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Old 11-16-2006, 04:39 PM
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I agree with you. What does Logan have to gain by telling Lucy? He'll only be hurting Lucy, and maybe Marty. If he's taking a stab at Marty because of Rory, it seems vindictive and immature.
We don't know that Logan hasn't talked about this with Rory. I'm pretty sure Rory told Logan about Marty acting weird, and Logan telling Rory to stop the charade and tell Lucy the truth or Marty to shove it. But Rory may have said "I can't just do that..." (Classic!)

Logan following along with the pretense (he would also have to pretend that HE didn't know Marty through Rory from before) would have made the lie stranger and bigger and bigger. I think he did it to expose Marty primarily, not to hurt Rory. Though I do think that Rory will be upset with him for what he did.
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Psst. I just came back from the tour and according to the guide there has NOT been build a new set for Rory. Believe him or not. I take no responsibility if he was lying
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:47 PM
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Although Sarah, from the epi description it seems Logan finds out about the pretense FIRST, before revealing the truth to Lucy. So it doesn't look like the reveal was accidental or unintentional.

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Rory should have been more upfront and honest (not to mention Marty). But that point is moot, the lie has been cast, so to speak. Do NOT blame Logan for not choosing to go along with the charade, or for deciding to spare Lucy. I agree that his intentions may not be entirely "innocent", as he probably knows that Marty still likes Rory. But please, don't make him out to be the villain and Marty the innocent.
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That's true Jason, the truth is better than living a lie, even if it hurts, but I think Logan is not doing it for Lucy's sake, but for his own reasons.
It would have been better for Logan to confront Rory or Marty alone, to give them the chance to tell Lucy the truth on their own though.
I agree. It just seems like a really backhanded way to do things.
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:50 PM
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Thanks for the DR interview link, Katie. So he's being honest and respectful about the characters. Okay.
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We don't know that Logan hasn't talked about this with Rory. I'm pretty sure Rory told Logan about Marty acting weird, and Logan telling Rory to stop the charade and tell Lucy the truth or Marty to shove it. But Rory may have said "I can't just do that..." (Classic!)

Logan following along with the pretense (he would also have to pretend that HE didn't know Marty through Rory from before) would have made the lie stranger and bigger and bigger. I think he did it to expose Marty primarily, not to hurt Rory. Though I do think that Rory will be upset with him for what he did.
We don't know what motivates him to tell Lucy, or if he discusses it with Rory or Marty, and we can speculate until the moon is blue, but we can't be sure of anything. My post was based on my own initial reaction to the way the episode description is worded. However it happens, I don't think it's Logan's place to tell Lucy anyway. As I said, what does he have to gain by doing that?
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Old 11-16-2006, 04:53 PM
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I still think we aren't getting the entire story. How many times have episode descriptions been off. Plus, my A plan would still work with him knowing ahead of time. People ruin surprise parties all the time by accidentally letting it slip. It would be so easy for Logan to mention "hey remember when we" in a story, and there it is, for everyone to deal with.

I just personally don't think Logan is a vindictive person. Jealous yes, but Marty has a girlfriend, so I really don't think that's it. I don't know, it just doesn't sound right to me.
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Okee, just came home from the movies (Babel, great great movie, am still in awe). Only here to update the first posts, sort of tired.

So about this info from anvils, what ep where they shooting at the moment. Ep 11 or has shooting of 12 already started?
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Thanks for the new episode description. At least it gives us a little more to go by. I'm Very interested to see how LC fight over whether they should say their vows at this party turns out. Will they say it at the party or will it be the final nail in the coffin?
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:03 PM
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I agree with you. What does Logan have to gain by telling Lucy? He'll only be hurting Lucy, and maybe Marty. If he's taking a stab at Marty because of Rory, it seems vindictive and immature.
What about this is mature to begin with? By going along he would be perpetuation and growing an already immature lie. Marty is being ridiculous in the first place by pretending to not know her, which tells me there's more to the story there. He's told Lucy something about Rory that he doesn't want her to connect the dots and realize he's talking about her new friend. Rory's being dishonest and immature by facilitating and perpetuating the lie.

The real victim in all of this is Lucy.
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Thanks for bringing it over.
Reading the interview I found this part interesting:
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It's one of those things like I feel like we’re in a place where the season we have planned, the ending of the season could serve as the ending for the show or serve as the new beginning for a new season and its one of those things where I think we're planning to be in a position where it could feel like, "Ooh, this is the start of a new, interesting chapter in the Gilmore Girls lives," or it can also feel like an ending. So, I think strategically we’ve kind of tried to envision an ending that could serve as an ending or a beginning of a new chapter and a new season.
I think, Lorelai and Luke are the endgame. L&C got married, they start their renewed relationship right now, so neither their wedding, nor starting living together could serve as an (huge) event ending the entire show or as the great beginning for the last 8th season. Probably we get Luke's proposal/or even L&L wedding at the end of season 7, and if there's the next season, it will be about their family(maybe child?), if not, the audience should be satisfied because of the happy end.
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Thanks for the thread, Babs.

Peachy, we disagree about most subjects in relation to this show, and you have made it known how you feel about me. Should I not react to you as being wrong all the time? Should there be a different response? Luckily, I do not hold a grudge, and I did give you some dap in the last thread. Nevertheless, they are not unrecognizable shadows, and I will never stop fighting you or anyone else on this point. This is who they are. This is who they have always been. To me, you cannot blame the writers for seeing the characters in such a way, that you and many others never did. Remember: I am in this as well. Apparently, I was wrong, and watching the eps again...I see how wrong that I was to assume LL had some great ship. Luke and Lorelai are flawed people. I feel that many a JJ or LL fan, make them out to be SUPERHEROES (like charmed) how did I think she was a superhero?? , and glaze over all of their flaws, I never glazed over their flaws, I have yet to put one character on a pedastal like so many. When they are nothing but people with flaws. Trying to do the best they can. < I agree with that

Now on to charmed. Yay, I love being the center of attention Nice support of Lorelai. Essentially, again, you act as if you are Lorelai, and because you would do what Lorelai did. This makes Lorelai's actions A OK! Um, no, I think in terms of character behavior, she did the same thing when talking about Rory about Dean and loosing virginity thing. Lorelai went after her daughter when she walked out crying on the lawn, What was it Rory did?? Sit there and listen?? No, she didnt. Lorelai offered her an olive branch, Rory pushed her away. I was not basing my opinion on my experience, but what had happened in the past. Well, no, Lorelai's actions suck hairy wookie balls, and there is no defense for them. She sold out her kid. She did not have to blindingly support her kid. All Lorelai had to do was BE A MOM. IMO, she was being a mom, everyone thinks she should of just supported her daughters decision to leave college, I think if it was for something OTHER than Rory leaving cause Mitchum said she didnt have it, I think the situation would have been different, but She was leaving cause MH told her she didnt have it, she was knocked off her high horse, but the show has alwas portrayed Rory as confident in her ability as a journalism, she even took Paris down a notch at Chilton, again Im basing my opinion on past character behavior. Lorelai always supported her daughter, but I think it was very difficult for Lorelai not to help her daughter, but this was something that Rory had to figure out herself. Instead of being a mom. She decided to be a selfish brat, that got more mad about some pithy **** than her KID'S ISSUES. What's more important charmed? THE LOVE? OR THE BULL****? Lorelai chose the bull****. Not true, Lorelai tried tough love, she couldnt let Rory dwell in self pity, cause that was all it was, Lorelia knew her daughter, what she can do, she wanted her to know that MH wasnt the only one in the world who can see Rorys potential. All she had to do was be a MOM. She was being a mom, moms dont just say, okay you dropped out of school, sit home and sult till you get that door greeter at Walmart, She did what she had to do, take the cushion part out of Rory's life to make her stand on her own to figure out for herself who she is, thats beign a mom. That's different from being Rory's friend.

Finally, Chris is boring? Really? Why is he boring? Oh, he's not Luke. Sorry. I forgot that LUKE "BIG DICK JOHNSON" DANES is soooo deep and soooo interesting. My mistake. Yes, I am ****ing around, but this is the bizarro version take on all of your Chris is BORING discussion!

ETA: Panda, that's a ****ing post right there. You pretty much nailed. Lorelai is not a closer. She cannot close on the big situations in life. <true Hopefully, this will change, in the future.

And why is Logan involved in this pithy **** between Marty, Rory, and Lucy? You Marty lovin JJs will probably hate this, and the Sophies are most likely not down with it. However, Logan, so needs to drop Marty. <yup
sorry if I disagree with everyone, I just see the situation differently, but thats just me.
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Thanks for the new episode description. At least it gives us a little more to go by. I'm Very interested to see how LC fight over whether they should say their vows at this party turns out. Will they say it at the party or will it be the final nail in the coffin?
I really hope they don't say it, but I have no reasons besides my selfish, not wanting to see CL be like that, reasons.

I could see it going a lot of ways. Lorelai just saying no... but then again, Chris has really been able to push her into things lately with some ILYs and some talk about the past and his sad faces. I can't see a way for her to not do it if that's what he wants... i think she's rather just agree to it, and go through with it then ruin the party for ER and continue on a fight with Chris.

but if she doesn't do it, flat out refuses to do something just because of the pressure, i'd love it, it would be strong, independent Lorelai coming back. And it really could be the start of everything crumbling for CL and their marriage.
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What about this is mature to begin with? By going along he would be perpetuation and growing an already immature lie. Marty is being ridiculous in the first place by pretending to not know her, which tells me there's more to the story there. He's told Lucy something about Rory that he doesn't want her to connect the dots and realize he's talking about her new friend. Rory's being dishonest and immature by facilitating and perpetuating the lie.

The real victim in all of this is Lucy.
Logan won't have to go along with the lie, but he should give Marty or Rory the chance to explain everything to Lucy, Logan shouldn't be the one telling Lucy, because IMO he's doing it for the wrong reasons.
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Old 11-16-2006, 05:12 PM
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We don't know what motivates him to tell Lucy, or if he discusses it with Rory or Marty, and we can speculate until the moon is blue, but we can't be sure of anything. My post was based on my own initial reaction to the way the episode description is worded. However it happens, I don't think it's Logan's place to tell Lucy anyway. As I said, what does he have to gain by doing that?
Rory is his girlfriend, Marty likes Rory, and Marty and Rory together putting up this pretense is suspicious and strange and upsetting and may evoke jealousy in Logan. True, it is not the best way to go; I do agree with you that Marty and/or Rory should be the one to tell Lucy. But they don't. And it is upsetting to know your girlfriend is going along with this and upsetting to be caught in the middle of it. Logan would have to pretend not to know Marty, too, hence HE would be lying as well. He may not have wanted to go along with that.

What does Logan gain by doing this? Perhaps the inane, immature, but immense satisfaction of seeing Marty get his comeuppance for lying to his girlfriend, and pulling Rory along in the sham. (Much like the satisfaction of pulling a punch at Chris. Or Luke.)
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