I'm just curious about your reasons for feeling this way about Vanessa. I've never encountered any GG fan who was a fan of her so I'm just surprised.

No offense, but Vanessa is a black hole. She's sucking the life out of this show. I can't believe this character hasn't been written off this show yet. She serves no purpose other than being an obstacle for DS. Her romance with Dan and Nate are laughable at best and when she can't be in a relationship, all she does is try to screw the UES around (Chuck, Blair, Serena, etc.).

As for Dan not caring and treating her like poo poo, well, I think most of it is due to bad writing/writers not giving a ***** about DV, unless Serena is in a "serious" (cause nothing with Serena is really "serious") relationship, which is the sole purpose of writing DV.

EDIT: That's why I don't care about her vendetta against Serena (and her tag-team with Jenny/Juliet). We all know that in the end Serena will win, cause she always does and in the end Dan will be with Serena.

I'm just curious about your reasons for feeling this way about Vanessa. I've never encountered any GG fan who was a fan of her so I'm just surprised.

I think Vanessa as a character would be much more well liked as a guest star. Unless she is romantically involved with someone, the writes are putting her into storylines/situations that make any viewer who is not a fan of her dislike what she is doing (CV, getting between NJ/DS, scheming, etc). It's just like the writers have such little to do with her that they just use her for situations where she is getting in the way of the other characters. It's a little bit sad for her character.

Also- Did anyone think it was weird how Dan said that Nate wasn't talking to him because Dan took the file last episode. So Dan can kiss Nate's girlfriend and the same episode Nate is like "Oh, its cool, man." but Nate is slower to forgive this? Weird, IMO.

Vanessa has a lot of fans. I like her and find her character to be very sympathetic. Honestly, I don't understand all the hate she gets sometimes. The worst thing she ever did was steal that letter from Jenny. And she's no angel in the next episode but at least I understand her motivations. It's the same with Chuck for me. I won't make excuses for her but at least I understand where she's coming from.

As for the Dan/Nate thing, I was like "WTF?" when I heard this. Very weird, but then, Nate is the dumbest TV character the world has even seen.

I think she is a strong and independent woman who is not defined by the men in her life, unlike so many of the other female characters on this show. She stands up for what she believes in, and actually has something to believe in. Her tastes are similar to mine, and she has been loyal to Dan for such a long time without getting any reciprocation that I feel really sorry for her. Finally, I really sympathize with her desire to belong to a family like the Humphreys based on the neglect and disappointment she experiences from her own family.

Maybe Nate was more willing to forgive when he didn't think Dan was out to hurt him when he and S made out yet Nate doesn't take too kind to someone seeking revenge against his friends and going behind his back and using him to do it???

I see where you are coming from, you and chedsicca. I actually feel the same with Dan (minus the excessive judgments and self-righteousness).

Vanessa just started being the antagonist this week. Just because she opposes your ship doesn't make her the antagonist. I ship DV, but that doesn't mean Serena is the antagonist...