Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers and Speculation #99 - Page 10

charmed1NM · 11-19-2006, 04:56 PM

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We defend Logan because Logan is an active character in the show, I can't find the reason to be talking about jess now, he is done, I respect deepely your taste in actors and the fact that you adore milo ventimiglia, there is a thread to talk about MV, isn't there?. I am pretty sure that if nobody mentions jess here, nobody is going to talk about him, and he won't be maligned. If we would have some spoiler or some indication about a return of "jess" or milo to the show (how any other character, a jess' clone or twin for example), in that case I could think that there is a opportunity to talk about him, at this moment and in the light of the facts I can't see the reason to talk about him. Plus, I am very sorry that you had read here all those bad comments about jess, but I am sure thatyou are not gong to read anymore about that if other people let the dead characters rest in peace!

there is a Heroes thread

colorblind · 11-19-2006, 04:57 PM

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And you don't suppose Chris was hurt when Lorelai refused to marry him countless times. And, how about when she ran off with Rory? But of course you're not here to bash Chris--it's just something to do. It's funny no one seems to bash Luke for rejecting Lorelai--when she wanted to get to know his kid and he refused because "she has so much personality" than he does. No one bashed Luke for forgetting Valentines Day for the love of his life. No one bashed Luke for keeping his life separate from Lorelai's. That's okay because he's Flannel Man. It's also okay that he married Nicole when he was in love with Lorelai. It's okay to use someone to get over someone else. Yeah, Luke is a real prince...a flannel prince and so is Lorelai. They are both selfish and stupid and extremely neurotic. Hardly the characters I remember the first few seasons.

oh, if i wanted to bash chris like i'm bashing him (and i admit i'm bashing him) on neshbe thread it would be much worse than this.

first of all, you can't say nobody bashed luke, were you posting on GG board then? obviously not, i read so many bad things about him then, believe me, and i write a couple of bad things cause he was acting bad towards lorelai, he did forget about valentines day present, he did keep his life separate from lorelai's, but i admit that, and i was mad at him. i can't say that for people who like chris, you're never gonna admit he's a bad father, or was, never, and that's denying.

as for marrying nicole, he wasn't in a relationship with lorelai before that happened, he did love her, but he thought that she doesn't want him, she doesn't love him. that's totally different situation than this one. what was he suposed to do? wait forever for her? they were just friends then.

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Can I come? I'll bring the wine.

of course, just don't bring cheap one.

charmed1NM · 11-19-2006, 05:02 PM

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oh, if i wanted to bash chris like i'm bashing him (and i admit i'm bashing him) on neshbe thread it would be much worse than this. I dont even know where that thread is, so I admit I dont know what was said there.

first of all, you can't say nobody bashed luke, were you posting on GG board then? obviously not, i read so many bad things about him then, believe me, and i write a couple of bad things cause he was acting bad towards lorelai, he did forget about valentines day present, he did keep his life separate from lorelai's, but i admit that, and i was mad at him. i can't say that for people who like chris, you're never gonna admit he's a bad father, or was, never, and that's denying. nope, I said he wasn't, I thought we dropped this??
as for marrying nicole, he wasn't in a relationship with lorelai before that happened, he did love her, but he thought that she doesn't want him, she doesn't love him. that's totally different situation than this one. what was he suposed to do? wait forever for her? they were just friends then. Oh yeah, I forgot, I hate Nicole, add that to my hate list.

of course, just don't bring cheap one.

Not for a celebration like that, only the good stuff, a nice Merlot

colorblind · 11-19-2006, 05:10 PM

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I dont even know where that thread is, so I admit I dont know what was said there.

if you like chris, don't go there.

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Oh yeah, I forgot, I hate Nicole, add that to my hate list.

on that one we agree.

cybertwinkee · 11-19-2006, 05:11 PM

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oh, if i wanted to bash chris like i'm bashing him (and i admit i'm bashing him) on neshbe thread it would be much worse than this.

first of all, you can't say nobody bashed luke, were you posting on GG board then? obviously not, i read so many bad things about him then, believe me, and i write a couple of bad things cause he was acting bad towards lorelai, he did forget about valentines day present, he did keep his life separate from lorelai's, but i admit that, and i was mad at him. i can't say that for people who like chris, you're never gonna admit he's a bad father, or was, never, and that's denying.

as for marrying nicole, he wasn't in a relationship with lorelai before that happened, he did love her, but he thought that she doesn't want him, she doesn't love him. that's totally different situation than this one. what was he suposed to do? wait forever for her? they were just friends then.

of course, just don't bring cheap one.

Chris was never the best Father nor was he the worst...not by a long shot. Yet no one gives him credit for trying to change or for recognizing his own shortcomings. Personally, I don't give Lorelai kudos for her role as a mother==she ran away from home with a baby and potentially put her jeopardy and she kept Rory separated from her grandparents for so many years. There's blame all around.

colorblind · 11-19-2006, 05:20 PM

i didn't say he's the worst father, but he's close to being the worst. (my opinion of course)
maybe he will show me in this season that he can actually be a good dad. then i'm not gonna bash him.

Ciaobella · 11-19-2006, 05:23 PM

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Maybe I just feel that Chris deserves a change, much like Luke does. Are we to assume that because rory reached a certain age she no longer needs a father, in what ever capasity he is available for? if that is logical, then one could say Luke should but out of Aprils life cause he was never there for April as a baby, doesnt matter if he knew or not, he ditched the witch and she had to raise the baby on her own, the kid has a life, been doing pretty good without Luke in her life. But that is not the case, april deserves a father, just as Rroy has one. What do you want me to say bad about Chris? He's an idiot? So was Luke. He wasn't a father to his child when she was little, hey neither was Luke. I'm saying Chris has always been part of Rory's life, was he the dad that picked her up from the library?? No, but he is her dad, you cant change that. Everyone is seeing luke as this perfect dad, but how responsible was he having unprotected sex and then impregnating a woman he never saw again? If anna really knew him, she would of known Luke, how he isn't this rouge, so apparently the relationship wasn't that significant? I think when you are holding one characters feet to the flames, then do the same for the others. Lorelai allows Chris in her life, Lorelai has allowed Chris to do everythign he has done, so how much blame can be put on being a bad dad when Lorelai allowed it? Lorelai chose not to have Chris in her life, Lorelai chose not to marry Chris when they were young. In Lukes defense, anna didnt tell Luke about April, he was cheated out of beign a father, he never had the opportunity to be a good or bad dad when April was a baby, Anna robbed him of this. Luke has the opportunity to be a good dad, now, just like Chris can be. why is it okay for Luke to have the opportunity but not Chris? What if April never did the science project? Luke could be attending Aprils wedding and find out, does he not deserve the opportunity to be a dad in some capacity?

Woah. Big difference between never knowing who your father was, and knowing he's around somewhere but he chooses not to be there for you. You can NOT say Luke's absence in April's life is comparable to Deadbeat's deliberately staying away ("It's easier that way" he said).

I think Rory did suffer from not having Chris around when she was little, if only because she knows he chose to stay away. That's a huge emotional rejection that she carries within her. April will know that when Luke was found, he WANTED to be part of her life, WANTED regular contact, WANTED to get to know her and for her to know him.

Christopher just made the minimum effort necessary and usually didn't come around (he didn't visit her in SH until she was sixteen????) unless he came sniffing for Lorelai. And I cannot wait for him to show his true colors once he realizes Luke and Lorelai are still in love with each other.

Party's at my house that night, I got the good wine.

cybertwinkee · 11-19-2006, 05:25 PM

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i didn't say he's the worst father, but he's close to being the worst. (my opinion of course)
maybe he will show me in this season that he can actually be a good dad. then i'm not gonna bash him.

I don't know--- someone who struggles to make a living and doesn't adequately support his child because he can't not because he won't--or who calls frequently doesn't sound as a bad as a father who emotionally or physically abuses his child or one who doesn't want to know or even support his kid. But to people on this thread Chris is still just a demon Dad no matter what. Once he inherited money and tried to do right by his kid--he was buying her love. It's ridiculous that in order for Luke to be considered a "hero" Chris has to be demonized. That's sloppy writing to say the least.

Shu · 11-19-2006, 05:26 PM

I don't like chris but I have always admitted that he has tried to change...but some people are just incapable of it....only time will tell if chris can change...right now all I see is a very needy man.

ETA: wholly generalisation Batman

Cappuccino · 11-19-2006, 05:31 PM

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Yet no one gives him credit for trying to change or for recognizing his own shortcomings.

Keywords in here and did he do something about it ? No. Yes he pays for Yale but that is ALL he does for Rory. He still has NO clue what's going on in her life and how she ticks. What she likes, who her friends are, what's important to her. He comes into her life, throws his money around and thinks that is enough. Now he married her mother without her being there and thinks she will be okay with that. He has absolutely NO idea what kind of bond Lorelai and Rory have. It's Lorelai's fault too that she married him without Rory there but she at least said it's too soon and Rory should be there.
He thinks Rory will be fine with everything and doesn't see how mad she is at Lorelai next week.

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Party's at my house that night, I got the good wine.

Now I just need a plane ticket

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only time will tell if chris can change.

Well that time will be up in 6 eps

Will he change till then - I don't think so

Shu · 11-19-2006, 05:34 PM

okay i may not like chris...but i see absolutely nothing wrong with him paying for yale...its the least he owes Rory.

cowgirl_cj · 11-19-2006, 05:35 PM

Chris doesn't need to be demonized for Luke to be considered a hero. He's a great man, despite what Chris does. Besides, it's not like the writers are purposefully ruining Chris to bolster Luke. They're taking flaws always present in Chris and showing them. He shipped his kid off to Paris. Why didn't he just tell Sherry to come to the States to visit her kid instead of sending his young daughter across the ocean? Then you have Luke, who is just doing what he always does: doing right by his family. That's how both characters have been shown throughout the series, and now they're contrasting the two.

Shu · 11-19-2006, 05:37 PM

I see no basis for comparison. The only reason people are doing it is cause of lorelai...the fact is chris is well chris...i have my opinions of him...but the big issue is how can she switch from loving one person to another in such a short time span....my answer she can't ...its called DENIAL!!!

Ciaobella · 11-19-2006, 05:38 PM

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okay i may not like chris...but i see absolutely nothing wrong with him paying for yale...its the least he owes Rory.

He should have reimbursed whomever for Chilton, AND retro-actively paid for child support. Like Luke did.

I find nothing wrong about demonizing Chris to make Luke a hero this season. After the assification of Luke last year, I'd say it's justice.

Shu · 11-19-2006, 05:40 PM

my only reason for demonizing chris...is well too me he is a demon..