Spoilers - OTH S&S #358: Wow, the Four Years Just Flew. It Only Felt Like Seven Months. - Page 10

lovesophia · 01-14-2008, 11:11 AM

LL are together for 2 years right?

Manu9 · 01-14-2008, 11:13 AM

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I just can't see Mark taking Luke ten steps back again

I can. Because when has anything, lame storyline/character assassination, stopped Mark when it comes to follow his vision? sad, but I don't think he would have much problems in doing damage to Lucas's character just to prove LP can win over anything, if that's his vision

-sick jag- · 01-14-2008, 11:14 AM

Hey everyone,

Just a quick announcement please: Do not start a next thread. Please wait for Nikki or myself to do it. Again, do not start the next thread, anyone.

Thanks,

Jess & Nikki

BrownEyes1980 · 01-14-2008, 11:19 AM

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I can. Because when has anything, lame storyline/character assassination, stopped Mark when it comes to follow his vision? sad, but I don't think he would have much problems in doing damage to Lucas's character just to prove LP can win over anything, if that's his vision

If it is that is...

Well I'd feel bad that they would have to ruin Luke's character for that ending if that's the case then. That would be horrible. I'm still not sure if I can see Mark doing it in S5 4 yrs into the future. They're all adults now.

I mean it would be far worse than what he did in S1 in my eyes because this time he actually is an adult and he's suppose to have learned and take steps forward not backwards again. I'm keeping all my fingers crossed for Mark to not go there because if it will I can see it ruin Luke in many people's eyes. I mean he had the choice and Peyton telling him to not marry Lindsey and all that jazz but he still chosed Lindsey when he said "I do".

The best ending in my eyes at the moment is LL... definitely not LP. Because Luke did chose Lindsey over Peyton in the moment he said "I do". So how can Mark actually plan a LP reunion with having done that is what I would like to know? I actually can't see it happening without ruin Luke in the process...

Sparkling_Diamond · 01-14-2008, 11:22 AM

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I can. Because when has anything, lame storyline/character assassination, stopped Mark when it comes to follow his vision? sad, but I don't think he would have much problems in doing damage to Lucas's character just to prove LP can win over anything, if that's his vision

Not that I have that much faith in Mark but I believe if he really wants LP back together, he'll do it right. Whether you liked it or not, the 'your art matters' scene was pure gold. LPers aren't blind though. LP has been royally screwed over with this LL wedding BUT I believe he can make LP believable again; I'm sure, but he'll have to work hard and put a lot of effort in it, something all LPers are well aware of.

BrownEyes1980 · 01-14-2008, 11:27 AM

We might never get an answer to what Mark's exact vision is if we dont get anymore episodes after 512.

Fun!

Manu9 · 01-14-2008, 11:28 AM

the "your art matters" scene was great, mostly thanks to Chad and Hilarie. but I keep my opinion: if Lucas gets back with Peyton after 5.12, to me it will be a second choice. especially if we'll see that it's not because of his own choice, but just because Lindsey is gone for good

Sparkling_Diamond · 01-14-2008, 11:36 AM

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the "your art matters" scene was great, mostly thanks to Chad and Hilarie. but I keep my opinion: if Lucas gets back with Peyton after 5.12, to me it will be a second choice. especially if we'll see that it's not because of his own choice, but just because Lindsey is gone for good

But it does matters in what context in my eyes. We're assuming Peyton leaves to LA right? And Lindsey back to NY? What matters is who he will follow. If he follows Peyton he'll have to prove she isn't second. It will be hard but didn't we all think that it would've been impossible for him to see Peyton as his One after Brooke? Yet they profiled it that way and now I'm sure the not-completely obsessed average fanforum fan has def warmed to LP. In the world of TV, all you need is some good lines, really.

BTW, my friend, who is a casual viewer and also into LP reacted this way when I told her about LL:

"Well, that's stupid..."

What I mean is that she didn't go: "OMFG hkhlhsdoihuzbjk They can never be fixed!111!!!" I realized then that her reaction was normal towards most of ours on here. It's a TV show and in TV land little things are impossible, especially considering love relationships. Also, when she saw the premiere she said about Lindsey that she's practically invisible and that LP obviously still love each other so that's she abundant. And she is, really if you think about it. I don't understand why Mark pushes the LL thing so far.

-sick jag- · 01-14-2008, 11:37 AM

If LP DO find their way back, I agree that it can't happen right away. Peyton knows this, as well; her scene with Brooke, in the church, shows that Peyton takes this situation very seriously. She knows Luke said "I do" to Lindsey; I'm pretty sure Peyton wouldn't settle for thinking she was the second choice. So I really see this playing out (if we get more eps) in a realistic way.

ErinLovesOTH · 01-14-2008, 11:38 AM

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We're assuming Peyton leaves to LA right?

That is pure spec, we have no indication she's leaving.

Sparkling_Diamond · 01-14-2008, 11:41 AM

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That is pure spec, we have no indication she's leaving.

Well, you guys are mostly spot on and I obviously got this from the LP thread so there's a chance it works out this way.

Ayan · 01-14-2008, 11:42 AM

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If LP DO find their way back, I agree that it can't happen right away. Peyton knows this, as well; her scene with Brooke, in the church, shows that Peyton takes this situation very seriously. She knows Luke said "I do" to Lindsey; I'm pretty sure Peyton wouldn't settle for thinking she was the second choice. So I really see this playing out (if we get more eps) in a realistic way.

I agree with you. From the spoilers we have of BP scene Peyton will not be so quick to be with Lucas because in that scene she is taking him saying "I do" hard and she thinks it's hard to take that in. Lucas will have to prove to her she wasn't second choice and he settle for her. If Mark wants it LP I believe he will do it in the right way, and make it like LP can come over anything if they are True Love.

xandadiuana · 01-14-2008, 11:43 AM

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I totally understand what you're saying. But I personally have two huge problems with the scenario. The first is that it's simply not necessary to go to the lengths of having Lucas actually say 'I Do' in this scenario. He could be confused, afraid, torn. He could choose to stay with Lindsay as his girlfriend while feeling this way but the "I Do" changes everything.

The second issue is that if this scenario IS correct, it reflects extremely poorly on Lucas. You don't marry somebody because you're afraid to take a chance with somebody else. If you do you're an arse. So I have to hope you're wrong because I would literally HATE the Lucas character if he would be willing to make a lifelong commitment and take vows before friends, family and God for any other reason than being in love and being confident that this was the woman he was going to spend the rest of his life with. And a 'hiding from his feelings' doesn't work in this scenario simply because he's been asked outright and had enough time to reflect and make a choice.

The "I Do" is what really cinches it for me. I'm not sure why Mark went there because I think it is such a defining moment. A lot of things can be explained away, but to minimize taking your wedding vows is plain wrong IMO. Therefore, the "I Do" makes anything other than Luke chasing after Linsday and being shown as a heartbroken mess unrealistic. Unless of course they do another time jump to have allowed for his heart to heal and the offscreen buildup required

I think I have the same problems you have with the scenario. I still can't believe they'd have to go so far to make Lucas actually say "I do" at the altar. And it's also a disrespect with his character cause it makes him look really bad.

But it's not that I think the only reason he's marrying Lindsey is because he's scared. I think he loves her, he really does. They've been together for some time and seem to get along very well. Maybe he was intending to ask her for a long time, but just wasn't sure yet. But then Peyton moved back to Tree Hill, back to his life, and you can tell how it affects him. So he's got a great girlfriend who's never hurt him and he feels completely safe with, and then there's this other girl he's got feelings for, but he doesn't believe they can ever be happy together no matter how strong these feelings are.

So what does he do? He convinces himself Lindsey is the one he wants to be with, and pretends he's over Peyton. Though we know he doesn't do it very well. LOL

We don't know yet what leads him to ask her to marry him, but whatever it is I think it's safe to assume it was not a very smart decision, right?! Considering he had just kissed his ex that same day?! It's not very honest of him either.

So this is why I hate this, cause I really love his character but there's no way he's not gonna look bad in this situation. Even if he did love Lindsey more than anyone, even if she were his 'one', he still looks bad.

There's no way his decision is ever gonna be ok, IMO. It's too messy. He'd at least should have waited instead of jumping into something that huge.

And the wedding was what? Two weeks later?!
I mean do people really believe this is ok? Is Lucas acting as a person who knows the meaning of marriege. Cause I don't think he is. I think he's acting as a person who is completely lost.

Heh. I can't wait to see how this is all gonna play out.

gotmilk · 01-14-2008, 11:47 AM

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The best ending in my eyes at the moment is LL... definitely not LP. Because Luke did chose Lindsey over Peyton in the moment he said "I do".

I don't really understand this argument. It keeps being said again and again, but why? After everything that we know happens, how will Lindsey/Lucas be a viable, sensible, and logical option as an ending? That would be completely strange to me for Lindsey to take him back after what happens in their relationship, and especially after the way their wedding falls apart. That would be damaging to Lindsey character AND damaging to Lucas's character for him to still try to go after her (after 512 when she moves back to NY) when he knows full well that she doesn't want him. And she doesn't want him because he loves Peyton. That's the reason. So how would them getting back together make any kind of sense when I doubt much will have changed about Lucas's feelings for Peyton in a few episodes.

On top of that, we don't know much about their relationship aside from what we've seen in these first few episodes. So I don't get the argument that Lindsey's better for Lucas than any other girl he's dated, either.

Manu9 · 01-14-2008, 11:53 AM

if Peyton leaves and Lucas goes after her, wouldn't that be still after he asks Lindsey not to leave him? so it doesn't change the situation. it would still be second choice to my eyes