ring of fire

I wish they would have done that storyline. Half of the ideas we have here are better than the show. But the writers don't want Mary to make mistakes and look like a fool. S2 proved how blind they can be when it comes to her. The writers and Laurie were upset most of the audience didn't support the ridiculous Conde storyline and acted like Mary could do no wrong and the fans were just being petty.

S4 is going to be a mess because like you said Elizabeth should have been portrayed as a smart and worthy rival. She acts like a spoiled irresponsible child in Reign and it looks ridiculous because she is supposed to be older than Mary. So Mary's fate isn't going to make any sense for the people who watch the show and have no idea what really happened.

drunkalice

It's quite upsetting because they looked like they were going in the right direction back then but they seem to have left it. Mary's outsmarting Elizabeth on a regular basis and it just isn't in line with her character. I don't think they're necessarily making E the villain but they are making her look like a lesser opponent, too lonely and petty to do anything right, whereas Mary comes across as reasonable and joust and if she ever is in doubt she has great people to support and advice her. At this point I wonder which enchantment gone wrong will cause her to fail and die.

NotDoneAbusingYou

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ETA:

Spoilers from tomorrow's episode according to twitter.

-there is a trial for Catherine. Narcisse uses Claude's poisoning as proof that Catherine would in fact poison her own child.
-Claude tries to lie for Catherine, but Narcisse finds her journal where she wrote about it.
-Mary sneaks Catherine out of the castle.
-Francis wasn't poisoned.
-Narcisse killed his secretary (the same who wrote the rat note) because Lola sees his hand writing and recognizes it.
-Lola finds out about it and the rat in the bath and she's done with him.
-Lola is blackmailed by Elizabeth to go to England, she has her family held hostage.
-Bash takes Catherine to see Francis and bring back his coffin so they can prove her innocence. She holds his hand and thanks him afterward.
-They open the coffin in front of Catherine and Mary
-Don Carlos doesn't remember what happened and he and Mary get engaged.

Maud&Danny

Lola left Narcisse She doesn't know about him sleeping with Catherine but she knows about the rat and Narcisse killing his secretary.

NotDoneAbusingYou

I was so glad when I heard that. Finally she grew a brain.

Maud&Danny

She was in love. Can you blame her? Plus, it didn't take that long.

What's the point of Elizabeth having Lola's family hostage? Does that mean we're actually going to see Lola's family? I'd love that!

ring of fire

Thank you for all the spoilers!

The storyline about Elizabeth kidnapping Lola's family sounds weird. Still it's nice to know Lola will finally get a storyline this season.

NikNak

Thanks.

NotDoneAbusingYou

It does sound weird, but without the specifics it's hard to say.

Michelle009

could Elizabeth secretly in love with Lola? I would like to look at this pair.
Catcisse absolutely not interested. Although, let Catherine takes Narcisse himself.

obisgirl

shut_uo_ste

Christ. So, they're going to do Amy was murdered storyline mixed with the Arthur Dudley, Francis Bacon, prince Tudor etc myths aren't they ? Do not want. Although, the Arthur Dudley mystery is actually an weird, interesting little incident - not true mind, but, still.

fox24

I am sorry about my attitude a few weeks ago. I was mourning francis but I am better now. Who is Arthur Dudley?

SuitUp

Mourning a fav isn't easy

He's Elizabeth's lover lol.

shut_uo_ste

Historically, he was an English man captured sailing on an English vessel in the Mediterranean Sea by the Spanish in the late 1580s. When he was interviewed at the Spanish court, he claimed that his name was Arthur Dudley, he was 27 years old and that he was the illegitimate son of Robert Dudley and Elizabeth I. Born in around 1560/61 when Elizabeth was around 26/7.

He claimed that he had been raised in secret just outside London, although, he said he had often been brought to court as child and Elizabeth had played with him. He said he had discovered the truth of who he was at 17 when he had tried to join the navy and go overseas, but, had been stopped doing so by a royal note from Elizabeth herself. His guardian then told him who he was and he said he then met Robert who confirmed that he was their son and according to his story got very emotional and upset at the sight of him.

It was decided that for his safety that he should leave England and he was put in the care of Francis Walsingham, however, apparently Walsingham frightened Arthur and he thought he might harm him, so he ran away from Walsingham and ultimately joined a group of English sailors, who he was with when he was captured. Some at the Spanish court did actually believe his tale and he was able to accurately describe the layout of Elizabeth's palaces. But, most had doubts. Philip II thought Elizabeth was ****ing with him and many thought he was a spy sent to discover the coordinates of Spanish ships - which is what most historians think he was doing (Walsingham being involved in the story is a red flag - he loved to employ double agents as foreign courts).

In any event he then disappears from the records. Some rumours suggest that whoever he was he managed to escape from Spain and settled in Tuscany. Some have it that he lived at the Spanish court for the rest of his life, marrying and having children. We don't know. It's very doubtful indeed he was who he claimed to be. But, conspiracy theorists love the idea that Elizabeth may still have descendants running around.

Crazy myths about royal parentage aren't uncommon. It's a fairly popular myth that James VI/I wasn't Mary's child at all. That she did in fact miscarry Darnley's baby, but, hid it because she thought he might kill her if he could get his hands on the crown imperial and that she took one of her ladies in waiting new born child. It really flared up again in around 2002 when the 16th Century part of the palace James was born in was excavated and they found the skeleton of a foetus hidden in the walls - the conspiracy would say that was actually Mary's baby. All bollocks of course, but, myths can be stupid fun when not taken seriously. The David Rizzio was actually James's father rumour was a far bigger problem for James and it followed him his whole life.