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Old 03-11-2015, 10:43 PM
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Reign Spoilers and Speculation #38: Will Mary actually go to Scotland?

REIGN SPOILERS & SPECULATION THREAD


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The second season begins with Mary and Francis on the throne of a nation burning. France is rocked by the aftereffects of the plague -- a disease that creeps inside the castle walls, taking thousands upon thousands of lives across the land, and ravages the stability of a nation. From the ashes, powerful lords will rise, carrying out personal, religious and political vendettas, taking lives, and tearing at Mary and Francis’s commitment to each other, and their people. Friendships will be tested, loved ones murdered and betrayed. Meanwhile, a mysterious and deadly threat snatches victims from village streets and castle corridors; leaving evidence of savagery that looks like the work of monsters; mythical creatures who are the subject of nightmares, but who walk among us, doing the Devil’s bidding.




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2x16: Tasting Revenge
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FRANCIS MAKES A BOLD PROPOSITION — When King Antoine (guest star Ben Aldridge) threatens to tell Francis (Toby Regbo) of Mary (Adelaide Kane) and Condé’s (Sean Teale) evolving relationship, Francis makes a shocking move. Bash (Torrance Coombs) and Kenna’s (Caitlin Stasey) marriage is beyond repair after he learns of her scheming, while Leith (Jonathan Keltz) discovers Greer’s (Celina Sinden) unsavory new career path. Megan Follows, Craig Parker, Rose Williams and Anna Popplewell also star. Lee Rose directed the episode with the teleplay by P.K. Simonds and the story by Drew Lindo (#216).

2x17: Tempting Fate
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MARY IS IN DANGER OF BEING EXPOSED — When Catherine (Megan Follows) becomes suspicious that Mary (Adelaide Kane) and Condé (Sean Teale) are having an affair, Mary risks Catherine discovering just how deep her betrayal goes. Francis (Toby Regbo) becomes gravely ill after he collapses and Bash’s (Torrance Coombs) life is in jeopardy when he leaves to work as the King’s Deputy. Meanwhile, things become complicated for Leith (Jonathan Keltz) when he is forced to be Claude’s (Rose Williams) PERSONAL guard after professing his love for Greer (Celina Sinden). Craig Parker, Caitlin Stasey and Anna Popplewell also star. Sudz Sutherland directed the episode written by Lisa Randolph (#217).


2x18: N/A
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TBD

2x19: Abandoned
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(most recent first)

Ben Aldridge TVline interview on Bash/Kenna/AntoineSean Tale EW interviewMegan Follows TVLine interview 10/16New Frary promoVarious interviews 10/2Jonathan Keltz on Greer & LeithMegan Follows HuffPost interviewToby on Mary/Francis and sexAccess Hollywood Laurie interview 9/30Laurie & Ade interview 9/29TVGuide Magazine Scan 9/22New Season 2 FootageNew Season 2 LooksLaurie McCarthy BuzzFeed InterviewEW Fall TV PreviewAdelaide Kane EW interviewKenna & Bash will struggle in Season 2TVLine Fall TV Spoilers (+ new Mary still)Eonline Fall TV Spoiler-ramaPrincess Claude castWhat's Next For ReignAdelaide Kane, Toby Regbo & EP Laurie McCarthy on Season 2Francis' GuiltLaurie McCarthy SDCC Interview 2 3Megan Follows & Laurie McCarthy at Comic-ConMary & Francis’ Marriage, Plague DeathsThe Plague, Bastard Children, Political Problems & MoreCraig Parker Cast As NarcisseCatherine’s Daughter Casting, Henry’s DeathReign Season 2: Exclusive Casting News

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Old 03-11-2015, 10:47 PM
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That must mean they are endgame. Though there were no locisse scenes this ep.
Ugh, it would have been better than most of what happened in this episode though

Anyway, I'm done with this Frary/Monde talk, I feel like we should all celebrate the woman that is Lola after this episode.
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My apologies in advance for the long post
Does anyone else find the conversations between M&F in the video Scarlet posted very interesting? It seems like the writers chose Mary's dialogue very carefully. For example:
Mary: "Does it not strike you as unfair that I've been denied the freedom to live my life as I desire?" (may or may not be the exact words)
Francis: "Do not speak to me of your desires for another!"
Mary: "My desire to put the horrors of my past behind me. I feel as though I am drowning. I need to breathe again...to be happy." <-- Notice that she pointedly corrected him in his saying that she has desires for another? If she loves Conde as she says she does, why doesn't she admit it? Why doesn't she just say, "I will speak to you of my desire to be with the one I love if that means you will come to accept it."? To me, it sounds like she's saying she has the desire to escape, and that seems to scream that she is not running to Conde because she is in love with him, but that she is running to him because she sees him as someone to make her forget (and in her mind, forgetting=happiness). She is in love with the idea of what he can offer, not him specifically. You are welcome to disagree, but that is what I got from that snippet of dialogue.
Also, as soon as Conde puts their plans to go to Scotland on hold and tells her to return to the castle, she goes to speak with Francis? Uh, what? Suddenly you want to speak with him and you're visibly upset when the man you've been whining to to let you go releases you? That just seems to further perpetuate the idea that she's not only indecisive, but is also struggling with PTSD. Oh, and then she tells Conde she loves him when he begins to question whether or not she will change her mind again? Excuse me, but isn't that a little manipulative even for Mary? She seriously thinks telling him she loves him is going to convince him she's not indecisive and fickle...okay, whatever you say.
As we all know, Monde will be over soon and the writers are going to try to come up with some reason why Mary has acted the way she has been, and while I completely agree that Frary is pretty much dead and it's going to be difficult, if not impossible, to redeem them, I do think this episode has set the stage for whatever ridiculous Frary "reconciliation" they're planning. As much as I loved Frary back in S1, they really don't understand the concept that when something like Frary is done, it's done and there's no going back from that (at least not without it coming off as some sort of sick joke that no one finds amusing).
Again, you're all welcome to disagree with me, but this is just what I am thinking based on the dialogue from this ep.
I completely agree with you on this. They really sledgehammered the point about Mary's actions being PTSD in this episode not only in Mary's dialog but by having Lola explain it in painful detail to Francis. Also, Mary is not only portrayed is fickle as Antoine says, but also weak because no matter what she does, she must have a man by her side.
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Ugh, it would have been better than most of what happened in this episode though

Anyway, I'm done with this Frary/Monde talk, I feel like we should all celebrate the woman that is Lola after this episode.
I really gained a lot of respect for her when she told Francis she wouldn't begin an intimate relationship with him. That takes some serious moxy to refuse a King. She's definitely an awesome lady and I hope the writers don't ruin her with whatever absurd SLs they concoct in the future.
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I really gained a lot of respect for her when she told Francis she wouldn't begin an intimate relationship with him. That takes some serious moxy to refuse a King. She's definitely an awesome lady and I hope the writers don't ruin her with whatever absurd SLs they concoct in the future.
IKR? When she told him that I was like "IN YOUR FACES HATERS"
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I don't have an issue with Lola but I don't like how the writers are using her, basically to prop Mary/Conde. I found her dialogue with francis to be ridiculous.
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I completely agree with you on this. They really sledgehammered the point about Mary's actions being PTSD in this episode not only in Mary's dialog but by having Lola explain it in painful detail to Francis. Also, Mary is not only portrayed is fickle as Antoine says, but also weak because no matter what she does, she must have a man by her side.
Totally! I made the comment in one of my other posts to the previous thread that I'm not getting what the writers want us to think. How in the world is Mary considered a "strong, independent queen" when she's constantly running from her problems, looking out for only herself, and defining herself by the love of a man? It's probably harsh of me to say this, but she needs to get a grip on reality, define her place in history (as Catherine said), and face this head-on, as hard as it may be. Running does not make her strong and leaning on men instead of standing on her own two feet does nothing to make me believe she is independent.
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IKR? When she told him that I was like "IN YOUR FACES HATERS"
Well...
I liked that Lola was pictured like a nice person but why always Lola?
Again in this episode, Kenna is the bad girl... And Bash the poor guy...
Those writers can really not have characters evolve...
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I don't have an issue with Lola but I don't like how the writers are using her, basically to prop Mary/Conde. I found her dialogue with francis to be ridiculous.
Less ridiculous than...let's say everything that happened between Monde or Kenna/Antoine imo.

oh and Frary can suck it, there is no going back. I'll never buy them being back with each other.
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Well...
I liked that Lola was pictured like a nice person but why always Lola?
Again in this episode, Kenna is the bad girl... And Bash the poor guy...
Those writers can really not have characters evolve...
Are you kidding me? Should we talk about the time Lola slept with Francis and she's been treated like the devil since then? Should we talk about Marie de Guise trash talk to Lola during the last episode? Painting her as the worst person ever?

Kenna wouldn't be the bad girl if she didn't kiss someone else and thought about leaving her husband for it. I mean, why should Lola be shamed for sleeping with Francis and not Kenna for this? This is Reign after all...
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Totally! I made the comment in one of my other posts to the previous thread that I'm not getting what the writers want us to think. How in the world is Mary considered a "strong, independent queen" when she's constantly running from her problems, looking out for only herself, and defining herself by the love of a man? It's probably harsh of me to say this, but she needs to get a grip on reality, define her place in history (as Catherine said), and face this head-on, as hard as it may be. Running does not make her strong and leaning on men instead of standing on her own two feet does nothing to make me believe she is independent.
Well, the promo department operates separately from the writers. I guess they figure promoting Mary as a woman suffering PTSD isn't sexy and won't appeal to their audience.
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Well, the promo department operates separately from the writers. I guess they figure promoting Mary as a woman suffering PTSD isn't sexy and won't appeal to their audience.
Gee, I wonder why? What? PTSD from rape isn't sexy? Shocker.

But it just makes them look stupid when the marketing department is touting "Strong, Independent" and her actions are just anything but.
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Well...
I liked that Lola was pictured like a nice person but why always Lola?
Again in this episode, Kenna is the bad girl... And Bash the poor guy...
Those writers can really not have characters evolve...
Character growth and motivations seem to be a complete mystery to @Reignwriters who's ceaseless chant is "drama" regardless of which character they steamroll.

Oh, I just thought of something. Supposedly Elizabeth is to dominate S3, but I'm not trusting that will actually happened. Remember S2 was supposed to be about Frary ruling as equals, Kennash dealing with their ward, Pascal and the Leith, Greer, Yvette and Castleroy polygon. How did that pan out?

Also, recently I just realized that Mary Tudor must have died prior to the show's start because the series premiere was about Elisabeth Valois's marriage to Philip II of Spain. Hard for her to do while Mary Tudor was still alive since Philip was Mary's wife before he was Elisabeth's. Their continuity stinks.
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Laurie hasn't thought about what she's doing for season 3. She's just trying to get some of her audience back by waving elizabeth in front of their faces. I guess she didn't feel like promoting all the upcoming adultery.
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Sorry but I didn't like anyone this episode. Bash's sudden turn around made no sense...Kenna considering Antoine didn't ring true...Catherine pushing Lola towards Francis was out of character...no Lola/Narcisse didn't seem realistic...Francis and rando seemed 2014...Mary...oh Mary...how I can't stand you and your idiotic ways. ( Conde lets head for Scotland...wait no let's wait...Francis let me take a lover...Francis take a lover...Conde I can only make out (eighth grade style ) Francis let me tell you about me and said lover...your not jealous Francis...boo whoo...Conde I love you...let's do it in front of Francis (Francis is now a chump)...I might still have feels for Francis...Greer/Leith loving)....it's all dumb story telling and I lost brain cells following along...this show sucks! Shame on me for loving Toby, Anna, Torrance, Caitlin and Mrs. Follows.
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