Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers and Speculation #98 - Page 12

ArleneAM · 11-17-2006, 08:55 PM

I like the fact that, as we all suspected, Luke becomes a helper during Richard's time of Crisis and Chris does not. I wonder if During all this someone < like one of Emily's DAR friends mistakes Luke as Emily's Son-In-Law.. and instead of correcting the person she makes a freudian slip like he should be or he could have been.
I love the fact the Luke can once agin be there for Emily and Lorelai.

jalapeno_wildchild · 11-17-2006, 08:58 PM

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Christopher (David Sutcliffe) witnesses the scene and it adds to his concern that Lorelai isn’t fully committed to their marriage.well, theres a shocker

maybe chris needs to hear some music, maybe that will take the shock of realizing you wife is in love with someone else.

Sandlynn · 11-17-2006, 09:08 PM

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Jess got together with Shane when Rory didn't contact him for the whole summer after kissing him. He was never the kind to sit around and wait (much like Logan when he and Rory "broke up.") Much like Logan and the bridesmaids, Jess and Shane had their "symbiotic" relationship. I never felt sorry for Shane.

Jess used that girl. It was sickening.

tazzded · 11-17-2006, 09:12 PM

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Jess used that girl. It was sickening.

IA.

He only went out with Shane to get a reaction from Rory.

lancer1993 · 11-17-2006, 09:21 PM

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I like the fact that, as we all suspected, Luke becomes a helper during Richard's time of Crisis and Chris does not. I wonder if During all this someone < like one of Emily's DAR friends mistakes Luke as Emily's Son-In-Law.. and instead of correcting the person she makes a freudian slip like he should be or he could have been.
I love the fact the Luke can once agin be there for Emily and Lorelai.

I like this, maybe with the new look Luke, he's not in the usual cap and flannel, which is also a surprise to Emily.

Shanti70 · 11-17-2006, 10:24 PM

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I don't have a problem with their *relationship*. They used one another, that's their business. I have problems with how he showed up places with her just to rub it in Rory's face, to provoke her. Such as in TSG, DT. That's what I meant by playing games. Actions like those ruined a character for me that I had liked.

He didn't do it to rub Rory's face in it, his motivation was to confront Rory (there is a difference.) Rory and Jess couldn't stay apart. Dean finally realized it. It wasn't "game playing", but merely doing what had to be done. He wanted Rory, and he knew that Rory wanted him so he pushed the envelope. He no more used Shane to get to Rory than Logan used the bridesmaids to ease his pain.

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Jess used that girl. It was sickening.

Like Logan used the bridesmaids. Oh those boys!

lemon tart · 11-17-2006, 10:38 PM

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He didn't do it to rub Rory's face in it, his motivation was to confront Rory (there is a difference.) Rory and Jess couldn't stay apart. Dean finally realized it. It wasn't "game playing", but merely doing what had to be done. He wanted Rory, and he knew that Rory wanted him so he pushed the envelope. He no more used Shane to get to Rory than Logan used the bridesmaids to ease his pain.

I did not say he used her. I specifically said they used one another and that I had no problem with their *relationship*. However, this is where POV comes into play, he did play games.

Yes, he was trying to provoke Rory. But he also made her dig in her heals and prolonged her relationship with Dean by flaunting his liason with Shayne in her face. Would she have broken up with Dean had Jess still been free when she came back from DC? We don't know. But he also never gave her a chance. Rory & Dean likely would have broken up sooner, I think, though we'll never know, had Jess not flaunted his liason with Shayne in her face. But he did, which made her both dig in her heals and have no reason to get out of a dead relationship. It was a game, it backfired, because in the end Dean, not Rory, did the dumping. His little game probably cost him months of being with Rory. It was stupid, it was immature and it made me dislike him. I like him, a lot, in S2.

fox24 · 11-17-2006, 11:08 PM

Ita with everything Lemon

TheJSW · 11-18-2006, 12:00 AM

Thanks for the thread Babs.

Charmed, if you want to have a discussion with me, then respond to my argument. Not only was your response to me ****ing offensive (Yeah, I got mad love for the WHOLE SHOW, but I watch the edited version? That's some bull****). You did not even disagree with my argument. Since, you used your imagination to fill in the blanks of how I feel about Rory in this situation, and responded to me as you thinking as me responding to me. Again, to me, Lorelai failed as a mom. Your entire response remains nothing more than someone picking a side, sticking to it, and not budging. No matter how much the reality of the situation matters. That aside; you can be closed-minded if you want, but I already changed my mind about this Lorelai and Rory situation. Why did I change my mind? Sandlynn made too good of an argument to ignore. Being stubborn just to be stubborn is ponderous, man. ****ing ponderous.

The being open-minded takes us to Laura's question as to why I like Logan. Unlike Dean and Jess, Logan does not play. He has never played around with Rory. He knows how special Rory is as a human being. He loves her hard, but not hard enough to let her drop some LORELAI on his head without saying something about it. Unlike every male character that has loved a LORELAI on this show. Logan loves Rory in a way that's grand, that's epic, and totally devoid of bull****. This is why that it's expected of YMH to not stand idly by, and let Marty and Rory lie to Lucy. He does not suffer fools or shenanigans. That's one of the reasons that I am such a fan of VOLTRON.

Finally, Frattaglia, you made a good point back there, but this is a thread about making points. It's not a thread that features a Lit from the Lit board, coming over here, in an attempt to INSTIGATE a fight. Again, you can bring the discussion, but do not toil with a group of fans harden by their dealings with another group of fans. You do not want to get caught up in that crossfire. Nevertheless, you are going to give Logan a shot this time. For that, I give you a thimble full of DAP!

ETA: Sweet nipples of ZEUS, Shanti, Shane and the Bridesmaids are totally different. If you do not see them as different. Lady, you got about as much objectivity as Emperor.

Cappuccino · 11-18-2006, 01:07 AM

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I don't get why this short moment affects that Chris doubts Lorelais feelings regarding the marriage. I mean she said that she was worried about marrying too soon in Paris but he convinced her. He knows her feelings. What does he expect? That Lorelai's playing happy wive for him?

Because he's so convinces of himself and thinks he was right all those years that she always comes back to him and choses him over all the others. Everyone is the for now guy but him

Then he's not paying any attention to what's happening outside his litlle I'm the greatest ego bubble. Next week is another good example for that. Both girls are sad or angry and he wants to celebrate. He's totally oblivious to what's going on between "his" girls - but he knows Lorelai so well

He's absolultely NO idea who she is, who she became because he is still stuck in 1983 where he was her hero with the piece of pizza.

cowgirl_cj · 11-18-2006, 01:12 AM

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Because he's so convinces of himself and thinks he was right all those years that she always comes back to him and choses him over all the others. Everyone is the for now guy but him

Then he's not paying any attention to what's happening outside his litlle I'm the greatest ego bubble. Next week is another good example for that. Both girls are sad or angry and he wants to celebrate. He's totally oblivious to what's going on between "his" girls - but he knows Lorelai so well

He's absolultely NO idea who she is, who she became because he is still stuck in 1983 where he was her hero with the piece of pizza.

That's exactly what's going on. Chris is so sure that this is what they both want that when he sees LL interacting, he won't be able to deny a few things. So that means he has to pull that girly scarf of his off and attempt to prove his "manhood" in a fight.

pimbolina · 11-18-2006, 01:33 AM

It's almost as if we're back at the beginning of season 6.
Lorelai always put on a happy face for Luke, during her rift with Rory and didn't want to get married without Rory.

Now Chris convinced her it's the right time and thing to get married even though Lorelai had still a lot of doubts. Instead of giving her more time, he was tired of waiting (now doesn’t that sound familiar). Maybe Lorelai feared again it's now or never, her last chance to get married. Lorelai still has some feelings for Chris, but I doubt it's the same love she had and hopefully will have again with Luke.

Now L/C getting over a fight with the vows for he party and Luke and Chris fighting again, Rory being angry, the Townies being not to happy, Emily's warning and then Chris sulking while Luke helps Emily when Richard faces his crisis, that's going to be a big reality boost for Lorelai. She will realize that not everything is as it seems to be.

With Logan and Rory and Marty and Lucy, I’m going to wait now how it plays out at screen, first with the article Rory is going to write, Logan being accusing her to be hypocritical and later on when Logan’s reveals the truth to Lucy.

lilmelodie · 11-18-2006, 01:42 AM

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It's almost as if we're back at the beginning of season 6.
Lorelai always put on a happy face for Luke, during her rift with Rory and didn't want to get married without Rory.

Now Chris convinced her it's the right time and thing to get married even though Lorelai had still a lot of doubts. Instead of giving her more time, he was tired of waiting (now doesn’t that sound familiar). Maybe Lorelai feared again it's now or never, her last chance to get married. Lorelai still has some feelings for Chris, but I doubt it's the same love she had and hopefully will have again with Luke.

Now L/C getting over a fight with the vows for he party and Luke and Chris fighting again, Rory being angry, the Townies being not to happy, Emily's warning and then Chris sulking while Luke helps Emily when Richard faces his crisis, that's going to be a big reality boost for Lorelai. She will realize that not everything is as it seems to be.

I agree. I posted this in the L/L thread.
I think that the town is probably going to be a little tentative with Lorelai and Christopher as a couple but trying to be nice to not make Christopher feel bad, but I could see them going either way if they were interacting with just Lorelai. They all know her pretty well and I think that they will be kind of in shock and not sure how to act. And yeah, I hope Sookie does continue to speak her mind on this. I think that Lorelai needs someone to be the voice of reason in her life. The person who kind of pulls her back down to earth. It's interesting because I always considered Luke to be that person for her, but sadly Lorelai wasn't that person for Luke. I think that is an important part of a relationship, being able to help them balance out everything. I think that is the problem with Lorelai and Christopher. I had a friend liken himelf to a kite that's way up high in the clouds, but his fiance was much more grounded and was able to pull that string and pull him down when he needed it and sometimes he had to do that for her. I think that Lorelai and Christopher are both kites and nobody is holding the string and the wind is dying down.

pimbolina · 11-18-2006, 01:53 AM

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I think that Lorelai and Christopher are both kites and nobody is holding the string and the wind is dying down.

I love the reference. And I agree.

Luke was the one holding Lorelai, in a positive way, bringing her back to earth to face reality, after she had her had her head in the clouds for a while.

Cappuccino · 11-18-2006, 01:57 AM

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That's exactly what's going on. Chris is so sure that this is what they both want that when he sees LL interacting, he won't be able to deny a few things. So that means he has to pull that girly scarf of his off and attempt to prove his "manhood" in a fight.

Plus he never witnessed them really together. I mean he saw them in WBB but he was drunk and jealous and Luke and Lorelai were not in their world - so they were not themselves really - if that makes sense. He never saw them banter, having fun and be just Luke and Lorelai. He never saw or believed what strong connection they had and still have. I mean they were best friends for a long time. They went through a lot as friends and as lovers. He never saw that. He never knew that and he will probably never understand that because in his eyes there's only one person for Lorelai - HE, HE, HE and HE.