my only reason for demonizing chris...is well too me he is a demon..

Keywords in here and did he do something about it ? No. Yes he pays for Yale but that is ALL he does for Rory. He still has NO clue what's going on in her life and how she ticks. What she likes, who her friends are, what's important to her. He comes into her life, throws his money around and thinks that is enough. Now he married her mother without her being there and thinks she will be okay with that. He has absolutely NO idea what kind of bond Lorelai and Rory have. It's Lorelai's fault too that she married him without Rory there but she at least said it's too soon and Rory should be there.
He thinks Rory will be fine with everything and doesn't see how mad she is at Lorelai next week.

Chris was never the best Father nor was he the worst...not by a long shot. Yet no one gives him credit for trying to change or for recognizing his own shortcomings. Personally, I don't give Lorelai kudos for her role as a mother==she ran away from home with a baby and potentially put her jeopardy and she kept Rory separated from her grandparents for so many years. There's blame all around.

And I suppose when Chris invited her friends at the newspaper out to lunch and they got drunk--he didn't feel badly and realize he was trying too hard? Why give him credit after all. What about Lorelai and Rory-- don't they deserve some blame? If they wanted Chris to understand something then they should have told him WHAT THEY WERE REALLY THINKING. But why would Lorelai want to do that---that would put her own super special relationship with Rory in jeopardy--if someone else were as close to her as she was. And what about Rory--does she really have a clue about what makes her tick or what she wants to do? No--and she isn't even talking to her Mother about it either. Everyone says the Chris doesn't have a clue and he doesn't--neither do Lorelai or Rory. They are all equally clueless but only Chris is demonic after all.

I just realized how long it's been since I posted, please forgive .

Personally I'm not quite sure what Chris's "shortcomings" are. Making an effort to be included in the gilmore girls lives may be considered but not when he's doing it just to get into bed with lorelai. If he's got that itching in his pants again then he should try a strip club I'm sure it would do wonders for him. I give Lorelai much more respect that I would if she HADN'T run away with Rory. She was trying to protect her, it was her child and she choose not to raise her around arrogant rich people in the society where she grew up. I don't know if i'm the only one, but I applaud her for that.

I'm sick of people saying that her moving took Rory away from Chris. When I was a kid (up until about 14 years old) I had a lot of emotional rejection from my father and grandparents. They live 3 hours away neither of them worked, both drived, were retired, in perfect health, drove 20 minutes past my house 3 days everyweek to go to Fort Bragg and drove right by the nearest free way (about 5 minutes away) at least 4 times a year to fly to hawaii, france, or england. Yet never ONCE did they come to see me. I saw them 1 time every year at the most. If Chris WANTED to see rory after they moved away it wouldn't have been that hard to come visit her. As a result of Chris's couldn't care attitude I very much think that rory experienced a great deal of emotional rejection just as i did.
okay, then try to explain a dad who moves 5 houses from his daughter, then gives up visitation rights in court???? To me Chris is a hell of a lot better than my daughters dad, who by the way, after living up the street for 2 years, decided to have a relationship with his daughter for a year, then decided to move and tell now 13 year old daughter "you're not going to see me for a very long time, I'm moving" My daughter wasn't told where he was moving nor gave a phone number or email addy, it's been 6 months since my daughter has seen her dad, or heard from him, to me a dad could make an effort, Chris did, Rory had his number and an email addy, better than my daughter, she's got nothing.There, I'm done. rant over...for now.

Personally I'm not quite sure what Chris's "shortcomings" are. Making an effort to be included in the gilmore girls lives may be considered but not when he's doing it just to get into bed with lorelai. If he's got that itching in his pants again then he should try a strip club I'm sure it would do wonders for him. I give Lorelai much more respect that I would if she HADN'T run away with Rory. She was trying to protect her, it was her child and she choose not to raise her around arrogant rich people in the society where she grew up. I don't know if i'm the only one, but I applaud her for that.

Yes, because everyone on this board loves the Lorelai doubting her love for Luke sl.

Marty served his function and is now as expired as Digger or Max. Instead of reconciling with Luke do you think Lorelai should spend more time with Sookie & Miss Patty & Babette and Max doubting her love for Luke? I mean, shouldn't dumping him and marrying another man cause some doubt? In my own view we saw that sl (very badly done) in 6.21-6.22

BTW we saw the Rory doubts her love for Logan sl: 6.16-6.18

Shanti, Jess is not maligned ALL THE TIME for his treatment of Rory. He is only discussed, because you, and others, keep bringing him up. Trust me, if I never typed the name Jess, or Milo for that matter, again, I would be more then happy about it.

He should have reimbursed whomever for Chilton, AND retro-actively paid for child support. Like Luke did.

I find nothing wrong about demonizing Chris to make Luke a hero this season. After the assification of Luke last year, I'd say it's justice.

how do you expect to discuss a show that's plot is so deeply rooted in the past without bringing up the past?

how do you expect to discuss a show that's plot is so deeply rooted in the past without bringing up the past?

but does Jess really have anything to the current situation? Logan loves Rory, Rory loves Logan, Marty likes Rory, dating another woman, and Rory thinks of Marty as a once friend, where is this lopsided triangle? Why is Jess in the conversation? How is Jess influence the current situation??

ah, but i would argue that everything has to do with everything. i'm not saying people are always right on the money, but i'm careful not to exclude any point of reasoning just because one character happens to be a hot button issue.

I never said we couldn't bring up the past, in fact, I specifically said that it was sometimes needed to discuss a current plot point. However, what relevance do Jess and Shayne have to the show now, in ANY way? NONE. Even in comparison with Rory and Logan and the bridesmaids....that was LAST SEASON and has nothing to do with now.

Whatever, keep bitching, hope you get something out of it, because I don't.