slbcwrites

I think the show deserves to be cancelled but I don't wish for it, if only because it seems many of the actors still love their jobs even if the material is beneath them. I do have no problem quitting a show and will not be watching any of 4B unless I see something in the last 3 episodes' spoilers that somewhat rectifies or redeems the complete abomination I've seen so far. Not holding my breath though.

TJChurch

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wild sage growing

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CityGal

This is the place for any spoilers related to the show.

So far an opinion on the show hasn't been expressed only a dislike of the posting of actual spoilers and the person doing the posting.

Talk about the show or move on.

madam magpie

So it is speculation, not fact. Reasonable, maybe, but no one's read sides or something where that comes out?

This show is nuts and really poorly put together, so who knows. Logic doesn't really work here. Cash could think she's doing the right thing. Maybe Frankie does too. Or he could be another Dante. They also tend to recycle plot lines. I hope the speculation is right. Otherwise, Maddie sucks even more than she appears to.

airwair

I suppose you could say it's all just speculation, but I'm not sure how good it is that a 20-something needs to hang out with a 16 year old and very excitedly encourage her to abandon and destroy her family, especially at times when said 16 year old is showing hesitance in doing so.

It is fact that Deacon and Rayna acknowledge that Maddie is being brainwashed and it's also fact that Cash is personally shopping Maddie to all other labels and acting as her representation (to the point where one label head calls Rayna and gives her his meeting with Cash because he said something wasn't sitting right with the way Maddie was being repped) so I don't think any of this bodes well for Cash to be a loving, supportive friend doing the right thing. I'm going to go on a limb and say she's the new villain. Teddy and Jeff are both gone and there is always room for a mustache twirler.

Cristofle

Poor Daphne Sweet little thing has done nothing to deserve her train wreck of a family, lol. I wish we could permanently emancipate Daphne from Maddie.

airwair

Just remembered the line from one of the earlier eps in the season when Maddie told Juliette how lucky she was to be emancipated so she could do whatever she wanted.

Juliette tells her to not wish her family away because it is very lonely when you're reaching out and no one is reaching back.

That's the reaction I would assume someone who is trying to do the right thing would have--not encouraging and pushing to get it done.

madam magpie

Well, Jessy Schram did go super evil on Falling Skies. She was badass, but verrrrrrrry baaaaaaad. Maybe she's playing to type.

TVFan221

All this, plus Deacon and Rayna keep referring to Cash as an evil manipulative snake. They clearly hate her and think it's all her fault. Maddie isn't being abused, there is no reason for her to do this.

Clemgo3165

I wonder how Frankie ties in here. I know from spoilers he's started drinking again out of jealousy over Deacon's success, but why would he wish to destroy his family and with it, Maddie's life?

calidub

I know it's sliiiightly off the current topic here, but I'm a little confused about the timeline of the wedding after seeing the new Deacon/Rayna promo.

We see Deacon and Rayna "rehearsing" (or what I assume is a rehearsal) outside near the water. She's in boots and a dress and a hat and the girls and Tandy and a whole host of other random people are watching. Then we see them later that evening (same dress). Isn't the wedding venue indoors in a barn? I know there's a venue change because of paparazzi finding out, but does it happen AFTER the rehearsal?

Can anyone explain how the rehearsal/venue change/wedding comes to play? Does it all happen within one night?

(Timeline question aside: EEEEEEEEEE! They are so adorable with the dipping and the kissing and the smiling and the vows. I need it to be March 16th ASAP)

kittycats

There is totally no reason that Maddie would go to the extent of taking her Parents to court to be emancipated, other than she wants her own way and feels she should have it. Teen rebellion is certainly not unusual. Communication problems aren't unusual. Going this far definitely is.

Juliette, Scarlett, Deacon: they all had terrible childhoods. Maddie grew up, in a wonderful loving family, with every privilege. Deacon has been wonderful to her!

And to trash Deacon in court, without, as far as we know, making any effort, to talk to him, about what's bothering her!

I can't see her coming off very sympathetically, even though she is only 16.

TVFan221

Rayna wants to get married on her mother's land, or some place that her mother loved (I can't remember which one). It's where she always dreamed of getting married. That's where they are during the rehearsal when Deacon dips her. Later that night is the rehearsal dinner. I'm not sure where it is. While coming out of the dinner the paparazzi get in their face causing Deacon to punch someone out. While they're fretting about that the wedding planner tells them that one of the caterers leaked the wedding location so most likely there will be paparazzi there as well as helicopters above trying to get pictures. Rayna freaks because it won't be private. She doesn't want to share their day with strangers. She wants to change the venue and the wedding planner says that she knows someone who has a barn that's used as a wedding space, so that's where they end up getting married. No paparazzi, just them and their guests.

soup333

And this later comes up in court, I'm assuming. I wonder if Maddie has a reaction to that when it happens, like she's reminded of what happened at his house after Beverly died.

If Cash is a clear villain - and it seems as though she is - Maddie could be seen as sympathetic because she's being led astray by this older woman who is obviously trying to take advantage of her (What remains to be seen is how sympathetic Layla is going to come off while trying to destroy Juliette's life).

Is it clear that Frankie is drinking because he's jealous of Deacon? And he's in court to testify against Deacon? Could he and Cash be in on this together?

This is really a mess. I mean, this guy has owned this bar for a while, right? It seems very strange that he would go this far/support his daughter in going this far to ruin someone he is sponsoring. It's strange behavior.