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Josh is looking fiiiinee this season :drool:

TFTNT. :flowers:

ABC needs to release the promo already.

TFTNT :flowers:


Yeah ...Lucky Ginny!

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Thanks for the new thread but shouldn't this be #36?

I don't know that I hate Regina, I just think she's sociopathic.

Er, literally.

I don't see her capable of putting another person ahead of herself - not that she chooses not to but that she lacks the essential ability. But it makes me kind of disinterested in her as a person (as a character who can keep the plot moving, it's a different story).

I agree. I love her on the show and she is entertaining to watch, but I'm definitely not rooting for her in any way.

I just noticed all this debate on whether Regina or Rumpelstiltskin can be redeemed and I think that they both can be, but I also think Regina no longer wants redemption or real love. Both Regina and Rumpelstiltskin used a horrible curse that destroyed everyone's happiness, but Rumpelstiltskin did it to find his son and make everything right in that relationship. Regina used the curse purely to make everyone miserable. She just wanted to win. Both of them were very selfish in using the curse, but Rumpelstiltskin did it for the son he loves, Regina did it to punish the woman she hates and everyone else who was happy.

I could possibly see Regina putting Henry ahead of her pride and powers, but we haven't seen her stop doing terrible things for his sake. So much of their relationship is about her lying, manipulating and controlling him. I think she loves him, but it's a tainted love that doesn't really do much good for Henry.

As for Rumpelstiltskin, I think he definitely deserves punishment for what he has done, but I think we have seen that he truly wants real love and redemption. When August pretended to be Bae, Rumpelstiltskin just gave him the dagger to destroy. To put that power and curse behind them so that they could start fresh. He is willing to give up a lot for real love. But I admit that I think his desperation to find his son is starting to take him off the deep end again. He released magic without knowing the true consequences and I think we will see him pay the price next season.

So basically the point I'm making is that I think both Rumpelstiltskin and Regina have a chance at redemption. I just don't think that Regina really wants it.

God I really hate this Rumple v Regina thing. Fact is. They have both done horrible things. They were both involved unleashing a curse which entrapped innocent people in Storybrooke for 28 years. End of story. And I think they both deserve punishment for that. Just my take on it.

First time poster with a few questions.

1. Does Once Upon A Time film in Steveston this week? Are they still filming episode 5?
2. Do you think they will close off more sets soon? I am asking because Canadian paparazzi and fans leak a lot of information. Like the spoiler about Noah Bean last week.

Yeah, we really need some new spoilers/footage so wecan have something new to discuss in here.

Well, partly yes, but she also did it out of desperation. She thought it was her last chance in life to be happy, a new start in another place where no one would remember anything because she felt she couldn't be happy in FTL ("they already think I'm nothing", "there's no happiness left for me in this life", etc...) Was it selfish? Yes, but I don't think she did it just to punish Snow or get her revenge.
I can agree with that. She loves Henry so much (it has been said many times by both Eddy and Adam so there's no doubt about it), the problem is how she shows that. Regina has a pretty messed up vision of love (no surprise after having a mother like Cora) but that doesn't mean she can't love. The problem is not that she is incapable of loving, the problem is how she decides to show that love.
Rumpel chose magic and power over Bae in The Return and he also chose magic and power over Belle in Skin Deep...yeah, he thought she didn't really love him back then, but he chose magic and power over Belle in A Land Without Magic...again. So I don't see Rumple as someone who wants redemption or real love more than anything. Yeah, he gave the dagger to August...when there was no magic so it was completely useless, like he confessed to him after realizing he wasn't Bae. I think if Regina had the chance to bring Daniel back, if she could be with him again, she would forget about everything else because all she wants is to be loved, more than anything. I think Daniel has been the only person in Regina's life who has made her feel truly loved. She had her father, yes, but I get the feeling Regina has always felt he didn't love her enough, not enough to protect her from her mother's abuse ("Oh, now you're trying to protect me?"). She never forgive him that. So that's the problem, Regina has never had anyone in her life who truly loved her more than anything, aside from Daniel, and he was murdered by her mother. So she is desperately looking for love, True North is a clear example of that, she really wanted to take care of Hansel and Gretel and you just have to see the look in her face when their father told her family always found each other. Rumple, in the other hand, had Bae who was willing to do anything to help him, and he has Belle now. He has had so much good in his life and a lot of chances to be happy that he didn't take.

There's no rivalry on my end.... Moonlight certainly is allowed his or her opinion, but I've never noticed one one, period. I don't really see why it matters if someone wants to think Rumple should get redemption and not Regina or vice versa. We're all entitled to our opinions and "deserving" it is in the eye of the beholder.

I personally think Rumple is far different from Regina, but then I don't think it's really worth arguing about. My personal conviction is that the good man he was prior to the curse is still in there while I don't think the good woman Regina was is.....

NO he didn't. He had been planning this for ages.....and even though he did short circuit the reunion for the time being (only the time being), he stopped, he hugged her and he told her he loved her. He put his hand on her face and tenderly told Belle there would be "time for that, there will be time for everything" and he said it in such a way that you knew Gold was going to spend as much time as he could loving Belle. In Skin Deep, I will go with what Belle said (his power was not more important to her, but that he didn't think she could love him) and what Jane said on the commentary......that he didn't think he was capable of being loved. This is why Rumple believed Belle had tricked him. Regina's father begged her not to kill him, but she did. She kills the things she purports to love. The curse is what has destroyed Rumple and he knows it. He adores his son and would do anything to get him back. He worshipped Belle for decades, stayed devoted and faithful to her memory. His capacity to love is great

Clearly, however, we don't see eye to eye on this at all and have different takes on the character, so we will have to agree to disagree.

Betsybelle, we clearly have differents points of view as we have already stated so I think it's pointless to keep this debate. I feel bad because I think this is not the right place to start a Rumple vs Regina "war" :lol: So I am just going to stop here. And of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect yours ;) After all we all have something in common here, we love OUAT, some of us sympathize more with certain characters and not that much with others, but that's the fun part and we all love the show so let's keep enjoying it :)

I think it was speculated earlier - or was it part of a rumor? - that Hook is going to kidnap all the women of Storybrooke?

I wonder if they mean certain, key characters? While we don't know the populaton of Storybrooke - its been hinted it's larger than we think - I doubt they could fit that many on Hook's ship, even if it's a really small town.

Second, several women from SB are accomplished fighters. Deciding to kidnap a large number of women like that is like deciding to kidnap a bunch of navy seals. Sure, it could probably be done, but (if you're Hook) do you really want to bet on that plan?

Then again, maybe the normal rules of good ideas vs bad ideas change when magic and Neverland join into the mix.