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Old 11-15-2017, 03:04 PM
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I will try and catch up with what I have missed in time for January, then. Can't see me being willing to until late December, watching The Flash wasn't exactly easy so soon after the Kreisberg revelations, but I am going to persevere with that because they're new episodes, the abuser is currently not working on the show, and these abusers threaten their victims with the loss of their job, I don't want to stop watching and potentially contribute to that becoming a reality for them. They better be investigating who on that set knew, had the power to stop it and chose not to, though, because they're complicit and have to go.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:20 PM
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Yeah, I'm having trouble watching the Flash too after those revelations, but I will get watch since at least he's not working on the show anymore.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:35 PM
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Yep, the show still has a complicity problem but at least the abuser has gone (assuming he is the only one). A suspension isn't enough though, they have to fire him. I will support the cast, but if this suspension ends in him returning, I will have to stop watching.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:43 PM
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They have to fire him really, don't know how you keep someone on the show like that and expect people not to be outraged about it.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:45 PM
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They can't realistically, but there's such a culture of abuse that I wouldn't be surprised if they tried.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:48 PM
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That's definitely true and I wonder if he is the only one from those shows to do that.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:55 PM
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Apparently Guggenheim hates women, too. Someone that was talking about Kreisberg said it.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:57 PM
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Considering the way he writes them, it's not that shocking really.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:09 PM
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Just seeing some of his tweets, it's a given. He's so publicly sexist it's unreal.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:12 PM
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He's definitely pretty sexist and really hates Katie Cassidy for some reason.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:28 PM
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Gross.

These men are everywhere.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:32 PM
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Yep, they give the guys who aren't sexists an bad name.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:46 PM
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They really do, and it's not fair. I have seem comments like "Men were a mistake", and I get the anger behind that sentiment but it overlooks the men that have done nothing wrong and the men who were instrumental in exposing this abuse, like Ronan Farrow, without whom, all of this would still be hidden.
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Old 11-15-2017, 05:16 PM
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Seeing comments like that annoy me considering I'm not like that at all and I know an lot of guys who aren't either.
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Old 11-15-2017, 05:25 PM
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Like, I completely understand it, and how easy it is to feel that way right now, but at the same time it isn't helpful. It needs to be remembered that this abuse was exposed by a man, a man who fought and pushed for it to be published when no one wanted it.
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