Spoilers - Oy with the Yo-Yo-ing! ~Luke/Lorelai S&S #381 - Page 6

lilmelodie · 04-11-2007, 06:41 AM

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Ok, watching the promo for the billionth time, the LL conversation has defintely been cut and spliced in at least one spot. But I'm not as concerned about the casual feel of it because didn't we say that the fight when they go car shopping in the next ep is when all the real emotion comes out? I'm going to consider this just a starter conversation, kinda like Nicole and Christopher were just starter spouses.

I agree that it's been spliced and I think that also gives it a strange feel. I was about to blame the CW promo dept., but it's from Global. Nevermind.
And so long as Lorelai is admitting that what she did was wrong and that she's sorry, I'll take it. I think that it's supposed to be an awkward sorry, but combined with the speed with which she's talking it comes across a little weird. I think once we see the whole thing it will make more sense.

Joannathe1 · 04-11-2007, 06:55 AM

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Someone over at TWOP posted this

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My source told me that Lauren called up David Rosenthal several weeks ago and told him that she was not renewing her contract.

IMO, that sounds very unreliable......

I agree, what? She couldn't talk to him at work?

Thanks for the new thread. Love the title. So Lorelai-esk.

glo · 04-11-2007, 06:56 AM

Wow lots of stuff today. Finally got a chance to sneak in here, and catch up. On E Kristin it says that we should start preparing for the end, because it doesn't look good. On MA he says today that maybe things are looking up. I can't figure it out, or do I care anymore.

I want a season 8 damn it! I want it now and I want them to stop playing with us.

Wow that felt good to do!

Anyway, I am looking forward to these episodes and hope that there will be more next year! I am not ready to let it go

Interesting lyrics for the trubadour, could be for either Lorelai though, don't you think? Depending on where they are in the episode?

Bring on the apologies, it is about time!

CineFille · 04-11-2007, 06:57 AM

The stuff about LG calling DR is most likely inaccurate. Actors don't get involved in contract negotiations or discussions. Those are handled between TPTB and the actors' representatives.

caf123 · 04-11-2007, 07:07 AM

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I disagree. Once the SherPa put Lorelai in bed with Christopher, there was no way to sweep it under the rug or clean it up quickly. A huge can of worms was opened, and it had to be dealth with. If Lorelai had slept with Random Rebound Hook-up Guy in "Partings," it would have been different. This was Christopher, and the consequences had to be played out.

Mileages will certainly vary widely on this one.

Yep. My mileage sure varies.

The show had a choice about which consequences to play out - consequences for Lorelai, consequences for Christopher or C/L, or consequences for Luke or L/L.

They chose Christopher; he got the screentime and the (unsuccessful to many viewers) bid for redemption.

They could have given that to Lorelai, returned her brain and let us have her back. She woke up the next morning in Partings with her mind racing as she remembered what she'd done, as the sides said. That could have been her huge wake-up call for her, if the writers were interested in that story.

Sadly, they only gave Luke his brain back, and preferred to waste the last year on a senseless detour, worse, a detour that alienated and upset so many loyal viewers.

Now Christopher is a worse presence than ever before - he's sullied Lorelai, as Mo Ryan so brilliantly described yesterday - and we're stuck with a Lorelai who thinks Christopher is wonderful (just not husband material), who no longer cares about his neglect of Rory, and who's somehow so dumb she thinks he was "just 16" for 22 long years.

A show about a single mom and her daughter degenerated into a time-wasting bid to redeem the selfish, callow absentee father. A few viewers think Christopher got closure. What about the rest of us? We'll never get closure now? That's just one more thing that Christopher took away from us.

blaab · 04-11-2007, 07:10 AM

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Am I the only one who are getting quite annoyed with all these rumors about S8? No offense to those who post them but it just seems that its all going around in circles and its driving me nutty.

Count me in ... annoyance to the MAX at the moment ... it is actually taking me a lot of effort to just focus on the upcoming eps. Which is sad really. It does feel like some crazy rollercoaster ... one moment I am thinking Great, Cool ... another season!!! Then I am thinking *&^$ I don't want one without AB, then I am thinking I do want LG aboard, she doesn't want another season ??? ... then I am thinking let the madness end! Even the message of no other season will feel like good news, the just knowing would be nice

Then I think NOOOOOO I really do want another season ... Then I am all happy again reading Cappu's posts and want to jump aboard on that Zen thing she has got going for her ... but I dunno, I somehow can only remain feeling that way for very short amounts of periods. I will try again

I dunno anymore

right now I just hope that L/L will have some great moments, unfortunately for me I do think what is going on with the other couple or what seems to happen will not make me giddy at all. So there is some pressure on L/L

I do like that there seem to be some Townie stuff ahead of us also! And I am definitely hoping for some good Emily/Richard moments!!! And only a few days ahead of us and the ending of this hiatus hopefully will make me focus more on what I will actually see on screen instead of this endless wondering what will happen seasonwise.

So I guess, bring on those 5 eps !!!

Oh and thanks for all the new info, the links to the promo's, the thread and

for a title. Pretty fitting to how I feel right now, nice one!!!

Caf, I do agree that DR had other options also, but I do understand why he choose for this option. Lorelai imo has never cared about Chris and neglecting Rory. She to me has never held that over his head. I am still thinking that no matter what she is grateful to him for giving her the one thing that is more important than anything to her in her life and well that is Rory. I still feel she never really cared how he wasn't around that much since she loved to have that life that revolved around just her and Rory. Do I have a problem with her not feeling that having a dad around for Rory was somehow important ... more important than her romantic notions of her and Chris getting together after all this time (and I am not just talking about S7 here, more even about the earlier seasons), yeah I do have somewhat of a problem with that, because I do find that a hard concept to grasp, but at the same time I do in some weird way get it ... it turned out good for her or well in her experience. But again, I never felt Lorelai had a problem with Chris and him not being there a lot for Rory before ... so why would that suddenly become an Issue. Especially since in these last seasons Chris had been trying more ...

But to end this fitting to this thread: I am looking forward to some great L/L moments !!!

CineFille · 04-11-2007, 07:15 AM

caf, the thing we have to remember is that the show--and Lorelai's storyline--aren't only about Lorelai and Luke. Christopher has been a huge part of Lorelai's story from the beginning of the show, even when Christopher wasn't on screen. That part of her story had to be played out and completed. I hate that it took thirteen episodes of the last season to do it, but it had to be dealt with before the end of the series. As for Christopher "sullying" Lorelai or Lorelai somehow compromising herself, I don't see it that way. Lorelai has always, always made excuses for Christopher as a father. She and Rory have never held his absence against him--they've always forgiven him, and they've always let him back into their lives because they love him. We may not agree (and I certainly don't), but the characters and the showrunners obviously see it that way.

Moving away from the tree: I just looooove that L/L are color coordinated in the hay bale scene. Love it.

Canuck Girl2 · 04-11-2007, 07:19 AM

For those who are curious about SP and Saw IV filming in Toronto, I have some pointers for you. I used to work in film production there.

Stars stay at hotels in Yorkville. It's extremely rare they stay outside of that area. The most popular hotels for actors are:

Sutton Place on Bay St. (most of the films I worked on had guests staying here)
Four Seasons on Avenue Rd. (for bigger budget film stars)
Windsor Arms on St. Thomas St. (off of Bloor) (for stars that like their privacy)

Another big hang out is Bistro 990 across from the Sutton Place. People who stay at the Sutton Place usually migrate over there at some point. Any restaurant that's expensive or new and hip is also possible.

If you walk around Yorkville on a weekend (most likely when they're not filming) you may come across them sight seeing.

If you check out the Ontario Media Development website (Home) it will give you a list of everything that is in production in and around the city, who is starring in the films, as well as where their production office is. Filming location are not given out to the general public so you probably won't have much luck calling the production office. If you're feeling brave, who knows?

Good luck!

lilmelodie · 04-11-2007, 07:30 AM

Stephanie, don't do anything too crazy

, but I hope you have an SP sighting or two!

~~ CherylS ~~ · 04-11-2007, 07:49 AM

It is Lorelai's story not ours. If she's not judgemental I don't know why I would be. I just don't see Christopher as a terrible person nor do I believe the girls do.
Lorelai just doesn't carry those issues about Chris that some viewers do. That's the bottom line for me.

Mag13 · 04-11-2007, 07:53 AM

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Hey, has anyone read the lyrics to the song the troubadour is singing? It's always fun to analyze his songs. It definitely screams "Lorelai" to me. Or "LL" too.

I like this part:

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Even when ya tried out every key
Still another door worth opening, yea

Thanks for bringing it over!

Ciaobella · 04-11-2007, 07:55 AM

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caf, the thing we have to remember is that the show--and Lorelai's storyline--aren't only about Lorelai and Luke. Christopher has been a huge part of Lorelai's story from the beginning of the show, even when Christopher wasn't on screen. That part of her story had to be played out and completed. I hate that it took thirteen episodes of the last season to do it, but it had to be dealt with before the end of the series. As for Christopher "sullying" Lorelai or Lorelai somehow compromising herself, I don't see it that way. Lorelai has always, always made excuses for Christopher as a father. She and Rory have never held his absence against him--they've always forgiven him, and they've always let him back into their lives because they love him. We may not agree (and I certainly don't), but the characters and the showrunners obviously see it that way.

Moving away from the tree: I just looooove that L/L are color coordinated in the hay bale scene. Love it.

And this is where the showrunners/writers made their hugely miscalculated disconnect with the audience: the Chris/Lore story was never compelling for me. It was not even one of the things that kept me coming back season after season. I never worried or wondered or sat at the edge of my seat waiting for the two of them to find closure. And interestingly, I don't think I ever read a review or critic of the show where the writer expressed a desire or need to see L/C's story play out. Just like this mysterious "unbreakable bond" between L/C that we kept hearing about, their unfinished business was just the token obstacle used to keep Luke and Lorelai apart.

From the internet boards, to the ratings, clearly it was Luke and Lorelai's "unbreakable bond" and their compelling story that attracted fans, not Christopher's and Lorelai's. If the writers felt they HAD to do this storyline for the integrity of the characters' history then they did a piss poor job of writing it because I can't find a single viewer or critic who enjoyed it. And yet we are being told it HAD to be done, like it's some bitter medicine we have to ingest because it's 'good for us'. I'm beginning to wonder if Christopher was the one who Lorelai was really supposed to end up with and ASP screwed up by dabbling into the chemistry between L/L and now the writers feel like they have to finish what they started (with L/L) but first they want to get Lorelai and Christopher out of THEIR systems. Cos the L/L ending we are going to get feels just like some consolation prize, an afterthought meant to keep us quiet.

The whole thing has just been badly executed.

clmorrow · 04-11-2007, 07:58 AM

Most people have some opinion about each of the characters' behavior over the years - whether it is Luke's behavior about April; Lorelai's jumping into bed with Chris; Rory stealing a boat. If we didn't have opinions/judgements about their actions, I'm not sure we would have much to discuss here.

I get that some people are fine with Lorelai's attitude about Chris. I still can't get past the actions of a man who made the choice to stay out of his daughter's life - it's not like he was in the military and based someplace on the side of the planet. I don't know of one woman who would have ever been so passive about this choice he made. I get that she shouldn't be hostile to him because she shouldn't want to harm whatever relationship he does have with Rory; but her marrying him just made her pathetic on so many levels for me.

Am I over it - yeah - the show is probably ending, so it is all done. I don't watch any of the C/L episodes so I can carry on in the future enjoying seasons 1-5 - and hopefully have a nice image of L/L in the finale- but, really, only because I just want Luke to be happy and if Lorelai is who he loves, I want him to be with her.

Joannathe1 · 04-11-2007, 08:03 AM

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It is Lorelai's story not ours. If she's not judgemental I don't know why I would be. I just don't see Christopher as a terrible person nor do I believe the girls do.
Lorelai just doesn't carry those issues about Chris that some viewers do. That's the bottom line for me.

I love when people tell us that it's Lorelai's story "not" Luke's. But it was Luke that Lorelai ran off and cheated on in my opinion.

But... I guess it's that dead tree again, so I'll burn the dead wood like Lorelai should have burn the deadbeat dad.

Ciaobella · 04-11-2007, 08:12 AM

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I love when people tell us that it's Lorelai's story "not" Luke's. But it was Luke that Lorelai ran off and cheated on in my opinion.

But... I guess it's that dead tree again, so I'll burn the dead wood like Lorelai should have burn the deadbeat dad.

Also, if you buy that Lorelai had some "unfinished business" with Christopher as her MO for Partings and subsequent marriage to him, then that surely doesn't help her case or make me hate her less. Because then you'd have to believe that she still carried some kind of romantic "torch" for Chris all the while she was All In with Luke, when she proposed to him, declared he was the only man she ever loved and finally when she demanded he marry her immediately.

But we are also supposed to think Luke was a jerk for paying more attention to his new twelve year old daughter than to Lorelai?