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Old 03-26-2019, 12:51 AM
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3x17 - "Chapter Fifty-Two: The Master" Episode Discussion


Chapter Fifty-Two: The Master
Airdate: March 27, 2019



As Betty enlists Cheryl's help to infiltrate The Farm, Archie and Veronica help an ally from his past. Meanwhile, Jughead's attempt to put a stop to Riverdale's drug trade puts him on a collision course with Gladys. Finally, Hiram breaks some surprising news to Veronica.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:50 AM
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I love you Veronica but this aint it. You said it yourself, your dad tried to murder Archie multiple times, so why the hell are you trying to keep him in your life and keep him with your mom? On top of that, Hermione wanted to kill Hiram! And if they are forced to stay together then she might do it again! What is Veronica thinking. Glad they got annulled.

Glad to finally have Mad Dog back and I am glad he didn't die, but damn, they waited a long ass time to bring him back in? And for what reason? This show can just be so dang random.

I liked seeing Archie and Jughead working together. Also Cheryl and Betty.

CMM is hotttt. Thats for sure. But Cheryl trusting him is ridic. Now she sees Jason? How.

VARCHIE IN THE PROMO!
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- Betty/Veronica scene... so brief but so beautiful. Second scene at The Farm, too, was brief but at least they're now sharing some scenes together.

- It's so funny because Evelyn absolutely knows there's no way on earth Betty's joining (willingly). The "interview" was all kinds of hilarious.

- I'm so confused... in season 1, the insinuation was Gladys and Jellybean left Riverdale to get away from FP and his alcoholism/dead beat ways. Gladys makes FP and his alcoholism look like a toddler getting into trouble. Gladys is the worst and it was conjured up out of thin air. The story really lacks continuity.

- It's clear TPTB are portraying Scientology = The Farm with Edgar as the leader but fall short of making it 100% obvious. Edgar is a textbook narcissist... pathological need for attention and admiration, but obtaining it through trickery. Having Betty in front of him is probably very tempting. Evelyn looks so vulnerable around him. The relationship between father/daughter is a Clinical Psychologist's dream. I know I am analyzing way too much but it's still fun to think about exploring this stuff.

- I just don't understand why Veronica is so desperate to keep her family together. She basically wanted to divorce her parents. Yes, it's true, divorce is tough for a child to endure, no matter the age, but it's just weird how Veronica is taking it so hard. She's worried about the wrong things. I mean, I could see her worried about her mother's safety (she sent the dead fish not even out of worry for her mother, just to keep them from divorcing, she basically used the protection angle as a card to play)... more like the side effects OF the divorce but not the actual divorce since that was set in stone to happen for a while now. She does need to lean on others like Betty and Jughead who have had it way worse.

- Jughead just hanging out at Archie's, eating, lol, even commenting on eating is so fun. We need more of this! I also loved when they joined forces with the Serpents, Mad Dog, and the others in an attempt to take down the druggies in the apartment.

- I like Keller overseeing Archie's gym, so at least one adult is around to make sure it is clean and safe. However, you'd think he'd be interested in Elio hanging around. Does he know what his son is up to? He might want to check in with Kevin.

- Archie asking for Veronica's help had me cheering. They will reunite. Also, their "operation" worked out perfectly. Take that, crooked Gov. I am ready for the Varchie reunion. Let's do this. I don't mind if it's a slower process but I want to see signs of getting there in the next few episodes at least.

- It was interesting to find out the real reason why Veronica dumped Archie. It wasn't for Reggie. She chose her family, period. I mean, we saw this overall but it was nice for Veronica to spell it out to the audience. More proof she will turn to Archie soon knowing she made a grave mistake choosing her family over Archie, who essentially will end up being her real family (along with Betty/Jughead).

- I love how Betty had to get Cheryl a shake/malt in order for her to even listen to what she was requesting. LOL. I also love Cheryl making fun of Jughead's hat.

- Cheryl, until her brainwash, was her brilliant self (and I love the two cousins working together) but I hope she gets rescued soon. Where is Toni? They were working things out, you'd think they'd be in a semi-honeymoon period again. Does she know about any of this? Would love to see Toni and Betty team up and save Cheryl. The thing is... we witnessed a hint of foreshadowing when Cheryl was telling Toni about Jason... it is very true... Cheryl has not truly gotten over losing her brother. She has so many emotional scars and pain deep inside of her. It's weird to say but this cult storyline might, in the end, help her finally heal from the loss of her brother. Not with The Farm helping her, but once she's free from the cult, she'll realize she needs to grieve and in a healthy way... finally.

- I forgot about Jason telling Polly they were running away to The Farm. That is actually great continuity.

- I know it's beyond ridiculous that FP is Sheriff and a gang would be undercover detectives but I think it's awesome. I rather see the Serpents use passion on worthy things instead of just hanging around being boring or doing bad stuff.

- Betty and Jughead continue to be the stable, solid as a rock relationship of the show. Don't mess with them, writers. They are too pure.

- I really think Jughead needs to tell FP the truth. Gladys sending her son into such a dangerous situation, knowing the chances were high he could get killed, was evil even for this town. He almost did get killed. Great mother there.

- Did Archie catch Kurtz there after he ran off?

- The last scene with poor Baby Teeth was creepy. If Edgar is behind the G&G Gargoyle King setup what is his endgame?

- Theories on how The Farm makes its members "see" their dead loved ones... I'm thinking hypnotism and drugs.

- Jughead's "this is the best pillow talk ever" was so cute.

- CMM continues to have the perfect Cult Leader presence. He's brilliant.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:57 PM
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Well, this one was more enjoyable. If Gladys turns out to be the real GK I wonder when Jughead will realize it? As for Edgar? I could be wrong but I think he's gonna (pun intended) buy the farm soon.
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:02 PM
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I appreciate the betty/v scenes as well.

I agree about Gladys. I guess J/FP were better off with her gone.

I think Varchie will get back together too but I don want it to be too soon. I want them to share scenes, still have tension and be friends but I think it would be a bit lackluster to bring them back together so fast. I think his romance with Josie can play out until Ashleigh leaves and then maybe next season we can see A/V working towards that.

I did like seeing the Chery/Jason stuff because I did like that SL in season 1 and its nice to see her mention him.

Great thoughts Michelle!
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I appreciate the betty/v scenes as well.

I agree about Gladys. I guess J/FP were better off with her gone.

I think Varchie will get back together too but I don want it to be too soon. I want them to share scenes, still have tension and be friends but I think it would be a bit lackluster to bring them back together so fast. I think his romance with Josie can play out until Ashleigh leaves and then maybe next season we can see A/V working towards that.

I did like seeing the Chery/Jason stuff because I did like that SL in season 1 and its nice to see her mention him.

Great thoughts Michelle!
Thanks! You too!

This show is so much better when the Core 4 are interacting. It’s not a coincidence some of the strongest episodes are with VB and AJ sharing scenes.

They really were better off. I wonder what will happen to Jellybean.

It was pretty ridiculous the Cheryl/Jason stuff was swept under the rug. He meant so much to Cheryl. You just don’t get over that so quickly. Edgar knew what he was doing cashing in on the situation.

I like your idea for Varchie. It’s perfect. I don’t mind Archie/Josie for right now. They are a typical high school relationship that has cute moments but deep down both understand it’s not going to last. I don’t like Veronica/Reggie though. V isn’t that into him. I just love Veronica/Archie. They balance each other out so nicely. Yes, they can take it slow, the payoff for their reunion will be even better.
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Old 03-31-2019, 01:10 AM
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exactly. and just seeing the girls be friends again was nice.

Dont know much about Jellybean but I wouldnt mind her sticking around and getting more focus. We dont even really know that Jughead has a sister? They need to interact more for sure. This show just misses the mark on so many things.

Totally agree! I am good with Josie/Archie, they are fine. I remember after the pilot wanting that explored so I am glad they will be. Veggie... no. They put them together because of the real life couple and I'm not into that. Plus they just dont really work in my eyes and I agree V isn't that into him.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:13 PM
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Random question, but does anyone know.. was this episode called "The Master" or "The Raid"? Cuz I've been seeing both
And when it aired I specifically remember it saying in the description that it was called The Master. But on the CW site to go watch it, it's called The Raid. I'm confused.
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I don't know the reason for that. This was an odd episode I thought. My first question is What's the ''Tri-State''? Achie I believe mentioned the ''Tri-State'' not ''Tri-States''. I've heard of Tri-Cities'' as there are some in SE Washington that are called that, but not that I recall ''Tri-State''. So which state is it?

Also, & I know I've pointed out before how silly some of these names or nicknames are for people it seems are on ''Riverdale'', but ''Baby Teeth'' for an almost grown man seems odd & just silly. Then I learn that there's a man apparently in Riverdale named ''Mr. Evernever''. I mean come on.

Now as a fan of Gina Gershon, I'll say that Jughead trying to get rid of her is pissing me off. I'd say there have been & probably continue to be worse people in Riverdale than her. I do wonder though, wouldn't she owe child-support for him or is that uncertain? Also no matter the lawlessness on this show, it's still that I know of set in the U.S. which is a country with freedoms such as adults usually getting to choose where they live. At this point Jughead just seems like a spoiled kid that is going to do whatever it takes to get his way.

Finally, Cheryl said that she saw Jason. OK. If that's true then it's too bad that the people that watch this show didn't get to see him also. Oh well I guess.
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