a bit less with it. (I'd feel that way if it were any character, I think. ) And I'm glad you forgive me.

I confess: I watched Off the tracks last Friday skipping all the other episodes in the row

I adore Danny so much that I... would push the situation even further!
Anyway, when it comes its turn, I'll watch OTT again, believe me!

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As far as American Goddess goes, I liked the episode. I liked the missing person story and Danny's growth in his attitude towards women.

Yeah, I mean, I got it totally only this morning, when I read (at the office

) the transcript. Great!

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I only critique because I love.

This is just what I think! I'm considering to use this as my signature, if only I was certain everybody would understand!

Oh, I was forgetting: watched Nickel and dimed 1 and 2.

I never wanted to know too much about Martin/Sam ship, and anyway I read a lot of comments around. Well, I was very surprised to notice how Samantha seems not to care at all about Martin, who is very worried about her, and in the last scene she leans on Jack. I know she was upset and badly hurt, but if I were in her condition, for example, I'd beg to see Danny... I mean, she was supposed to long for her love's embrace, so I guess her love was Jack!

I felt so sorry for Martin that I would hug him tight!

**NikNak** · 08-18-2005, 12:29 PM

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I only critique because I love.

I agree.

We debate/discuss/disagree with each other SO friendly and well on this board. Seriously, I just love it.

Meredith44 · 08-18-2005, 02:43 PM

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I confess: I watched Off the tracks last Friday skipping all the other episodes in the row

I adore Danny so much that I... would push the situation even further!
Anyway, when it comes its turn, I'll watch OTT again, believe me!

And you were so good at holding off while watching last season. I guess even you have your limitations!

Did watching it live up to your expectations? (And I suppose I know which episode you're going to hope wins in Season 3 episode survivor!

)

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This is just what I think! I'm considering to use this as my signature, if only I was certain everybody would understand!

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I agree.

We debate/discuss/disagree with each other SO friendly and well on this board. Seriously, I just love it.

I'm glad you guys understand and don't think I'm trying to flame or anything. I love that we are able to get discussions going rather than everyone saying that one opinion is "right". I'm such a disscussion whore.

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I never wanted to know too much about Martin/Sam ship, and anyway I read a lot of comments around. Well, I was very surprised to notice how Samantha seems not to care at all about Martin, who is very worried about her, and in the last scene she leans on Jack. I know she was upset and badly hurt, but if I were in her condition, for example, I'd beg to see Danny... I mean, she was supposed to long for her love's embrace, so I guess her love was Jack!

I felt so sorry for Martin that I would hug him tight!

I must warn you that as one who likes the idea of Jack and Samantha in the past, but not so much in the present, and likes Samantha with Martin, I am a bit biased... I didn't see that Samantha was leaning on Jack because he was Jack, but just because he was the first there. I think she would have leaned the same on Martin (or even Danny or Vivian) if he had been there. Her adreneline had just left her after getting her through that situation, and I think she was just having everything fall on her. She needed comfort from someone who was familiar, but I don't think she necessarily needed the "love of her life". I mean maybe if they had been together for a few years I would expect that she would want him, but I didn't take it as too big a deal at this point in their relationship. Although I agree with you that Martin definitely got the short end of the stick in this relationship. And I would love to hug him tight! (Just because I feel sorry for him, mind you, no ulterior motive going on here... really...

)

carrieross · 08-19-2005, 09:40 AM

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And you were so good at holding off while watching last season. I guess even you have your limitations!

Yes, I have a lot of limitations... just read my sig!

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Did watching it live up to your expectations? (And I suppose I know which episode you're going to hope wins in Season 3 episode survivor!

)

Nop! The problem with it is that I had already watched over and over the scene at Viv's, the one with Jack, the one with Martin (Now we cool), the one at the garage... so it was left a little to watch for the first time. I was used to Danny's angst in those scenes and I wanted more...
but I do remember the first time I watched the scene at Viv's... I was drooling all over the keyboard and had tears in my eyes at the very same moment... the best Danny ever (gulp, with the scene at the bridge, of course...)

Yes, my vote for S3 survivor will not be such a secret...

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I'm glad you guys understand and don't think I'm trying to flame or anything. I love that we are able to get discussions going rather than everyone saying that one opinion is "right". I'm such a disscussion whore.

You should see my posts if I knew English better!

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Her adreneline had just left her after getting her through that situation, and I think she was just having everything fall on her. She needed comfort from someone who was familiar, but I don't think she necessarily needed the "love of her life".

Yeah, I partially agree with this, that's why I tried to empathize with her and her situation... and my answer was: the first coming, yes, but as soon as I saw Danny I'd burst into tears and stretch my arms out towards him.

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And I would love to hug him tight! (Just because I feel sorry for him, mind you, no ulterior motive going on here... really...

)

Do you think I'm buying it?

He was so pretty in that scene that I'd hug him for more than just one reason myself!