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Old 01-12-2014, 06:54 PM
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Thanks, Jerry. Doesn't this plot give you s2 Roswell vibes? It's been making me think of End of the World with Liz asking for Kyle's help to push Max away when nothing else would work.
Yes, it really does. That was such a heartbreaking episode of Roswell.
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Thanks, Jerry. Doesn't this plot give you s2 Roswell vibes? It's been making me think of End of the World with Liz asking for Kyle's help to push Max away when nothing else would work.
Totally. GAH! I miss Roswell
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Yeah I agree, I dont think the legitimised thing will come back now or if ever... But if Diane were to ever return I think it would always be in the back of Catherines mind.. And you are totally right, she has always hated Bash!

In the promo it has Francis yelling at Mary re; the prophecy so I dont think she will let Bash get blamed for long, and yes for now they havent developed those love feelings but the adventure they go on and their deepening alliance will change that... the spoilers have all indicated that everything is going to change/shift b/c of it.. The unhappy marriage came from the writers and Adelaide herself so even if they do rekindle something, by that stage Mash will have already fallen in love. And there lies the conundrum...
I completely agree. Here comes a real triangle.
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I completely agree. Here comes a real triangle.
Exactly! This has been a slow burn but its definitely coming.. Otherwise there would be no promotion for a triangle at all...
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I completely agree. Here comes a real triangle.
Well the writers keep saying the "real triangle" of this show is Francis/Mary/Duty so tbh I think firewall's theory is much more likely than yours. No offence.
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Yeah, I wouldn't really put much stock into the promo that's been done considering the network...
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Well the writers keep saying the "real triangle" of this show is Francis/Mary/Duty so tbh I think firewall's theory is much more likely than yours. No offence.
So far you are the only person I hear saying it. I think here speaks more of a wishful thinking. The show is promoted as triangle based. And Bash is part of this triangle regardless whether someone likes it or not. He's on the promotional poster with a reason, Torrance confirmed.
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"The most obvious triangle that you see in the pilot -- literally that you see -- is Francis and his half-brother, Bash [and Mary]," McCarthy points out. "But really, underneath that is a bigger triangle, which is Mary, Francis and France. Or Mary, Francis and duty."

‘Reign’ interview: Love triangles and the history of Mary, Queen of Scots - Zap2it

There is a big difference between what the writers intend to write and what the channel decides to promote. We've all had our fair share of misleading promos in the past, in every single fandom I've been, the difference between what is promoted and what actually happens on your screen is always big.
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And what it says right before Laurie's quote:

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The central struggle, for example, isn't between three people -- it's between two people who will get together and with the country of France.
You can be a lead and be on promo posters without having to be in a love triangle. Reign is not TVD. It's premise is not a girl falling in love with two brothers and being torn. It's about the life of Mary, Queen of Scots in her younger years. It may be fictionalised but they've said they'll follow the big parts of her life. A love triangle at French Court was not one of them. It's not the backbone of this show, it's a plot point.
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"The most obvious triangle that you see in the pilot -- literally that you see -- is Francis and his half-brother, Bash [and Mary]," McCarthy points out. "But really, underneath that is a bigger triangle, which is Mary, Francis and France. Or Mary, Francis and duty."

‘Reign’ interview: Love triangles and the history of Mary, Queen of Scots - Zap2it

There is a big difference between what the writers intend to write and what the channel decides to promote. We've all had our fair share of misleading promos in the past, in every single fandom I've been, the difference between what is promoted and what actually happens on your screen is always big.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see. At the end of the day it's network who sets the rules. So far there is more buzz around B/M/F than F/M/F.
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And what it says right before Laurie's quote:



You can be a lead and be on promo posters without having to be in a love triangle. Reign is not TVD. It's premise is not a girl falling in love with two brothers and being torn. It's about the life of Mary, Queen of Scots in her younger years. It may be fictionalised but they've said they'll follow the big parts of her life. A love triangle at French Court was not one of them. It's not the backbone of this show, it's a plot point.
Especially since, so far, everything in the MFB triangle has been about FM.

I also really think that Bash/Lola is going to be a thing and that it will somehow kill the FMB love triangle for good. There's an interview where Brad specifically mentions Lola.
Mary, Francis and Bash aren’t the only ones with romantic intrigue going on. Brad made specific mention of lady-in-waiting Lola. “Lola’s a free agent. So stand by there.” (here)

Just my two scents.
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Why are Frary fans so afraid of Bash and pair him up with random girls so that he would be out of picture?
This is not happening. Even if Lola or Kenna, or whoever else will be thrown there at the end of the day it will always be Mary for Bash. This show was promoted as love triangle. So you like it or not show will have to follow both ways. Because fandom is already divided. Frary on their own won't pull the show. Because so far they make 50% of fanbase. There is no way show will end Mary/Bash romantic line. Frary was so forced for a reason. They are giving them first half of the season, the other part will most likely be dedicated to Mash. That's what I predict, so far descriptions prove me right.


Why you keep ignoring facts that show itself throws? Like Mary having feelings for Bash and her not denying it. She is on a road of falling in love with him. Her marrying Francis while loving Bash would create drama worth watching. Rather then watch Frary paint dry. You really think they'll love each other, get married, have kids, have grandchildren? All of these? What makes drama in that plot?
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Why are Frary fans so afraid of Bash and pair him up with random girls so that he would be out of picture?
This is not happening. Even if Lola or Kenna, or whoever else will be thrown there at the end of the day it will always be Mary for Bash. This show was promoted as love triangle. So you like it or not show will have to follow both ways. Because fandom is already divided. Frary on their own won't pull the show. Because so far they make 50% of fanbase. There is no way show will end Mary/Bash romantic line. Frary was so forced for a reason. They are giving them first half of the season, the other part will most likely be dedicated to Mash. That's what I predict, so far descriptions prove me right.


Why you keep ignoring facts that show itself throws? Like Mary having feelings for Bash and her not denying it. She is on a road of falling in love with him. Her marrying Francis while loving Bash would create drama worth watching. Rather then watch Frary paint dry. You really think they'll love each other, get married, have kids, have grandchildren? All of these? What makes drama in that plot?
where to begin this post makes so little sense! I'm legit cackling

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hy are Frary fans so afraid of Bash and pair him up with random girls so that he would be out of picture?
I am not afraid of Bash. I think Bash is completely irrelevant, and I think the show knows it. The tagline in the promo for the pilot was "The Queen. The Prince. The Alliance." and Bash appeared for five seconds in the shadows creeping like a creepster. Bash is I R R E L E V A N T.
We are not pairing him with random girls - the show paired him with Lola long before we did. Were you asleep when they had scenes together? Or when Lola told Mary that Bash had feelings for her, implying that Lola and Bash have actually TALKED ABOUT IT. In that one throwaway line, it was implied that Lola and Bash have had more meaningful conversations than he even did with Mary.

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This is not happening. Even if Lola or Kenna, or whoever else will be thrown there at the end of the day it will always be Mary for Bash. This show was promoted as love triangle. So you like it or not show will have to follow both ways.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because unrequited love triangles are not a thing at all. Except that they are. From my fandoms alone I can mention James/Lily/Snape, Raj/Howard/Bernadette, Jenny/Marina/Francesca (even though Marina and Jenny did have sex, it meant nothing for Marina and it was always about Francesca, kind of what is happening between Bash and Mary atm tbh judging what I see on screen and what I read in Laurie's interview. )

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Because fandom is already divided. Frary on their own won't pull the show. Because so far they make 50% of fanbase. There is no way show will end Mary/Bash romantic line. Frary was so forced for a reason. They are giving them first half of the season, the other part will most likely be dedicated to Mash. That's what I predict, so far descriptions prove me right.
Frary wasn't forced lmao. Mash is the epitome of a forced pairing - they have no history, no significant bond yet, they even had to resort to the DRUNKEN KISS which is the #1 plot device to force together two people who would not be together otherwise - and we're being told that Bash is in love with her? Lol please. My other main fandom writes love stories better than that and they're a bloody sitcom.

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Why you keep ignoring facts that show itself throws? Like Mary having feelings for Bash and her not denying it. She is on a road of falling in love with him.
Mary doesn't have feelings for Bash. Maybe she will at some point, but for now, SHE DOESN'T HAVE FEELINGS FOR HIM. Not denying something =/= saying it's true. Usually I only deny secret stuff that I know is true because I don't want people to discover it. If she really had feelings for Bash she would be the first one to say "omg no" because it's dangerous, in her position. Not denying it just shows how much she doesn't care about it at all.

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Her marrying Francis while loving Bash would create drama worth watching. Rather then watch Frary paint dry. You really think they'll love each other, get married, have kids, have grandchildren? All of these? What makes drama in that plot?
I... oh my god... I... don't know.... how to process that....................
Did you... did you seriously miss the whole premise of the Frary ship? Okay so that makes it official then you legit were sleeping and didn't watch any of the episodes, because there is seriously no way you could have missed the fact that FRANCIS IS GOING TO DIE WITHIN THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THEIR MARRIAGE. This is History, and as far as the show is concerned, the main plot is ALL ABOUT THE PROPHECY omg I'm seriously cackling right now.
PS: being in love with someone else when you're married to another person is like B A S I C drama. It's so basic it happens in real life. It's so basic it's what pushed my own parents to divorce. It's so basic it's why my best friend ended her last relationship. It's not quality drama, it's dull. Francis and Mary's drama involve death, wars, political plots, literal backstabbing from Francis's mother. And I know literally no one who is living or has lived the same thing. No. One.


PS: if that sounds angry, it's because I am. Your message was very condescending and seriously infuriating. "Why you keep ignoring facts that show itself throws?" like wow seriously who died and made you Queen of This Is How Everyone Should Experience The Show.
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^ you know, from what you talk I got a vibe that you are a Reign writer, is it true? can you sign my notebook, please, I'll be grateful forever.

You are so bitter, calm down

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We are not pairing him with random girls - the show paired him with Lola long before we did. Were you asleep when they had scenes together? Or when Lola told Mary that Bash had feelings for her, implying that Lola and Bash have actually TALKED ABOUT IT. In that one throwaway line, it was implied that Lola and Bash have had more meaningful conversations than he even did with Mary.
Do you have a small sense of respect? Do you realize that this thread is for all people who watch show, not just Frary shippers, so by speaking badly about Bash you show no respect to people who love him and there are a lot of them. There is no wonder most of us don't even to show up here.

You are clearly living in your bubble, so I don't see any point in explaining my opinion or even argue with you.
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Lmao you have the nerve to call our ship "forced" and when I reply that Bash is irrelevant you're the one to take offence. We were only speculating about Lola/Bash and you walk in like "lol u guys r so dumb lolilol"
Bash is a fictional character. If I hate him it's not going to affect anyone's life. You're the one who walked in here and made it personal so please keep the martyr's lament to yourself because you're not fooling anyone. Also your "boooh we love Bash and you're driving us away" song is some big talk coming from someone who literally ****shamed Mary in this very thread and who has absolutely no problem saying Francis took advantage of her.

I'm not bitter over the show, I know what the real love story is here. I'm bitter over the fact that you think you can dictate the way I should enjoy said show. And now I'm out because you're making me too angry and your words are absolutely revolting.
And telling me to calm down lmao because that's not passive aggressive condescension at all lmao are you for real
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