Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers and Speculation #99

caf123 · 11-18-2006, 05:40 PM

Hi everyone. I’d like to remind you all that this is the main Gilmore Girls spoiler thread, and as such, posters from various shipper groups are free to post here, so if you see someone saying something that you don’t like about “your” favorite character or couple, don’t start fighting with them on this thread, and don’t go into a Gilmore Girls shipper thread if you don’t like the couple that the shipper thread is for. People are free to criticize upcoming events on Gilmore Girls as they read the upcoming spoilers, but don’t use this thread as a free-for-all to bash any characters or couples that you don’t like, or their fans, or you’ll find that you’ll be deprived of the privilege of reading and speculating about Gilmore Girls spoilers again here. Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation.

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Episode 7.08 - Introducing Lorelai Planetarium
Airdate: November 21

Writer: Jennie Snyder
Director: Lee Shallet Chemel

The CW: LORELAI TELLS RORY THE NEWS - Lorelai (Lauren Graham) invites Rory (Alexis Bledel) over to dinner to tell her that she and Christopher (David Sutcliffe) got married in Paris. Rory pretends to be thrilled while Christopher is in the room, but later tells Lorelai how hurt and angry she really is. Back in town for the start-up of his new internet company, Logan (Matt Czuchry) invites Rory to the launch party, where she meets a magazine editor who suggests she write an article on the event. Rory writes a judgmental article, describing the guests as spoiled elitists. Logan is hurt and angry, accusing Rory of hypocrisy since she is living rent-free in his apartment. Defensive at first, Rory realizes she is living a double standard and decides to find her own apartment. Meanwhile, when April (Vanessa Marano) faces a medical emergency, a frantic Luke (Scott Patterson) turns to Lorelai for help. Lee Shallat Chemel directed the episode written by Jennie Snyder.

TV Guide: Lorelai and Chris arrange a dinner so they can tell their big news to Rory, who puts on a happy face for her dad but tells her mom she's angry. Elsewhere, Logan surprises Rory with a visit and an announcement that he's relocating to New York to start an Internet company; and Luke calls Lorelai when April becomes sick. Bobby: Vanessa Branch.

Sides for 7.08 include a doctor, 20-something girls, a photographer, a man/woman, Trip, and Hugo (We don’t have the sides, just the names of characters being cast.)

imdb says Logan’s co-worker Philip appears in 7.08

imdb lists: Wendy Allyn as 20 Something Girl #1, Brandon Ford Green as Doctor, David Weidoff as 20's Something Guy

imdb lists Steve Braun as Trip (Steve Braun (II)

From Global promo, Courtesy of SarahLovesLogan: Luke notices Lorelai's ring at the hospital, she looks uncomfortable. From damselfly - Luke looks shocked, Lorelai looks quilty. From SarahLovesLogan: promo also shows a shot of Rory and Chris hugging, with Lorelai standing smiling at them

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Episode 7.09 – Knit, People, Knit
Airdate: November 28

Writer: David Grae
Director: Kenny Ortega

TheCW: STARS HOLLOW THROWS A "KNIT-A-THON" — When Christopher (David Sutcliffe) questions Lorelai (Lauren Graham) about why she has avoided involving him in the daily life of Stars Hollow, she admits her concern that her old friends may not accept him. Christopher makes an effort to bond with the townspeople, and Lorelai brings him to the town knit-a-thon, where his well-intentioned gesture brings the event to an early end. When Olivia (Michelle Ongkingo) throws a 2002-themed birthday party for Lucy (Krysten Ritter), Rory (Alexis Bledel) gets her chance to confront Marty about his coldness toward her. Finally, Luke (Scott Patterson) is touched by the birth of Liz (Kathleen Wilhoite) and T.J.’s (Michael DeLuise) baby, and when he learns that Anna (Sherilyn Fenn) is planning to move to New Mexico with April (Vanessa Marano), he demands equal rights as a parent. Liza Weil also stars. Kenny Ortega directed the episode written by David Grae.

TVGuide:Stars Hollow prepares for a knitathon and Lorelai, who's participating, worries that the townsfolk aren't ready to accept her and Christopher as a couple; Anna stuns Luke when she tells him that she and April are moving to New Mexico; Rory and her friends throw Lucy a 2002-themed birthday party, where Rory finally confronts Marty about his indifference toward her; and T.J. tells Luke that Liz, who's ready to give birth at any moment, wants to have the baby at home.

Midwife Side and Summary - Liz gives birth.

There is also a side for a character called “Sandy” (We don’t have this side.)

From Gen on WB tour: saw scene from the knit-a-thon, Lorelai and Chris walking through town square, interacting with townies.

From TamaJam at TWOP on fan tour October 27: saw Paul Anka in a red sweater at the festival, along with goats and sheep in a pen.

imdb says April appears in 7.09, also Rory's artsy friend Lucy.

From roswell on WB Tour: saw filming of knit-a-thon, Rory and Paris might be there

From Katie: Miss Patty gives Chris a 'welcome wagon' full of stuff from local businesses. She and Babette are polite, but they are not exactly warm and friendly. Chris thinks it went well, but Lorelai senses the tension and isn't happy. Luke sees them from the diner, and it hurts to see them together.

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Episode 7.10 - Merry Fisticuffs
Airdate: December 5

Writer: David Rosenthal
Director: Jackson Douglas

TheCW: LUKE AND CHRISTOPHER COME TO BLOWS — Luke (Scott Patterson) and Lorelai (Lauren Graham) share a sweet moment when Luke introduces her to Liz’s new baby. Christopher (David Sutcliffe) witnesses the scene and it adds to his concern that Lorelai isn’t fully committed to their marriage. The next day, Lorelai and Christopher get into a fight over whether they should exchange vows at the elaborate wedding party Emily (Kelly Bishop) is throwing for them. Luke contacts a lawyer over his custody troubles with Anna, then runs into Christopher and the two have an ugly confrontation in the streets of Stars Hollow. Meanwhile, when Logan (Matt Czuchry) discovers that Rory and Marty (Wayne Wilcox) have been pretending that they just met, rather than admitting their previous friendship to Lucy (Krysten Ritter), he reveals the truth to Lucy. Finally, Emily gives Lorelai a warning about her marriage. Sean Gunn also stars. Jackson Douglas directed the episode written by David Rosenthal.

Sides for 7.10 include a Lawyer, Dennis, Nadine, Brandon, Jacob and Randall. (We don’t have the sides, just the names of characters being cast.) “Sheila” side added. (Sheila is an ongoing YDN staffer. Possibly old sides are being used to cast a new character.)

Casting Notice for Nadine, a “vapid and bored” grocery store checker

From Nicolalala: Something happens between Luke and Lorelai. St. Nick might bring more than fruitcake this year.

From Spoilerfix: Emily hires a flamboyant party planner to plan a party around themes from Operas.

From caf123: LL “something” is small not big, good not bad.

From Nicolalala at FB: Luke talks to a lawyer about getting partial custody of April.

From Miss_Ill_Manners on the WB Tour: Stars Hollow has christmas decorations up, but there wasn't any snow. The guide said she'd give us a spoiler if we wanted to know, and said they were filming in town later and Luke and Chris get into a fist fight.

From LittleCreek on the WB Tour: Filming in front of Doose's. Luke is walking along pushing a pink stroller. He disappeared behind the camera set up, but whatever goes down involves Lorelai and Chris because after a few minutes they walked off in the direction Luke had come from and Lorelai had her arm around Chris. Luke was wearing his green coat and the black hat.

imdb lists Krysten Ritter (Lucy) for this ep.

From TWOP: The fight between Luke and Chris is a knock-down, drag out fistfight, not just one punch like 7.02.

imdb lists: Ingrid Sanai Buron as Margaret, Samantha Droke as Bonnie, Cody Klop as Jacob and Mia Cottet

Casting notice for Randall, a flamboyant party planner

From genki: we see the Luke-Christopher fight

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Episode 7.11 - Santa's Secret Stuff
Airdate:

Writer:
Director: Lee Shallat Chemel

Sides for 7.11 include Macon, Older Man Customer, Older Woman Customer, Sue, Short Lady Customer, Cashier (We don’t have the sides, just the names of characters.)

Casting Notice for Macon, son of guitarist (S. Bach), can sing "I Wanna Be Sedated" by the Ramones

From gossipcom at TWoP: Jimmy Bennett (III) cast as Macon

From Copperboom on the WB Tour: Christmas decorations were gone except for banner and lights. Setting up at Lane's. Gigi sized coat in Lorelai's house, as well as pictures of her.

From ebay: Call sheet and sides for 2 scenes. Luke's Diner and Lane's Apartment. Lane is very pregnant and is irritable, particularly at the customers.

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Episode 7.12
Airdate:

Writer:
Director: Jamie Babbitt

Casting notice for Davey, son of Jackson and Sookie. Lorelai will babysit

Sides for 7.12 include Judge, Campbell and Davey (note: We don’t have the sides, just the names of characters.)

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Episode 7.13 -
Airdate:

Writer:
Director:

From Ausiello: This episode marks a major turning point in the Luke/Lorelai/Christopher triangle. Apparently, Luke and Christopher choose to deal with Richard's health crisis in very different ways: Luke chooses to run around helping Emily, while Christopher chooses to go off and sulk about a bad fight he had with Lorelai. Cue the inevitable Lorelai epiphany.

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General Spoilers/Articles

The Gilmore Girls Collected Wisdom From Fan Forum's Finest

From Wheredidtheanvilsgo?: According to tourguide no new set has been built for Rory

From BuddyTV: Exclusive interview: David S. Rosenthal, Head Writer and Executive Producer on Gilmore Girls

From Nicolalala at FB: Confirmed rumor -- Lane is expecting twins.

Ausiello in radio interview: Lorelai changes her name to Haden - confirmation

From the New York Times: A Series Changes Horses, and the Ride Gets Bumpy

From Variety: LG's production company signs deal with the CW

From genki: LL start talking before 710.

From caf123: LL don’t cheat on CL.

From LarLar1286 at TWOP: DS contract extension would be for Rory’s graduation, not to extend C/L.

From Fraz at Fanbolt: DS contract was asked to be extended but not yet signed

From katiegg108: Description of deleted (or postponed?) 7.05 “Luke sees Lorelai with Chris” and Luke/April fire-ring/smores scene - supposed to be when C/L were going to dinner at the mansion – more

Ausiello Report - Luke finds out about C/L marriage on screen, Marty “in and out” all year

Matt Czuchry USNews interview - College Flashback

From Fraz: Shooting of wedding L/C on friday Oct 13th -- From gossipcom: LG not filming on the 13th

From Fraz at Fanbolt: Radio promo says Sherry is Christopher’s “ex-wife”.

From Fraz at FB: Christmas-theme episode in December

Matt Czuchry radio interview: Logan is in London “for a little while... to build the storylines as far as the things that happen in long distance relationships.”

From noutoutforawalk on WB tour: guide said he “knew things he wished he didn’t.” Talked about a “big event” that will affect “everyone, even Luke” - and it’s not the C/L marriage.

David Sutcliffe “People” interview - I will be around and I will be complicating lives as usual.

Ausiello's LG interview at CW Launch: during the videotaped interview, he whispered that Lorelai “gets married to Christopher” in November.

Ausiello’s DR interview: Marty will stir up trouble in Rory’s life, Richard’s “health issues...can bring mothers and daughters close together and it can bring grandparents and grandchildren close together,” L/L: “it’s over for now”.

TV Guide: This season Luke and Lorelai go on on 'separate journeys', Rory's attempt to make a go of a long-distance relationship with Logan gets complicated by the return of platonic pal Marty, Emily and Richard take on new endeavors, and there will be multiple babies and a marriage. (Scan)

Yale Daily News: Yale's Whiffenpoofs, the all-male, all-senior a cappella group, will be featured in an upcoming episode of the show.

From caf123: C/L last longer than 4-6 episodes and not over by hiatus

Liza Weil: The story lines are really good, and it's really smart, and they can expect a season that is really, really strong.

Entertainment Weekly Fall Preview – DR calls season 7 theme “Consequences” ... While Lorelai sorts out her convoluted love life, Rory will have to decide how long she wants to put up with a long distance relationship with Logan ... possible season 8?

Norwich CT Bulletin: A main character on the show "Gilmore Girls" (Luke) will be donning a Defenders baseball cap throughout the upcoming season.

From GGMinn: David S. is signed on for the first 13 episodes of the season

Christiane Amanpour in TV Guide: It would be “very cool” to guest-star on GG.

From gilmoregirlsnews.com, quoted on aol: Rory doesn't take kindly to Lorelai sleeping with Christopher, Luke will continue to build his relationship with April and continue trying to gain Anna's trust.

Tom O’Neil of the LA Times' Gold Derby says GG likely to switch to Emmy drama category next year, "This year, Lauren Graham made the finalist list for best comedy actress, but blew it by submitting a whiny, sulking episode submission to judges.” - Ausiello confirms move to drama category

Terry Morrow of KnoxNews reports that Matt Czuchry will appear for 15 episodes this season.

From genki: L/C relationship, Lorelai pining, More Luke screentime not pining

Amy Sherman-Palladino Jumps to Fox!

Ellen Grey - Amanpour thinks it's 'wonderful' that Rory has long wanted to become the next Christiane Amanpour.

Charleston.net: "Fans reacted virulently when Lorelai, distraught over the seeming end of her engagement, retreated to the arms (and bed) of daughter Rory's father, who is married to someone else."

Kristin of Eonline - Interview with SP

Knoxnews: Matt C Interview

From GGMinn: Rory will have no new love interest. New friends, yes, but not love interest.

Courtesy of Sandlynn and Jet1945 – Alexis, on Regis and Kelly, calls "recycling" of Rory's boyfriends unrealistic.

Watch with Kristin: Blind Item, believed to be about L/L, says the couple "may not be making it down the aisle next year.”

Matt Czuchry interview: My hope is that the audience will get to see Logan take on his adult responsibilities and thrive in the business world ... A deeper friendship could develop [with] Rory ... that would survive even if the relationship becomes too difficult.

hellishrose describes private WB tour in April – guide said “Chris was brought back on to not only stir up drama but also so that LG would get to work with someone else besides SP”

TVaddict: Part One of "exclusive" interview with David Sutcliffe - Part 2

Ausiello interviews Lauren Graham: "I had a nice meeting with [David Rosenthal] ... I think I'll know more than I might normally have."

David Babcock joins Gilmore Girls as consulting producer.

Kristin interviews EH, KB, MC and SP at the upfront. - Clip from Canopus - Transcript - Matt comments

Ausiello Report: Everwood exec Rina Mimoun joins Gilmore Girls as a consultant, Mimoun interview about TV storylines

Spoilerfreaks.com: Matt's contract says MC will appear in the last 3 episodes of season 7

Information from the TCA - July 2006

Pictures from the TCA
Gail Pennington's STL blog added an audio clip of LG’s “good drama” comments
InsideBayArea: LG says she has no power over storylines
Watch with Kristin:
- video interview with MC - he’d like Rory to end the show single
- DR says C and L “are eternally tied through Rory”
- RM says “perhaps more than one baby for SH”
- Kristin on babies
Beacon Journal: Kirk is at the center of an exciting disaster
Gimoregirls.org: Exclusive Video of LG
STLtoday: Lauren "can't believe people were upset" and mentions a fake ending.
KnoxNews: Matt takes a bet to climb up on the giant "CW" letters at party.
Buffalo News: "In the real world, those things happen for a reason and people rebound from them," said Patterson. "It is really a precarious position to be in. I think he'll have to do some soul searching to work his way out of this one. It is not checkmate, but it may be check."
FROM NJ.COM BLOG:INTERVIEW WITH DR
- Lorelai "wasn't drunk, it wasn't this mad, crazy thing -- she made a decision about where she wanted her life to go, and we're going to explore that. Not to say that Luke isn't in her life and a part of her world."
- "Lane and Zach got married, married life is going to bring a lot of challenges and surprises for them. Richard's going to get a job teaching at Yale, an opportunity to fill in kind of thing. Emily's going to do a little tutoring of young debutantes. Paris will spend the summer opening up her own version of the Princeton Review, tutoring students."
From the DR interview: LL won't be similar to Rory rift. "I’m not saying it’s always going to be pleasant or pretty, I mean, they’re two adults and they’re going to have to deal with what’s happening.” (Maureen Ryan, Chicago Tribune)
DR says "There will be a baby or babies." Note: could be Liz's. (Seattle Times)
LG says DR may bend ASP's exhausting "word-perfect" script rules (Canoe-Jam!) - and more
Ausiello's interview with DR:
- Repercussions from the finale “affect not just Lorelai and Christopher and Luke, but Rory as well.”
- R/L “are very much in love and will work hard to make [the long-distance relationship] work. ... There will be people in her life, male and female. Perhaps the return of characters from past seasons.”
- L/L “have a very, very deep bond. ... But sometimes soul mates spend a lot of time not together. Just because someone's your soul mate and may be your ultimate destiny, does not mean that there's not a lot to go through before you reach that destiny.”
- Luke "will have issues this year in terms of his deepening relationship with April and his relationship with Anna."
- Christopher and Lorelai - "he's a major part of her life this year."
- Finale - confirmed C&L did have sex.
From Ausiello's live blog of the TCA Gilmore Girls Panel (or here)
- Logan will stay in London
- A line about "new love interests for Rory" was later deleted by Ausiello without explanation.
- Marty "will perhaps be back"
- Christopher will be a bigger presence than ever before.
- "It sounds like" LL will be broken up, at least during the first part of the season.
- LG and KAB both "leave door open" to possible season 8.
LG and KAB "hedge on GG future", LG says "if everything had gone the way fans wanted" last year, "the show would have been over"
At TCA morning session - Ostroff says she "wasn't involved" in Team Palladino talks

From Ask Ausiello of tvguide.com

For November 14: Interview with DR, Episode 13 scoop, No Comment
For November 7: We don't see wedding, Luke and Lorelai have a moment, Logan comes back
For November 1: another asterisk-worthy event in February - MA's opinions
For October 25: Lorelai and Chris elope
For October 18: Lorelai and Chris e****e, Richard IS NOT dying
For October 11: Scoop to come, Marty in Nov. 14th ep, Other mentions
For October 4: Richard not dying, ASP in credits, USC filming
For September 27: Swim coach, LG interview to be renamed Whispergate
For September 20: DS back for more eps? Ausiello saw second episode
For September 13: Nothing new or the biggest thing to ever happen on Gilmore Girls?
For August 30: Richard to face a medical crisis, more ****
For August 23: writers for eps 2 and 3
For August 16: Lorelai in a reflective mood, Logan's gesture involves a flying object
For August 9 – No WTD (who’s the daddy?), timeskip is between eps 3 and 4.
For August 2 – Marty will return, Kirk opens an eatery, MA is “not opposed to a short-term C/L pairing”
For July 12 - First 6 episodes are dramatic. Press Tour next week
For July 5 – Milo says Jess return to GG “never going to happen”, more from Milo's interview
For June14 - David R headlining a panel at press tour next month
For May 31 - DR writing premiere now, Gilmore talk with David Eick, LG gets TCA nom
For May 10 - Season 6 DVDs

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Archives

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Episode 5.13 - Wedding Bell Blues - The 100th Episode - 8 Feb 2005

Episode 5.22 - A House Is Not A Home - The Season Finale - 17 May 2005

Episode 6.22 - Partings - Season 6 Finale - 9 May 2006

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caf123 · 11-18-2006, 05:41 PM

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Episode 7.09 – Knit People Knit

Filming knit-a-thon
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Episode 7.10 – Merry Fisticuffs

Holiday Decorations
Courtesy of Miss_Ill_Manners

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caf123 · 11-18-2006, 05:41 PM

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Lorelai /Rory – Lorelai - Rory

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Luke – Logan - Christopher

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Rory/Logan

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Gilmore Girls on The CW and CW ad Campaign

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Promos and Previews

7.08 (and beyond) Promo - Aired Nov 14 - (sendspace) (youtube)

Useful Links

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Episode Clips

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Extras

Lauren Graham on Jimmy Kimmel clip - Courtesy of Canopus

TV Guide Inside the Gilmore Girls-video (suited for pre-season 7 showing, added to TV Guide site on november the 7th).

Matt radio interview – Courtesy of MoosieMc at TWOP and Sandlynn - Now archived on KMOX here (scroll down under on the right, under Sept 26)

Lauren Graham Interview on Ellen deGeneres, Sept 26 - Courtesy of fan1bsb97

LG on Craig Ferguson Sept 24 (scroll down to “Updates”) – Courtesy of Canopus

Ausiello interviews Lauren, David, Scott and Matt at the CW launch party.
Videos are on the right side of this page.
Transcripts: David, Lauren, Scott, Matt
Ausiello's blog
Clips - Courtesy of Canopus

CW Launch Party
CWTV.com "Kohl's Presents" Video from the party - Click video 2 for short interviews with LG, MC, DS, SP Transcript of SP interview
Launch Party - pictures courtesy of dragonflyinn
More photos - Lane, T.J.
ET Launch Special - Avi version Courtesy of Mots15

Party footage from KTLA - courtesy of Genevieve: Clip with Matt Czuchry (YouTube) - Clip with Scott Patterson (YouTube)

Spoiler Fan Art Thread

Podcasts

TV Guide Podcast Transcripts - Courtesy of Lorelaisgirl -
November 17, November 10, October 27, October 20, October 13, October 6, September 29, September 15, September 8

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marykateo · 11-18-2006, 05:59 PM

thanks for the thread caf123 !

potostfbeyeluvr · 11-18-2006, 06:12 PM

Thanks for the thread, Caf.

lancer1993 · 11-18-2006, 06:15 PM

Thanks caf, so they divorced yet LOL

With all the news/spoilers we have got we don't have one that says L&L become a couple again, yet!

secret life · 11-18-2006, 06:21 PM

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Interesting question - we've seen characters reacting to other characters. But do they react to the person they're with by changing themselves, or is it their own motivations that make them choose who to be with? And what when that person changes? Luke obviously went through some changes last year. Logan the businessman is not the same person Rory knew in college, even if he always had that potential. Hmmmmm.

To some extent, we certainly react and adapt to whoever we are with. But only to an extent, otherwise we would be like chameleons, forever changing and not having a defineable personality or core. People are who they are, and they are drawn to the personalities of others for various reasons as well, including particular needs that the other may be addressing for that person in that moment in his/her life. I don't buy the argument that "you've changed"--hence I don't love you anymore, or we can't be together anymore. More likely, your needs or your situation has changed, and the other person can no longer meet your needs. This was the case for LL last year. Lorelai, being Lorelai, needed to be more involved in Luke's life. Luke, being Luke, couldn't just let her in, he needed time, etc. Their needs didn't jive, so they separated. Personality-wise, they are the same.

Logan now has changed, certainly, in the sense that he enjoys working and is in the thick of his career. And I do think that these changes present a conflict or transition point for his relationship with Rory. But again, the changes are more of lifestyle changes, I think, and not essential changes in his personality. The way I see it, at least in 7.05, he still possesses a lot of his spontaneous, carefree, passionate, and honest/straightforward nature.

I likewise don't see any essential changes in Luke, apart from his being more open about April. That came with time--the only thing he ever said he needed--not personality changes. And so now, would he be able to respond to Lorelai's needs, and she to his? That is the question...

pimbolina · 11-18-2006, 06:30 PM

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And this wasn't really about Jess v Logan. It was about honesty and straight forwardness and game playing. You have to use someone as an object of contrast. Dean's main drawback wasn't game playing it was his stalkerish tendencies.

If it was only about honesty and straight forwardness and game playing you shouldn’t be overlooking the fact that Logan did those things too. Just remember the incident with the sewing box, back then Logan was perfectly fine with the fact that the maid would be blamed for it, if Lorelai hadn’t intervened Logan would have said nothing. I’m just glad Logan grew up and feels now obligated to tell Lucy the truth.

mrs.lafferty93 · 11-18-2006, 06:46 PM

new thread, thanx

jalapeno_wildchild · 11-18-2006, 06:47 PM

thanks for the thread Caf

lemon tart · 11-18-2006, 06:53 PM

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Didn't you say he messed her up? That her rift with her mother was his fault? That she became a character you no longer like, that she took on all these negative characteristics, when they get together? Mistakes, bad qualities...whatever...Logan's responsible for the bad in Rory.

No, that's what I got from it too. That's what was said. That Logan was responsible for Rory's mistakes and for the rift.

caf, thanks for the thread and I think the more grown up Logan is something we're going to be seen dealt with this season. Logan I think already dealt with that, was the evolving Rory the same person he fell for? Now it's Rory's turn. That's always been a possiblity.

catkirk7 · 11-18-2006, 06:54 PM

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If it was only about honesty and straight forwardness and game playing you shouldn’t be overlooking the fact that Logan did those things too. Just remember the incident with the sewing box, back then Logan was perfectly fine with the fact that the maid would be blamed for it, if Lorelai hadn’t intervened Logan would have said nothing. I’m just glad Logan grew up and feels now obligated to tell Lucy the truth.

That was a really bad situation though. I don't think he was perfectly fine with it. More that he didn't know what to do that would save the situation. I will maintain that if it hadn't been Logan, Lorelai would have thought that game was hilarious. Not getting the maid fired but the swapping of nicknacks. It seems like something she would do. But no one ever has a problem with when Lorelai got Emily's wedding planner fired. And she did nothing to save her. It's easy for her to point fingers at Logan but when it would have been her Emily was mad at she couldn't say anything.

I_Love_GG <3 · 11-18-2006, 06:56 PM

Hey everyone! I look at this forum all the time, but I never usually post.
Everyone has been attacking Marykateo about her feelings of Logan, and since I feel the same way I decided to post.

I think Rory did CHANGE as a person when she met Logan.. Rory acts like an annoying 5-year old around him. She makes bad decisions and changed her stable relationship with her mother. This was Rory making these decisions not Logan, but Rory was influenced by Logan. These decisions were NOT responsible, and Rory was always a responsibile, loving girl. Rory's life and this show turned upside down when she met Logan, and not in a good way.

I thank this thread for telling me about the CL marriage months before. The time to process definately helped for the episode.

mrs.lafferty93 · 11-18-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Love_GG <3 (View Post)

Hey everyone! I look at this forum all the time, but I never usually post.
Everyone has been attacking Marykateo about her feelings of Logan, and since I feel the same way I decided to post.

I think Rory did CHANGE as a person when she met Logan.. Rory acts like an annoying 5-year old around him. She makes bad decisions and changed her stable relationship with her mother. This was Rory making these decisions not Logan, but Rory was influenced by Logan. These decisions were NOT responsible, and Rory was always a responsibile, loving girl. Rory's life and this show turned upside down when she met Logan, and not in a good way.

I thank this thread for telling me about the CL marriage months before. The time to process definately helped for the episode.

umm, what show are you watching??

Javalava86 · 11-18-2006, 07:04 PM

Thanks, Caf, for the new thread