PrincessB

Well first of all I never called it a rape, it's a statutory rape it is what is called by law, of course it's not the same as rape, she had consented and this is whole thing different, I just cannot get past the fact that she was a minor, which I have issues with. (And that she obviously was dumb enough not to use protection shows her real immaturity at that age, and that Neal never went on and checked on her if he had known they didn't use protection, had it not occurred to him she'd end up pregnant??)

I never voiced this because I think we can be happy in our ships, I don't even totally rebutt Neal and Emma because I love Bae, but if Hook/Emma is so openly disliked every single time there's a little spoiler, preview of them, well I guess we can be fair and I can voice this just as much. If there's not going to be the hate and refusal giving a chance for any of the couple, I'll happily join in, but right now we seem eager to give our opinions

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ElizaSparrow

Wow! You know I'm impressed that you're a lawyer??
I'm not disturbed with the idea of minors sleeping with adults in shows because I actually do ship some of them (Damon/Elena before she was 18 for example And all those fairytales/Vampires shows always have those kind of underage love stories ^^) But I get what you mean! I actually never thought about the protection thing indeed! I wonder why Neal never checked on Emma to know if she got pregnant or not...
However, I would rather not start discussing this here

I also think we can be happy in our ships, and actually, I don't mind people discussing their issues with another ship in their shipper's thread (as long as it also concerns their ship ) but the spoiler thread should be a thread to fangirl, speculate, have fun, and those kind of discussions always ruin everything...

Thanks CinnamonHummingbird and Ilda I agree

PrincessB

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Omg poor Emma and Henry I cannot wait for this

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PrincessB

Thank you although this show is very messing with this part of my life right now I guess knowing tons of cases it just doesn't seem to make it right, I have a whole list of issues with Neal which I won't list because like you said it's not a discussion for here Again I know writers will avoid this at all costs (legalities and such) but I really do wish they didn't do Henry 10 years old rather 9 and just close my eyes and think that they had one lucky time only.

Yeah, exactly how I feel, numerous time I held my tongue that every single time a spoiler came out about our ship and people were throwing offensive opinions there and there, if I'm not happy about a prospect of some kind of ship I don't voice it out of respect because yeah it sucks when you come here and that's all you read and dread spoilers to reach this topic because the hate will start all over again. Hook and Emma hasn't even started (I'm confident from all the spoilers we got yesterday it will ) not romantically at all and I'm sure it's gonna be a slow journey and SO much can happen, no one's obliged to like him but gross and so on is totally unnecessary. I will never ever say I won't watch this show anymore just out of pure speculation of something happening because that's not true, I watched this show and still do for how it explores much more than romantic ships there, heck Emma barely had any until this point. I ship Emma and happiness and "fun in Vegas" well the girl totally deserves this after everything

Radames

Yeah that promo is a big deal. All the writers promoted and complimented the promo, The Once official facebook and twitter have promoted it as well.

Also I will let you in on a little secret, the people whom make the promos have to get the permission of the writers and creators in order for the promo to be released. Thumbs up or down on the footage. What they show in a trailer especially one featuring the concept of "true love" is their for a reason and what they showed in their got the thumbs up from the writers.

As far as people thinking Hook is done after this season, oh no. Hook is here to stay.

Hook was featured in a promo pretty much by himself(there was a shot of Hook with Belle and some Captain Swan from the past episodes) but essentially it was centered around him.

They knew they would get big bucks to have this promo be aired alongside football which is the highest paid ad time on weekly television.

He grabs the viewers, he grabs the ratings, he is an asset to the show and they know this. He's the Blaine Anderson of Once Upon a Time.

Hook is a series regular and he is here to stay. So I think the people whom don't like him nor his romance with Emma may want to brace themselves.

Thank goodness that the hate towards the character and couple is pretty much minority. Most people in social media praise the couple including thousands on FB whom have commented on the official Once FB many times.

Also I think it's judgemental of people to categorize Hook as a horrible father figure when we have yet to see him even placed in a remote situation where we can see his potential. Don't judge before he's actually given a chance.

As a final note you can debate till your blue in the face but the facts are simple, they used Captain Swan to represent true love in the same form as Snowing and Rumbelle. They got the thumbs up from the writers and creators for including them. They could have included Neal/Emma, Emma/Graham, or hell even Hook/Milah. They have the footage and it would only take maybe a ten second clip to go along with the concept, but they didn't. That to me says enough.

Gwen107

I don't think the writers have to give their permission for the promos.

The promo for the episode where they showed us the true identity of Dr. Whale showed everything in the promo. The identity of Dr. Whale and that Daniel was in the episode and what happened with him.... The writers kept it a secret for so long. I believe they never wanted it revealed in the promo!

Also in one of the articles about the new episode after the break one of the reporters wrote that he was at the screening and the writers weren't happy one of the new promos showed that Gold crosses the townline. It wouldn't happen if they have to agree with what is in the promos.

Radames

Well from my understanding since I am in the business promo monkey's have to get the thumbs up or thumbs down from the writers in order for the promo to be given the go ahead.

Also when every writer, and social media outlet involving OUAT markets this promo and everything in it, it reflects something. You shouldn't just brush it off.

PrincessB

I very much agree, I also think this promo is different from "what's coming up next" promos that are rushed every week. This promo consists of ALL very canon couples, families, not a single one is one odd out, Nora/Grumpy, Red/Peter etc. It had to be done a very extensive research or strict orders to put it this way, I cannot see it just as a coincidence putting all these couples, families and then one couple that doesn't make sense.

All articles coming out from yesterday mainly talk about the future of Hook/Emma which makes me think it was a big question in that event, he's now one of Emma's future love interests (whether he's to stay, or just happen and go away, irrelevant, he's just one of the "choices" which is how writers have described him) So the promo I think is a grave indication where they'll head now in the future.

Koda

ABC is notorious for releasing promotional material like sneak peaks, stills and promos without consent from the show's creators and on every ABC show I've ever watched the writers eventually got to the point where they wanted to pull their hair out over promos that revealed way too much or were completely misleading.

The promo for "The Doctor" was definitely the worst when it comes to ONCE so far though. David Anders was rightfully pissed and I'm sure the writers felt no different, but didn't go out into the open about it like he did. The season 2 promotion Regina vid that claimed that Maleficent is Regina's sister is another one of ABC's best-of epic fail moments so far.

It doesn't make stuff they release meaningless, but promos, etc. are always put together from their perspective and don't necessarily always reflect the views of the writers. It's pointless to argue about this though since we'll never know what Adam and Eddy may or may not have wanted them to change in this particular case if they had a say in these things.

There's another article about "The Cricket Game" and the press screening with the writers at tvfanatic.com. And Vancity Filming has released "new" pictures of Jorge Garcia and Barbara Hershey on location in Steveston.

Radames

Oh it was definitely a main question asked because it's on everyone's minds. This couple has got everyone talking and aside from the few negatives(every couple has haters you can't help it) it's all been positive.

As for the article and what they stated it actually posed a bright future for this pairing. Particularly the part where "you just choose". Hook will grow with time and he will mature as a character like they all do. Of course right now in this very moment he's not for Emma but that's the beauty of a journey. People change, regardless of whether they want to or not.

He's a regular and one they intend on keeping with everything that has been displayed. Hook is not going anywhere. This promo supports that, as does the sole promo based on him with a dash of CS. This character is an asset to the show and one they intend on keeping.

People need to look at things sometime from a business standpoint, if you look at it through those eyes you can sometimes be able to understand why they were done. This is a business after all.

As for the Hook not being a good father figure, well duh now he's not, but he's only been on for a limited time. He hasn't even been given the chance to show us what he can bring to the table as a father. People change when children are involved, just look at Emma.

Yet every writer marketed and praised the promo on their official accounts? Seems to me they didn't want anything changed. They're not obligated to retweet or promote anything released on the show. It's their choice as writers. The networks job is to promote not them. The writers gave this well researched professionally made promo the thumbs up.

I have a question why are some questioning the validity of the promo solely because Captain Swan was featured? To me that's being ignorant. If it just featured Snowing and Rumbelle no one would be questioning anything but since it shows Hook and Emma people are questioning it, that's just wrong.

CinnamonHummingbird

Uhm...actually I barely stumble across Oncers who really hate Hook.
Hopefully you are aware that "hate" is a very severe word to use and, although I don't want to discuss this now at great length because it's OT I personally support the belief that you can not "hate" any fictional character.

That said, since I obviously support Neal/Emma and have a bit of insight in this shipdom I can guarantee you that almost everyone in this cuddly edge is a Hook fan. If you address the differences between ships and list reasons why you root for certain pairings you should be really careful in mingling them with reproaches based on plain assumptions regarding individual characters...
And Hook is definitely one of the new eye-candies the show served us this season, there is no denying in that. He even won a poll in which it was asked to vote for your favorite new casting addition to the show - shouldn't that be the most striking proof that the Oncers who are rather incurious when it comes to Hook are in the minority?

I might be wrong with this, but my observance based on commentaries posted on several sides - apart from fanforum - rather gave me the impression that the majority of the Hook/Emma shippers used to dislike Neal and SwanThief for tons of reasons...(People, here is the rate of accusations low because they are decimated by the prescribed rules of this forum, but just check other sites and you'll be aware that what happens here in terms of ship wars is little to b*ll**** to what happens over there)

What I want add, before this escalates too much (I'm sorry, but holding back is not always a good solution...we are here to talk and discuss, so why not bringing up a rather displeasing topic and talk about it - you know that at some point it will always burst out if one part of a group holds it back...) is that everyone can dislike a character for his personal reasons, I don't have a problem with that, but everyone needs to be aware that his notions and wishes might not always be backed by others and to start and spread animosity out of exasperation is not solving anything, it only deepens the metaphorical caldera that is existing in the fandom when there are more than one ship existing to a certain character or group.

You can hold an opinion and stick with it, getting that straight, but it doesn't legitimatize anyone to blame and "hate" another character because of that...:S It's just completely wrong and invidious and narcissistic to others.
Reading something like that painfully strikes my nerves. Sorry...

And back to Hook/Emma, I'd definitely grant you fans to have something to cheer about as well, I don't know who said that but I read it somewhere recently, "if some part of a fandom is happy I'm automatically happy as well" but nonetheless I do wonder if you are really pleased with what is shown in this promo? Especially the show Hook/Emma images compared with the "true love theme". If I'd ship them, to be honest, I would totally be giddy about this but...after calming down a bit would wonder if the writers, if they had some influence on what is shown, did poke some fun at me. Or at least I'll feel a bit of disappointing aftertaste. I mean, where are we? At the second season. There are at least more than a half seasons to go - I've read somewhere that they're heading to season 10 (not really pleased with this, but whatever) - and nothing is set yet when it comes to who Emma will end up with (Maybe she doesn't even end up with anyone, lol) or straightforward who her true love will be, if she'll ever have one...
Isn't it a bit too fast to assume that after she chained Hook up at the beanstalk, after Hook pretty much imprisoned her, after they battled and kicked each other butts they'd suddenly be promoted as "true loves"? I could be distinct on this, but there wasn't really a progress in terms of a romantic tie, okay maybe small hinted on one side (besides from the tweets we got month ago), was there? I'd entirely understand the fuss if this would have been the case and if the writers themselves would have pointed towards a possible prospect here, but so? I just don't know, it feels so overhasty, even if with that promo they intend to make prospect - directly showing that most likely are each other's "true love" feels like falling out of the air. However, I do believe Hook will be one participant if we reach the road on which they'll fight for Emma's heart. It's just, I wonder if seriously all the Hook/Emma shippers feel all "wooohoooo it's canon" now and don't question this particular demonstration of their ship?
After re-watching the promo I believe that it might not only be about the pairing that are displayed here, but - also in case of Hook - more about the individual personalities that are ruling the second part of this season.

Anyway.

Woops. This entry expanded a bit...

Again, I'm sorry for rambling. If anyone felt offended by me and this entry, though I tried to stay civil, please...you are allowed to throw all kinds of tissue balls at me or even stone me if you'd like that better.

Kelaine

When it comes to protection (going to try to be family friendly) -

Things can go wrong. Certain medicines can interfere with contraceptives. Also, if Emma forgot to take it a few, critical times (not exactly unlikely for a teen living a life on the road [irregular schedules mess up experienced adults]), well . . . .

Radames

Nah I'm very pleased with the promo and what it showed and no I would not at all imagine the writers were poking fun at me just like I won't imagine them poking fun at Snowing nor the new footage of Rumbelle in the promo either.