Master storytellers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz ("Lost," "Tron: Legacy") invite everyone to join Emma Swan, Snow White, Prince Charming, The Evil Queen, Hook and all the other resident fairytale characters as they prepare to defend themselves against a magical force from the past that's too unpredictable even for Rumplestiltskin - Elsa, the Ice Queen from Arendelle.
Welcome to Storybrooke, Maine, a small town that probably won't show up on your GPS, but it's a magical place to visit. Reality and myth merged after Emma broke Regina's curse, which had deprived the fairy tale characters of their memories and trapped them in our modern world. When they finally regained their identities, our heroes were dismayed to discover that they weren't transported back to Fairy Tale Land. To make matters worse, Rumplestiltskin - aka Mr. Gold - decided to escalate his power struggle with Regina by introducing magic into the town. But this is our world, and magic always has a tendency to yield unfathomable consequences.
You never give up on the people you love...
The Storybrooke residents do not know what Elsa has in store for them. Back in the past, in Elsa's kingdom of Arendelle, we will discover what happened to her, her sister Anna and Kristoff, and how and why Elsa became a prisoner of Rumplestiltskin. And now that Emma has brought back Robin Hood's wife, Marian, and possibly sparked the end of Regina's relationship with him, will she return to her old, evil ways and do everything in her power to get even? And newlyweds Belle and Rumplestiltskin continue to be deeply in love with each other. But Rumple is hiding a secret from Belle -- one that, if found out, could destroy their happiness - he continues to be the master of the dagger that calls upon him to be the Dark One. Can Emma and Hook commit to one another, and can these two damaged people take their love to the next level? Mary Margaret and David have a new baby, Prince Neal, and are looking forward to raising him into a proud, brave and loving adult. But they are still sad that they were not able to do this with Emma, instead helping her escape the curse when she was first born and not meeting her again until she was 28 years old. Henry is very happy to have both of his mothers back in Storybrooke. But with biological mom Emma and paternal grandfather Rumplestiltskin's blood running through his veins, he will be tested by both the light and the darkness. Finally, Will Scarlet (Michael Socha, "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland"), a former member of Robin Hood's band of Merry Men, has traveled across many lands to make his way to Storybrooke. He finds himself intertwined in the goings-on in town for the first time as his mysterious past pushes him to an unknown future.
As the season continues, new fairy tale characters will be revealed and old acquaintances will be revisited. But not everyone can be trusted. ABC Lead 8/13/2014
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'Once Upon a Time' showrunners spill 'Frozen' secrets (no Olaf!) EW: I’ve avoided asking you specific plot questions because I know that’s the area you don’t want to get into. But is there anything you’re comfortable to tease overall about how the Frozen storyline works into the rest of the show? Kitsis: Thematically we can say the first half of the season is about how you never give up on the people you love.
I’m worried that last night’s Once Upon a Time was the beginning of the end for “good” Emma. Will the Author being in Storybrooke distract her from hating on her parents, or is she guaranteed to go dark dark? –Jamie That, I reckon, is the million-dollar question as the final episodes play out. As Colin O’Donoghue reminds, “The second half of this season is about the struggles that heroes and villains each have. And what great about the show is it’s never cut and dry. It’s never as easy as a villain is a straight villain or the heroes are pure heroes. They’ve all done something that they regret, but learn from it in a positive way.” As for the Savior specifically, Hook’s portrayer says, “We’ve seen moments where you could see where Emma could maybe become darker. Whether or not she does is a whole other thing.” | TVLine 3/30
What will happen when Emma finds out about whatever secret Snow and Charming are hiding from her on Once Upon a Time? — Kyra Snow and Charming will struggle with whether to tell their daughter the truth during Sunday’s episode. “[Emma’s] done a lot of growing over the three and a half seasons, so what happens when you find out that the person that was helping you grow might actually be as bad as the people you were trying to get away from?” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. The secret could actually push Emma closer to Regina. “Given what Emma is starting to go through and what Regina has gone through, there’s a new common ground between the two characters that will help build on that friendship,” executive producer Adam Horowitz says. “In addition to Henry, they now have something else they can share and deal with.” |EW 3/06
Do you have any scoop on what’s going with Once Upon a Time’s Hook? —Jessica
Ausiello: Episode 15 (airing March 15) will reveal why the pirate has a quite complicated past with sea witch Ursula — and the nature of it is “far worse” than any romantic indiscretion, says co-creator Eddy Kitsis. “When you think about what would be worse than having your heart broken, I would say having your soul crushed. You’re going to see the entire flashback of what happened, with the origin of Ursula.”
Is Once Upon a Time actually considering a Belle/Hook pairing or are they just keeping the two busy, while Rumple and Emma are busy with the Queens of Darkness? —Linda No, no, no. They’re not hinting at a Belle/Hook pairing. Belle and Will Scarlett, however, may be a different story, as you’ll see teased this Sunday. As series co-creator Eddy Kitsis notes, Belle and Will, after all, have “a lot in common,” in that “they both fell in love with villains (Rumple and Wonderland’s Red Queen, respectively), and they both hoped that these villains would be redeemed.” And they both were let down. With Rumple banished (as far as Belle knows!) and Anastasia MIA, “Anytime you have your heart broken,” Kitsis says, “you look for a way to smile again.”
Any Once Upon a Time scoop you can share about the infamous Cruella de Vil? –Mason If you’re wondering how Cruella wound up in Long Island, N.Y. while her previous associates Rumplestiltskin and the Charmings landed in Storybrooke, Maine, co-creator Adam Horowitz promises that in an upcoming episode “all the pieces on the chessboard are laid out,” explaining “who wound up where and why.TVLine 3/03
B]I need something on Robin and Regina before Once Upon a Time’s return.[/B] — Max When the show returns, Regina and Robin haven’t spoken since he left town. Suffice it to say, the Queens of Darkness coming to Storybrooke will test Regina’s resolve. “Regina has really shown a lot of decline this year by not killing Marian and doing the right thing,” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “There’s a lot of her that feels like, ‘Why am I continually doing good things when I’m not getting good results?’ As far as Regina and Robin Hood goes, that and what happens is one of our favorite parts of the second half.”Spoiler Room: Regina/Robin| EW.com
I’m going to need some more Once Upon a Time scoop. — Tonya Ask and you shall receive: Robin Hood and Rumplestiltskin are not the only characters who will be leaving Storybrooke. “You’ll see some characters arriving in Storybrooke and you’ll see some characters departing as well,” executive producer Adam Horowitz tells me. “We think it’s fun to venture outside the confines of Storybrooke and see some of our characters in the real world.” Case in point: We’ll actually see an entire episode devoted to Robin Hood’s plight in New York City. - EW 2/20
Any chance I could get some scoop on my favorite Once Upon a Time character, Robin Hood? –Nicole As previously hinted (and despite how Season 4A ended), Sean Maguire will be back in some capacity this spring as Regina’s soul mate. “And for the uber-observant fans,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz hints, “we’re going to shed some light on just why he might have looked different and not had a tattoo in Season 2″ — that is, back when the role was was originally played by Tom Ellis.
Do you know if we will see Emma’s childhood friend Lily on Once Upon a Time again this season? –Dee Horowitz was a bit less forthcoming on that topic, offering only the teasey, “We sure hope so!” TVLine 2/16
Can Belle ever forgive Rumple on Once Upon a Time? — Michelle If she ever will, it won’t happen overnight. “That’s one of the things in the second half that we’re exploring, which is forgiveness,” executive producer Edward Kitsis tells me. “Can good people make a bad decision? Can bad people make a good decision? Can you come back from the bad decisions you made and how? What he did to Belle is really atrocious and that is not going to be solved with a mixed tape and flowers.”EW - 2/13
"This back half is a lot about what makes a hero and what makes a villain and it's about trying to realize our happy endings," Kitsis revealed. "The [storylines] that we were teasing in the first half [of season four] with the book and the author is really going to be in this front and center of this second half. We are really going to be furthering with Regina on her pursuit of a happy ending."
We've learned that there's a fine line between good and evil, so we had to ask it: With the Queens of Darkness headed to town, is there a possibility that Emma could be swayed to use her powers as a villain? "I think that we are going to explore that very question in the second half," Kitsis answered.
"For Emma we are going to continue to explore her powers and what being a Savior and those powers mean and all facets of that," Horowitz said, "She's been very close to people who use magic for good, and with Regina it was people who used magic for evil. Even though Regina has been on a path of redemption, with Emma's it certainly has opened up the possibility of many different magical powers." ET-2/05
Anything on Once Upon a Time’s Regina?? — HeySomeOtherMe Finding the Author’s library was a big step towards achieving her happy ending, but there are still bumps in the road ahead. “This is a quest that has been quite difficult for Regina,” Lana Parrilla tells me. “With all the research she’s done thus far and Operation Mongoose, she keeps hitting dead end after dead end. She’s lost some faith in ever finding this author, but she’s still not going to give up. A lot of that positive reenforcement comes from Henry in being the heart of the truest believer, who keeps her afloat and keeps encouraging her to not give up. He plays a huge part in finding clues. They work together and start to find clues leading to the discovery of this author, so that will play out for the remainder of the season.”EW-1/30/2015
"Emma will continue to explore what her particular heritage really means," says cocreator Adam Horowitz, "as we learn that there are more secrets attached to who she was, is and will be." TVLine 1/05/2015
Is there any chance for Captain Swan scoop from Once Upon a Time? I miss them dearly! –Sarah Series cocreator Adam Horowitz tells me that when Season 4B arrives on March 1, “The tables are turned” for the Storybrooke lovebirds when “Hook, after having Emma return his heart, will now have to fight to protect Emma’s heart.” From what, I/we can only wonder….- TVLine 1/23/2015
Question: Can I get some more scoop about the most recent Blind Item? Pretty please with Smurfs on top! —Kyle It’s not Scandal. Or any ABC series for that matter. It’s also not Jess on New Girl.TVLine 1/13/2015
Question: I know it’s early yet, but any Once Upon a Time scoop to get us through this hiatus? —Jenny As Season 4 unfolds starting March 1, new flashbacks will highlight the Charmings, Ursula’s origin story, more of Captain Hook’s past and the tale of how Regina first met Maleficent TVLine 12/23
What are three words/things that are mysterious now, but won’t be once Once Upon a Time returns this March? — OnceStorybrooke I took your ingenious question straight to the OUAT bosses and the answer is… interesting. “Voice, Feinberg and eggs” executive producer Edward Kitsis says. “Take that, Once people!”EW-12/19
Are the fairies that got sucked into the hat on Once Upon a Time really gone, or is the show going to delve more into the hat’s powers through the rest of the season? –Kip I for some reason assumed that Blue & Co. had been quietly released during all the winter finale drama, but I was, well, wrong. “They’re still stuck in the hat,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz assured me. “And that issue is dealt with early on in [Season] 4B,”TVLine 12/17
THR: OUAT' Bosses Tease Queens of Darkness' Ties to the 'Core Characters' -12/15 As you're looking at the second half of the season, what theme are you most excited to play out?
Kitsis: I would say that right now, the thing we're excited about is what makes a hero and what makes a villain. And what is a happy ending.
How the heck does Maleficent keep coming back to life on Once Upon a Time? — Dina We’ll get the answer to that very soon. “We did say she had a spell on her that made her be preserved in whatever form she was in, be that ash, be that dragon,” executive producer Edward Kitsis reminds viewers. “So, we know that she was exploded into ash. How she gets brought back will be an entire episode.” EW 12/12
Hello Matt, do you know who is going to die during Once Upon a Time‘s midseason finale? –Marko (...about the role being cast for Episode 15. The ABC series is seeking an African-American actress to guest-star as “Miranda,” a 19- to 22-year-old princess. Described as ” warmhearted and passionate,” this lass wants nothing more than to bring peace and beauty into the world. Yet beneath her gentle exterior, she is headstrong and full of grit – so if you cross her, you may find her more terrifying than even the most powerful kings. Did I mention she has a lovely singing voice, as well?) - TVLine 12/09
I can't wait for Maleficent to get back to Storybrooke! Got any scoop for her arc on Once Upon a Time this season? — Annie You're not the only one! Lana Parrilla, who plays Regina, says that the frenemies will share a "huge" flashback episode that takes place before Maleficent (in dragon form) was defeated by Emma. "Regina and Maleficent have a really interesting history," she says. "You'll see how they met and how they became friends." - TVGuide 12/09
Any scoop on what’s coming up for Once Upon a Time‘s Hook? –Stef I am hearing that, as perhaps hinted by Swan’s conspicuous reaction to last Sunday’s liplock, Hook’s heartlessness will indeed impact Emma – and that Belle will get pulled into his predicament, as things get ever dicier. Bonus Scoop: For Episode 15, Once is casting the possibly recurring role of a king whose crown was hard-won, and the fight to keep it has taken a toll. He is also described as “handsome, though not refined, and highly protective of his family.” TVLine 12/03
Question: On Once Upon a Time, will we find out why Will Scarlett/the Knave left Wonderland? —JJAusiello: “Yes, we should be learning more about his post-Wonderland life as the season progresses,” Once cocreator Adam Horowitz answers. “We will also be exploring more of his past with Robin Hood.” TVLine
Sadly, it won’t be long before Rumple puts Hook to use. “He uses Hook as a hit man to get [other magical beings],” O’Donoghue says. “He really doesn’t want to have to do that, and it’s killing him to have to pretend to Emma that everything is okay. Hook does some things that he really doesn’t want to and wishes that he didn’t have to. He’s remorseful for that, but he has no choice.” - EW 11/17
Question: On Once Upon a Time, is Emma going to help out Henry and Regina with Operation Mongoose? —Dee Probably not until the 12-episode Frozen arc is over, at earliest. As Jennifer Morrison shared during our set visit, “I’m sure we’ll get around to it eventually, but that storyline right now is separate from ours [and] there’s only so much overlap that can happen before there’s just too much going on. But I’m sure that in the second half of the season, we’ll all have some kind of participation in that.”
Any Once Upon a Time scoop about ‘Rumbelle’? —Serena Sunday’s reveal that Rumple is after the Sorcerer’s hat and all the magic it contains certainly doesn’t bode well for the couple’s future. “He definitely loves her and wants to be with her, but the hat existed long before she came along and will probably exist long after she’s gone,” muses Robert Carlyle. “This quest is so massive for him. This addiction is huge. [It] drives Rumplestiltskin more than love.” TVLine-Ausiello 10/21
Before the first half of Once Upon a Time‘s season ends, will we find out who wrote the storybook? —Tom Actually, no. As cocreator Eddy Kitsis revealed to Matt Mitovich at the New York Comic-Con panel this past weekend, Regina and Henry’s “Operation Mongoose is going to be a rather big story for the year. Whereas we are splitting seasons in half, this is a story that will transcend both halves.”
In the premiere, Emma reassured him, “Be patient.” But it’s been a while since the show has had anything close to a love scene. Might Emma and Hook eventually end that dry spell? JMO: I hope so. That’s about all I can say| MattM/TVLine 10/02
As excited as I am for Once Upon a Time‘s Frozen storyline, I’m curious as to how The Knave (played by Michael Socha) is going to fit in in Storybrooke. Know anything about that? – Sarah Do I! Just seconds before publishing this week’s Inside Line, I got off the horn with Once creators Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis, the former of which said that The Knave’s “background as Will Scarlett, who was one of the Merry Men and a thief, comes into play very early.” Kitsis then added that for Wonderland fans, “We will be explaining why he’s in town. I can also say that he fits rather nicely into Storybrooke, and his introduction is a really fun one.”
I am loving that Hook and Emma finally kissed in the Once Upon a Time finale! Any hints about how Emma now views him/their relationship? –Liz I can’t speak for the fictional character of Emma, but Jennifer Morrison, the actress tells TVLine. “They’ve both been through similar things, they’re both survivors and they’ve both had to fight in order to literally just live. There’s also something in them where they’ll both go to great lengths to protect the people they care about — and sometimes they’ll do really bad things to do that, but they both have really good hearts, so I think they see a lot of themselves in each other.” Emma is also seeing impressive changes in the pirate. “This season in particular, because Hook has really fought for Emma to be true to herself and be the most powerful version of herself, he’s earned a tremendous amount of trust from her, and that’s what really makes it organic for Emma to feel vulnerable with him,” Morrison notes. “I know that in my own life, I have a strong reaction to people who empower me and say, ‘You should be yourself, even if it means making some mistakes.’ So the fact that he does that, and isn’t at all put off by that, makes it a good place to start a relationship.” | MattM/TVLine
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"I thought you said you could outrun a storm. This isn't a storm. It's bloody damnation!"
"Conjuring magic is not an intellectual endeavor. It's emotion"
"Magic is about emotion. Summon up that moment that made you so angry you would've killed if you could."
"Magic is power. Until you take power, you're not learning anything."
"It's time for us to believe. Not in magic, but in each other."
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Now we can focus on our impending lack of a future. - Regina
Hook: "We're in Storybrooke. Never heard of the telephone?"
"Never think you're ordinary just because you don't have magic."
What he did to Belle is really atrocious and that is not going to be solved with a mixed tape and flowers."Unfortunately savior magic doesn't go quietly"
"I should have listened to that stupid fairy."
"You always think that pulling away from people will fix your problems, but it never does." - Henry
"Just remember love is free but all magic comes with a price.
"The next time a happy ending knocks on my door I'm going to be ready. I'm not going to let this book stop me again.
"A hero always helps strangers.
I made you a promise I intend to keep. Everyone deserves their happy ending.
"It will be like old times. A prince and a princess on an adventure but without the evil queen on our trail. -David
"I don't want him to be with me out of obligation. I want to be chosen." - Marian
"Leave Emma and the rest of Storybrooke be. There's no need to harm them."
“It’s time the villains got their happy endings.”
“Your life is crap.”
“You were blinded by love.”
“You have a mark in the hero column.”
“I know it sounds crazy.”
“I will never go back to where I started.”
“This is not our first monster bash.”
“Love is a weapon as dangerous and persuasive as magic.”
“I’ve conquered realms in less time.”
“Rumpelstiltskin got the best of us.”
“A cripple, a coward with the real ability to die.”
“Beware of lurking pirates.”
“I’m leaving with my prize.”
"You know, you talk a good game, Dark One, but can you deliver in a world with no magic where apparently walking is a challenge"
What exactly are you offering short stuff?"
"I'm just trying not to think about being some demon's lunch."
"Mostly wondering how a piece of undercooked calamari ended up with the Dark One's cellphone."
I don't think that's a real spoiler though. This was from, as far as I can tell, someone who is was on vacation in that area? I'm not sure if none of the usual people saw filming how that person say it unless they somehow saw part of the finale script.
And I think that was her impression, not necessarily something she saw filmed so we'll have to see. They haven't filmed what I think will be the "big" scene yet so maybe we'll know more on Wednesday.
I found something interesting about Rumple said to Belle. How he would come back for her if he could.
Does that indicate he expects the Author to send him back somewhere? And that he thinks Belle won't be going?
Yup ... since the one who spoiled that can't reveal how she knows we have to take it for what it's worth. But I will say again that I do trust that they're not making it up ... I think their opinion is based on something that they did see.
Rumple confused me a lot on this episode! I think we'll get the answers in 4x17 .. or some of them
I'm sure she must have some info. Just that sometimes people's perceptions of things that are happening are different.
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I agree. It's not only the sleeping thing. What Rumple did to Belle in last night's episode was officially wrong. He once again used magic to put her in a vulnerable position. He once again approached her without her consent even though she has made it clear she doesn't want him anywhere near her.
It was wrong and creepy. Definitely wouldn't argue against that.
BUT as a Rumple and a Rumbelle fan I couldn't help but enjoy the things Rumple said and him expressing affection to Belle. Last arc he was doing to same evilness and tricking Belle and speaking about their relationship so coldly, like he didn't value it. This time around he is up to the same evilness but at least expresses his feelings and vulnerability when it comes to Belle. That's what got me back on the ship.
Oh the confusion and pain of being a Rumbelle fan when Rumple continues to be a complete and utter dimwit. We cling to the possibility of redemption and for me that redemption needs to be long and hard for Rumple.
I agree with the last two paragraphs.
I just don't, out of all the things people do to each other, find that creepy. He's an apparently dying man who kissed his wife's hand. I don't think we were supposed to read anything creepy into it.
There is a lot of genuinely creepy stuff these characters do but that, to me, was just a loving gesture by a man who is not sure he's going to be able to see her again.
I do like how we've seen his love for her this half though and agree it wasn't being shown that much before in the first half.
I didn't really see what Rumple did this time as creepy. When he was Hook that was too much for me but I didn't have a problem with him kissing her hand.
I didn't really see what Rumple did this time as creepy. When he was Hook that was too much for me but I didn't have a problem with him kissing her hand.
I wasn't crazy about him pretending to be Hook to get close to Belle. Don't get me wrong.
But I also didn't find that to be "creepy." If he had kissed her or something yeah, but I think he just couldn't help himself. Especially if he thinks he's dying. He just wants to be near her. I don't know why he won't just tell her. That probably won't be addressed.
But they want to draw out their meeting each other face to face (and awake, lol) as long as they can.
I would assume they must see each other in the next episode or the one after that since he has is car back.
If Rumpel is really dying then Henry would be the one to save him. After all the "Boy being Rumpel undoing" haven't been explained yet. So Henry could save Rumpel and undo the Dark One.
That would be cool.
I actually don't want to see Belle save Rumple, even as a Rumbelle fan. What I'd like to see is Rumple save himself. Belle has done too much for him and gotten nothing in return. I don't want to see her lift a finger for him until he is actually redeemed.
I have to disagree with this comparison. The people you're referring to aren't estranged. Kissing loved ones when they're sleeping isn't the same thing as having your ex come into your home and kiss you while you sleep. If someone wouldn't want you to kiss them if they were awake, I think it stands to reason that it's not a good idea to kiss them when they're sleeping. Just my two cents though.
I agree. It's not only the sleeping thing. What Rumple did to Belle in last night's episode was officially wrong. He once again used magic to put her in a vulnerable position. He once again approached her without her consent even though she has made it clear she doesn't want him anywhere near her.
It was wrong and creepy. Definitely wouldn't argue against that.
BUT as a Rumple and a Rumbelle fan I couldn't help but enjoy the things Rumple said and him expressing affection to Belle. Last arc he was doing to same evilness and tricking Belle and speaking about their relationship so coldly, like he didn't value it. This time around he is up to the same evilness but at least expresses his feelings and vulnerability when it comes to Belle. That's what got me back on the ship.
Oh the confusion and pain of being a Rumbelle fan when Rumple continues to be a complete and utter dimwit. We cling to the possibility of redemption and for me that redemption needs to be long and hard for Rumple.
I think what Snowing did in the past was terrible. There's really no way to sugar coat that. I just think they've grown a lot since that happened. At that moment in their lives, they were living in a very black and white world of heroes or villains, and their actions reflected that. It never occurred to them (at that time) that Maleficient's dragon child could be anything but a villain. They're not those people anymore though. They've learned to see shades of gray in others - they're living that every day. They're friends with Regina. Hook is dating their daughter. They're all about believing that people can change and including those people in their lives. Shouldn't that count for something?
I believe it will take some work for them to earn back Emma's trust after lying to her about all of this, but I don't believe they need a redemption storyline. I believe they've been living their redemption for a long time.
See for me since this storyline started I see no major growth at all. I think the point of last night's episode was to show us they really haven't grown from this.
Since this storyline started they have continuously called themselves "the heroes" and the QoD "the villains" trying to get Emma in that mindset too. They have threatened to kill the witnesses of this horrible act. They never once asked Malificent and Cruella about Lily's wellbeing. They didn't actually try to make it right by trying to reunite Lily with Malificent.
They have just been going around selfishly trying to cover up what they did to preserve their own image in their daughter's eyes. That's not true remorse, that's just continued selfishness.
Yes, of course Snowing has done good heroic things on this show, but when it comes to this they have been nothing but selfish. That's why I think it deserves some kind of redemption. Malificent, Lily and Emma all deserve that from Snowing.
So would be nice if Snow and Charming got their chance, given the storyline the OUAT writers chose to give them. (Which to me feels out of character and a massive retcon. Sigh.) Plus it would be great to have some non-magic users save the day every now and then.
Oh I'll agree with this definitely. Major retcon and definitely not something this show originally planned. Snowing never expressed sorrow over something horrible they did in the past and IMO that makes the act look way worse. But this is clearly because A&E never planned this. It's just part of the current storyline and it makes their writing look sloppy.
I hope they get that this was a major game changer and they address it properly. I agree it would be good to see Snowing do something genuinely heroic by the end of this arc to make up for it.
Oh I'll agree with this definitely. Major retcon and definitely not something this show originally planned. Snowing never expressed sorrow over something horrible they did in the past and IMO that makes the act look way worse. But this is clearly because A&E never planned this. It's just part of the current storyline and it makes their writing look sloppy.
Sometimes you can really tell when A&E are doing something they originally hadn't planned.
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It's just sad that Rumple can only muster the courage to express his feelings to Belle when she unconscious
Yeah. I wonder why that is. Does he want to spare her knowing he's dying? Or is he just afraid of her reaction to him? Or is fear just gripping him so much because he's afraid of her reaction?
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actually don't want to see Belle save Rumple, even as a Rumbelle fan. What I'd like to see is Rumple save himself. Belle has done too much for him and gotten nothing in return. I don't want to see her lift a finger for him until he is actually redeemed.
I have a different opinion on that. I need to see character growth BUT I don't need to see the show becoming the Dr. Phil Show.
I like the romance so I definitely would like to see, if he's dying, her kiss saving him. I agree he needs to redeem himself but I also think if he's dying and she saves him that's not the same thing.
He needs to show remorse to her but there is nothing wrong with her being supportive to him if he genuinely needs help. So I am fine if they get back together while he's still struggling with his addiction. As long as he genuinely wants to change.
Sometimes you can really tell when A&E are doing something they originally hadn't planned.
I am not convinced they didn't plan it. I always thought them risking the whole town to save Regina in 2x22 was kind of ... stupid of them. This has it make more sense. They were always trying to do the heroic thing. It was only when their secret was at risk that they tried to cover it up but they stopped themselves at the last minute.
I don't know. It probably wasn't planned from the very beginning but I think it was planned earlier than just this season.
I didn't really see what Rumple did this time as creepy. When he was Hook that was too much for me but I didn't have a problem with him kissing her hand.
I guess I am just looking at it from my own personal point of view, not Belle's. If I was angry with my husband to the point where I'd kicked him out of town, I would not want him kissing me on the hand or anywhere while I was unconscious and not in control of my body. (And yes, the Hook scene was too much!)
I would prefer he come to me when I was awake and tell me the things Rumpel told her last night. If he could do that, I know my heart would melt a bit and we'd start back on a path towards each other.
I do hope they get back together, and Ana and Will get together, because even though I love the Knave I don't like him with her. I would love for Rumpel to give up everything in his life except her, and let her know that she is the only thing in his life, not magic, not revenge, not power. But then there'd be no storyline. Just MHO is all.
Oh I'll agree with this definitely. Major retcon and definitely not something this show originally planned. Snowing never expressed sorrow over something horrible they did in the past and IMO that makes the act look way worse. But this is clearly because A&E never planned this. It's just part of the current storyline and it makes their writing look sloppy.
This is confusing. Why would Snowing talk about what they had done to Maleficent's baby when they wanted the matter to remain a secret? They probably kept their actions locked in the recess in their minds, until Ursula and Cruella appeared. After all, the two had witnessed the Charmings' kidnapping of Maleficent's baby. And it's not the first time that they . . . well, Snow had done something bad or was about to do something bad. Is it really that hard to accept the possibility of Snow and David doing a terrible deed? Is it really that important that they remain morally pure . . . and boring?
As for the spell to transfer Emma's inner evil to Lily . . . that didn't work very well, did it? Emma still managed to become a thief who knowingly kept possession of a stolen vehicle. As a former victim of theft, I find this repulsive. She had threatened to murder Regina out of revenge, after Henry ate a bite of that poisoned apple tart. And she had stood by and watched her mother nearly murder Mulan . . . after the latter admitted that she had stolen the compass to save Aurora from Cora. It was Aurora who stopped Snow, not Emma. It looks as if the apprentice didn't get rid of all of Emma's inner evil.
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I guess I am just looking at it from my own personal point of view, not Belle's. If I was angry with my husband to the point where I'd kicked him out of town, I would not want him kissing me on the hand or anywhere while I was unconscious and not in control of my body. (And yes, the Hook scene was too much!)
I agree.
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"The term 'Black Magic' was originally a reference to the type of 'magic' (spiritual beliefs) done by people who were black and because of the racism of the time - 'Black=Bad'; we find the current idea of black magic meaning magic that is either bad, evil, or lesser." That is just wrong on so many levels.
I also wonder if this wasn't planned in advance, because it does seem out of character for Snowing in my opinion. In Neverland Snow prided herself on never lying to Emma and talked about secrets hurting loved ones. Going to such great lengths to keep this secret surprises me, even though I know they're only doing it for Emma's sake. It's their current behavior that actually bothers me more than what they did in the past.
