Spoilers - Gossip Girl S&S #166: The MILF and Marcus are cooking up some cruel intentions... - Page 9

Shu · 07-08-2008, 07:45 AM

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See, I feel like CB has enough passion and denial between them to break up and make up for five seasons without having to orchestrate something complex (which is why I'm still confused as to Marcus' existence). And DS have the whole rich/poor complex that has gotten them into at least 5 fights, plus the trust issues thing they just used.

Whereas, since Nate judges nothing, lol, he would never be angry with Serena. And since Serena seeks approval before anything, she would never be angry with Nate. They would just be in luuuuuuurve.

which is enough to make me snore at my keyboard...I want myself some sweetness, some angst...some learning to beat the odds because of love. yes I'm a freakin romantic and its why I love DS so damn much...its the same reason why i love CB...cause its about blair and chuck finding love in the most unusual places.
TA: But that didn't happen in season 2. KH renogatiated her contract that had expired earlier in the series. Contract negotiations don't really happen between seaosn 1 and 2. The only exception imo are jess and ed who didn't have regular status and now will.

gems81 · 07-08-2008, 07:53 AM

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See, I feel like CB has enough passion and denial between them to break up and make up for five seasons without having to orchestrate something complex (which is why I'm still confused as to Marcus' existence).
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I'd have loved CB- without LM- struggling to get together. But I have the feeling that a random character was needed (they thought it was needed) to show B's struggle to move on and try to find again a perfect guy, without being able because she couldn't get over C. They needed to find her a rebound, since C ditched her. And in this way they could show C caring/ loving/being jealous of B, even after the way he stood her up-

Of course, they could have found a less disturbing (for me) solution.

~Brady~ · 07-08-2008, 07:56 AM

I think LM will move their story along in the end. Chuck realizing that being in love doesn't have to be so scary, and Balir realizing she loves Chuck, with his faults and all.

ggtada1 · 07-08-2008, 08:04 AM

LOL I guess it's a matter of POV, if you accept what Josh tells us about Dan (Rufus says it, Penn says it) that Dan is judgmental, doesn't accept S for who she is, then I can't find DS sweet -- in fact S is putting herself down in a way because she can't accept herself. It's one thing for her to know she did wrong things in the past, it's another to let her boyfriend judge her for who she is just because she needs to feel love and affection. It's sad. I will be curious as to why S finally decides they have to break-up.

NS just dont make me snore at the keyboard...the way they bantered during the bath fight. The way he just KNOWS how she gets in the summer, there's something lurking underneath. She has a hold over him, yet Nate still has a strength around her. And she just laughs, laughs, laughs when in his presence.

eta: I'm just curious, sincerely, is Dan really beating the odds? He is not poor--he's definitely upper middle class, he's successful, his father is living off royalties, thus luxuriously retired basically at the young age of what, 37!! LOL and has an art gallery in one of the most vibrant cities on Earth...he goes to one of the premier NYC prep schools and will gain admittance to a top 10 college...which odds will Dan be beating? I don't think this is a very unique story...so many people I know marry people like this, or am I just jaded? So many girls like S choose to be with guys like D to be "interesting" and feel validated, at least in the US.

Kary1591 · 07-08-2008, 08:25 AM

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LOL I guess it's a matter of POV, if you accept what Josh tells us about Dan (Rufus says it, Penn says it) that Dan is judgmental, doesn't accept S for who she is, then I can't find DS sweet -- in fact S is putting herself down in a way because she can't accept herself. It's one thing for her to know she did wrong things in the past, it's another to let her boyfriend judge her for who she is just because she needs to feel love and affection. It's sad. I will be curious as to why S finally decides they have to break-up.

NS just dont make me snore at the keyboard...the way they bantered during the bath fight. The way he just KNOWS how she gets in the summer, there's something lurking underneath. She has a hold over him, yet Nate still has a strength around her. And she just laughs, laughs, laughs when in his presence.

eta: I'm just curious, sincerely, is Dan really beating the odds? He is not poor--he's definitely upper middle class, he's successful, his father is living off royalties, thus luxuriously retired basically at the young age of what, 37!! LOL and has an art gallery in one of the most vibrant cities on Earth...he goes to one of the premier NYC prep schools and will gain admittance to a top 10 college...which odds will Dan be beating? I don't think this is a very unique story...so many people I know marry people like this, or am I just jaded? So many girls like S choose to be with guys like D to be "interesting" and feel validated, at least in the US.

OMG Daph, that's exactly what i say ALL the time... i read people saying darena needs to end up together to teach the whole rich-poor clicheness lesson... i read that it's a lesson that HAS to be put in, but i honestly don't get anything out of this lesson? dan already has everything anyone could possibly want/need, ok he's not as rich as the rest, but he's not living in a dumpster either, he's got a great family, support, great education, a great friend in Vanessa, he's got everything... i don't get this lesson we should get from darena... if the lesson is for dan to overcome his judginess... he could always befriend the UES, proves how much he'd have grown, i mean standing this life for someone u date is one thing, he's just tolerating them, but actually befriending them is a different story, that's a bigger lesson IMO

strikeleo · 07-08-2008, 08:45 AM

I want Nate to be jelous when he sees Serena with the bodyguard (if he sees).

roswellcharmed_2000 · 07-08-2008, 08:47 AM

I'm thinking that it means that Dan is not part of the UES world to start with. Yes, he forced himself in there by going to school, but he still doesn't know wtf is going on some of the time. I think they showed that pretty well with how Serena balanced him and Blair.

...how is Serena getting involved with Nate going to make her feel better, exactly? The only time they were romantic like that she felt so much shame.

hiltonfan17 · 07-08-2008, 08:52 AM

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strikeleo · 07-08-2008, 08:52 AM

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I'm thinking that it means that Dan is not part of the UES world to start with. Yes, he forced himself in there by going to school, but he still doesn't know wtf is going on some of the time. I think they showed that pretty well with how Serena balanced him and Blair.

...how is Serena getting involved with Nate going to make her feel better, exactly? The only time they were romantic like that she felt so much shame.

For one, she doesn't have to be ashamed of being herself in front of him.
He knows her, and he knows she is changed, so she wouldn't have a hard time letting him in like she has with Dan. She wouldn't be judged.

ETA - I don't think that Dan's poor, but in the world he wants to be in (UES), he is considered poor since they have much more money and all.
and that's what I don't get, he is constantly bashing the UESer and then he tries to be in this world.

Whitney · 07-08-2008, 08:53 AM

Everytime I come here you guys are having such good discussions, I love this thread, especially since it's not petty.

Just to jump on the NS question. I think NS from two years ago and NS where they are now are so different. The underlying stuff is the same, they don't judge each other, they're always there to listen, they seem to get each other. But the shame factor is gone. Neither one are chasing the other now or going behind anyone's back. They're supporting one another, speaking their mind and just being really good friends to each other. I think it's obvious that being around Nate now is just an easy thing for Serena, it was before the sex, and it finally is again. She doesn't have to hide from him at all and thats major in any friendship or relationship.

As for storylines I think you can take any couple and make them a good storyline if you want to. There are a million different ways you could go with any of these characters as long as you build the character up first and then go onto the couple and plot. So with NS I'm really loving seeing them in seperate storylines that are adding depth to them, as well as getting their friendship on the side before anythign romantic ever peaks out. I don't mind the wait, in fact to me thats one of the best parts of any couple if done well. I prefer big builds over instant coupledom, even thought admittedly I've shipped some instant couples before. I always missed the build up though.

Kary1591 · 07-08-2008, 08:54 AM

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I'm thinking that it means that Dan is not part of the UES world to start with. Yes, he forced himself in there by going to school, but he still doesn't know wtf is going on some of the time. I think they showed that pretty well with how Serena balanced him and Blair.

...how is Serena getting involved with Nate going to make her feel better, exactly? The only time they were romantic like that she felt so much shame.

I still don't see the lesson... we've seen this a million times... can't we for once have an actual original ending, in which they admit different worlds don't always mix?

and well the only time NS were romantic they were in a completely different situation...

that's another reason why i love SereNate, if someone has a "forbidden love" on this show it's them... how can Nate not make Serena feel better? Simply by not judging her, her friends, or her life is reason enough for me... Simply by loving her for who she is, like he always has...

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I want Nate to be jelous when he sees Serena with the bodyguard (if he sees).

I think the first epi is too soon for Nate to be jealous, this needs to take time IMO

strikeleo · 07-08-2008, 08:57 AM

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I still don't see the lesson... we've seen this a million times... can't we for once have an actual original ending, in which they admit different worlds don't always mix?

and well the only time NS were romantic they were in a completely different situation...

that's another reason why i love SereNate, if someone has a "forbidden love" on this show it's them... how can Nate not make Serena feel better? Simply by not judging her, her friends, or her life is reason enough for me... Simply by loving her for who she is, like he always has...

I think the first epi is too soon for Nate to be jealous, this needs to take time IMO

I know, but I so need for them to happen...
I think I would be happier if we weren't getting this spoilers about DS... if anything
I don't want them to be like RM, I want them to be over and done, and then we can see NS and we can ignore DV

Whitney · 07-08-2008, 08:57 AM

I don't get the whole rich girl/poor guy moral either. And I don't think that should drive the story. I'm not saying DS shouldn't end up together, were not far enough along to even tell. But putting a moral into a story isn't a good reason to me. This is a teen soap, bottom line it's not trying to teach us values. Besides I've seen shows start off with that before - DC with Dawson and Joey, the girl from the wrong side of the creek. Well she ended up with a boy on the wrong side too but it made sense from the storytelling. If they write it so Dan and Serena's happiness have to include each other, then fine, it'll suck for me but I'll accept it (as long as I get CB!). But so far they haven't put anything in stone and I'm excited to see how they write NS this season.

Miss Bass · 07-08-2008, 09:04 AM

What I adore about NS is that they (unlike DS) unify the whole cast instead of isolate themselves from it. Like NS will include CB in their drama in one way and DV in another. They just have so much SL potential at this point

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I think LM will move their story along in the end. Chuck realizing that being in love doesn't have to be so scary, and Balir realizing she loves Chuck, with his faults and all.

I actually hope not, because CB shouldn't need a lamo plot like LM fake-meestah-perrrfect to get them together. And in any case it's senseless and bad storytelling imo. I just hope the B/LM plot is light fun and scandalous. NV where so far the only short fling in the show and I want more!

~*twilight*to*starlight*~ · 07-08-2008, 09:05 AM

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LOL I guess it's a matter of POV, if you accept what Josh tells us about Dan (Rufus says it, Penn says it) that Dan is judgmental, doesn't accept S for who she is, then I can't find DS sweet -- in fact S is putting herself down in a way because she can't accept herself. It's one thing for her to know she did wrong things in the past, it's another to let her boyfriend judge her for who she is just because she needs to feel love and affection. It's sad. I will be curious as to why S finally decides they have to break-up.

NS just dont make me snore at the keyboard...the way they bantered during the bath fight. The way he just KNOWS how she gets in the summer, there's something lurking underneath. She has a hold over him, yet Nate still has a strength around her. And she just laughs, laughs, laughs when in his presence.

eta: I'm just curious, sincerely, is Dan really beating the odds? He is not poor--he's definitely upper middle class, he's successful, his father is living off royalties, thus luxuriously retired basically at the young age of what, 37!! LOL and has an art gallery in one of the most vibrant cities on Earth...he goes to one of the premier NYC prep schools and will gain admittance to a top 10 college...which odds will Dan be beating? I don't think this is a very unique story...so many people I know marry people like this, or am I just jaded? So many girls like S choose to be with guys like D to be "interesting" and feel validated, at least in the US.

Wow, I totally agree with your last paragraph. I never really thought about it until I read what you wrote. I think the difference though between him and the UES'ers is status.

Although, it is kind of contradictory because he because he feigns not wanting the status but is doing a lot of things that would get him that...

wait, does that make sense?