Spoilers - Gilmore Girls Spoilers and Speculation #96 - Page 12

FuzzyCerts · 11-15-2006, 12:38 PM

And when Chriss is faced with a problem he throws money at it, wanna impress Rory ?? Pay for Yale or take her staff out to lunch, Lorelai´s hungry ?? Buy the damn place.......but soon little Chrissy will find out that money can´t buy everything or solve problems, real life problems....

Btw, Luke would have made her a burger - and from what I remember - THAT is more along the speed of what would have made Lorelai swoon, real Lorelai that is....

charmed1NM · 11-15-2006, 12:44 PM

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And when Chriss is faced with a problem he throws money at it, wanna impress Rory ?? Pay for Yale or take her staff out to lunch, Lorelai´s hungry ?? Buy the damn place.......but soon little Chrissy will find out that money can´t buy everything or solve problems, real life problems....

Btw, Luke would have made her a burger - and from what I remember - THAT is more along the speed of what would have made Lorelai swoon, real Lorelai that is....

that is not true, Chris paid for Yale as a gesture of sharing, not to impress Rory. As for Luke, sure he cooked for her, but the relationship did not crumble because Chris had money or Luke made her a damn fine burger

FuzzyCerts · 11-15-2006, 12:46 PM

And this ring is so not Lorelai....

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It's very important to find a man who can pick out your jewelry.

Ooops.....

lemon tart · 11-15-2006, 12:46 PM

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lemon tart, are you saying that Lorelai can't have both, "the world" and a husband and kids? Does marriage preclude persuing "new opportunities"? Do woman have to chose between "apron strings" and "happyily ever after"?

No, and that goes for both of them. However, looking at Lorelai's choices in the last year, do you realistically see her, actually not her but Luke, going to marry her in the next year? Lorelai's made choices that were bad, which should have some consiquences. Should they not? Or should her bad decisions be rewarded with her getting to be happy in a few episodes with Luke? Does that not devalue Luke and what you feel they have?

Talk about mentally unstable. She's an adult that goes within 2 years from asking one man to marry her, twice, to marrying another one, divorcing him and marrying the first guy?

I'm looking at that. And from there I conclude Luke is going to be massively hurt by her decisions, he already has been. Therefore, I see a slow rebuilding of their friendship, which I think will help undermine her *happiness* reminding her what has been really important in her adult life. Her friends & Rory. Both haven't been regarded by her actions. I think Luke will forgive her, but I think it will take time.

And so I think, if the show ends this season we're left with a Lorelai that figures out what is important to her, which will eventually lead her back to Luke, but it also leaves her alone for a time. Which then begs the question of what she's going to do. Rory's raised, she's not in a relationship, she has the ablity to find out what's out there. Her always coming home to Stars Hollow being one of the things that translates to Luke that she's finally made up her mind who and what she wants. And it wasn't me that said she didn't want kids again right away, that was Lorelai. She wanted the time to explore the what ifs. That's her saying she wants some time maybe with a partner, but not with more kids. That maybe one doesn't have to do with the other.

I've always thought they won't get back together till S8, but if we don't get a S8 then I think the best that will happen is a 5 years from now kinda thing. Rory made stupid choices, she had to deal with them, from doing community service, to watching Paris become editor when she could have been in the mix originally, etc. Most of Rory's bad choices though hurt Rory, not others. Though Dean's bitterness tells that her and his choices had consiquences for him. Lorelai's choices have and will hurt other people, people she loves. Rory, Luke, Chris, Gigi--who seems very comfortable with Lorelai as a mother figure--should her choices not have meaning? Should she decide she wants Luke and Luke go, okay, great, she wants me now? Regardless of the decisions she's made recently?

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I'm a little older than Lorelai

FWIW, I'm slightly younger. Less than a year. Which is part of the lense I see Rory's decisions through, to be honest.

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And why is Rory only deserving of both career and family/kids?

No, and that's not what I was saying. But I don't think Rory getting engaged or married to Logan means kids right away. Even if they did/do get engaged I don't see them having kids for 5-7 years. They have no hurry. She can focus on her career, just like he can, for several years before she needs to even think about trying to balance a family with that. That though doesn't mean this:

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Rory flying away to whatever she wants to do, unencumbered by responsiblities

I guess my question is when has that ever fit Rory? She's always been about balancing a relationship with school & life. She did it with Dean, she tried to with Jess, she's doing it with Logan. It's not about what either of them deserve, it's about personality, and decisions, in Lorelai's case bad ones, having meaning. Unlike Lorelai, Rory's balancing of both begins with the pilot. She's never been an either/or girl. And her now thinking about exploring other options, tells me she's again going to consider how to fit a relationship into her career goals. Now, it's more consiquential, since it's the actual building of a life with an actual person in the form of Logan.

Also, like George, I don't dislike Luke. I don't dislike Chris either, though. And the only thing I care about, re Lorelai's future, is that she's figured out how to be happy. Which is the same thing I want for Rory, where I hope for something, but have to an extent accepted the fact that the writers might decide to go a different direction.

lancer1993 · 11-15-2006, 12:57 PM

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And when Chriss is faced with a problem he throws money at it, wanna impress Rory ?? Pay for Yale or take her staff out to lunch, Lorelai´s hungry ?? Buy the damn place.......but soon little Chrissy will find out that money can´t buy everything or solve problems, real life problems....

Btw, Luke would have made her a burger - and from what I remember - THAT is more along the speed of what would have made Lorelai swoon, real Lorelai that is....

Yep, and what happened to the kitchen scenes or did we get the cast notices wrong, I though there was a kitchen scene?

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And this ring is so not Lorelai....

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It's very important to find a man who can pick out your jewelry.

Ooops.....

And could they make the band any wider! I meand the engagment one you could hardly see at times and looked a little loose (easier to get off before hoping into bed with Chris!) but this looked almost like it was clamped on to her finger, I didnt see was Chris wearing a ring?

ETA - lemon tart well Lore went from Luke "the first man I ever loved" to "I do" in 7 eps, so why not back to Luke in the next 15?

I guess Chris is the second man she loved, second best is something right

wrenlynn · 11-15-2006, 01:04 PM

Just a quick thought. I keep thinking about how many times Lorelia mentioned a hamburger and being hungry. Maybe its a metaphor for Luke and being starved for Luke and the hamburger representing Luke. OK been a long day... I am 37 remarried in may2005 had a baby july this year.. I have a son 17 also.. Lorelia's character could have a child and really enjoy it differently than her relationship w/ Rory.

Ciaobella · 11-15-2006, 01:12 PM

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Talk about mentally unstable. She's an adult that goes within 2 years from asking one man to marry her, twice, to marrying another one, divorcing him and marrying the first guy?

Well I certainly agree with you there. If this were RL, she'd be admitted to some nice quiet facility where she'd be taking up knitting.

But you bring up the time factor here, and I really don't thinnk we are going to get an eighth season. Which is why some kind of forced resolution to this seven year arc - the Luke and Lorelai love story - has to happen in nine episodes. And this is where Luke comes in. Not only will he be shown to be there for Emily even though he isn't romantically involved with Lorelai, even though she broke his heart and even though Emily humilated him repeatedly, Luke loves her more than he loves himself. After Lorelai successfully convinces him of her true love for him, it will be up to Luke to take her back. And he will. At that point I don't see the two of them waiting anymore.

lemon tart · 11-15-2006, 01:13 PM

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ETA - lemon tart well Lore went from Luke "the first man I ever loved" to "I do" in 7 eps, so why not back to Luke in the next 15?

So you want her to treat Luke with the same desperate to be happy capriciousness that she's conducted her relationship with Chris? Interesting. I personally want more for Logan and for Rory as individuals and as a couple.

TheJSW · 11-15-2006, 01:14 PM

Pam, that was a post. It's about clearing the slate clean of all the detritus from the previous Luke and Lorelai relationship...which sucked. Once you clear the detritus, then they can be together again.

That aside, Bella, is that a joking comment? Go over to E! online, read Kristen's ratings column, and notice how many people are watching Dancing with the Stars. That show killed GG. As pointed out previous in the Sophie thread; GG is the third highest rated NEXT DAY viewed DVR programe. So, people are watching it, but waiting til the next day to watch it. Due to their COMMITMENT to DwtS. Again, next week, the ratings will go up. They will probably be up to either a 3.5 or maybe even a 4. Whateverthecase, multiply 2.5 million by 40. GG has grossed more with DVDs than most films, and it's all PROFIT. Everything is fine.

Peachy, Rory and Logan, would be better to focus on with a happy relationship storyline. However, DwtS, would have killed it just as much. Let us also not forget that the only reason Top Model does so well...it's up against nothing. Once it's gone. GG and Smallville carry the network. I just think that the competition is killing the WB shows because they were never up against this competition (all across the country) in primetime.

With that other thing, I am a Sophie. Do you think I hate Luke? Yeah, I like Chris. However, all of this, comes down to a difference in philosophy. The Sophies and some other posters are just fundamentally different viewers and fans of this than JJs and LLs. It's right here in black and white on the screen.

Finally, back to Bella, MORE THAN LORELAI most likely means more than living the life that Lorelai led. A life without romance and love in it. No offense, but anyone claiming Rory should go into the cold cold night alone. Obviously misses out on Rory always having romance and love in her life, and how they go part and parcel with her.

lancer1993 · 11-15-2006, 01:16 PM

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Just a quick thought. I keep thinking about how many times Lorelia mentioned a hamburger and being hungry. Maybe its a metaphor for Luke and being starved for Luke and the hamburger representing Luke. OK been a long day... I am 37 remarried in may2005 had a baby july this year.. I have a son 17 also.. Lorelia's character could have a child and really enjoy it differently than her relationship w/ Rory.

Well yes she likes burgers so yep she wants Luke's Maybe they go to Luke's like nothing happend and Luke see the rings?

IMO the reason she is wanting to marry now (and last season) is all to do with Rory, she didnt care who she married, she just wanted to be happy and start a new family 'cause Rory is leaving soon!

Yes I'm bitter, I just watch this weeks episode!

FuzzyCerts · 11-15-2006, 01:17 PM

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After Lorelai successfully convinces him of her true love for him, it will be up to Luke to take her back. And he will. At that point I don't see the two of them waiting anymore

And with this I´m going to bed....night

Only a pity that we won´t have a glimpse of their middle, but right now, I take everything I can get....

lancer1993 · 11-15-2006, 01:20 PM

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Well I certainly agree with you there. If this were RL, she'd be admitted to some nice quiet facility where she'd be taking up knitting.

But you bring up the time factor here, and I really don't thinnk we are going to get an eighth season. Which is why some kind of forced resolution to this seven year arc - the Luke and Lorelai love story - has to happen in nine episodes. And this is where Luke comes in. Not only will he be shown to be there for Emily even though he isn't romantically involved with Lorelai, even though she broke his heart and even though Emily humilated him repeatedly, Luke loves her more than he loves himself. After Lorelai successfully convinces him of her true love for him, it will be up to Luke to take her back. And he will. At that point I don't see the two of them waiting anymore.

I like this

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So you want her to treat Luke with the same desperate to be happy capriciousness that she's conducted her relationship with Chris? Interesting. I personally want more for Logan and for Rory as individuals and as a couple.

Well I'm complicated in a simple way

FuzzyCerts · 11-15-2006, 01:26 PM

I just fear that it will be forced in the last 9 eps. Hopefully it´ll at least be plausble and believable.....Can a character get married twice in one season ??....
I´m not believing in a LL wedding anymore, but a girl can dream, right ???

Ciaobella · 11-15-2006, 01:32 PM

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Finally, back to Bella, MORE THAN LORELAI most likely means more than living the life that Lorelai led. A life without romance and love in it. No offense, but anyone claiming Rory should go into the cold cold night alone. Obviously misses out on Rory always having romance and love in her life, and how they go part and parcel with her.

Well Jason, since Lorelai made that statement in regard to getting Rory into Chilton, are you saying she only sent her there to nab a rich preppy boy? Maybe that's what Tristan was about lol.

Seriously, I think both mom and daughter can have both. I just think because of Lorelai's age, it may be more urgent for her to get it before Rory. That's all.

Captain Hawkeye · 11-15-2006, 01:40 PM

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All joking and ships aside, do you think the ratings are affected at all by the C&L story? I get the new network business and all that, but I wonder if there was, say, a more fun and focused story about Rory and Logan if the ratings might not improve some.

I don't know.

If GG's ratings were down and the other WB transplants were steady and ABC & NBC had the same programs opposite as last year yeah, I'd attribute it to the storyline. (Whether CL or no Logan is another debate

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If GG's ratings were up and everything on the CW was up over the WB, I'd credit the new network--generally shows in their 7th season are steady or slowly declining not rising. (L & O completely disproving that, however)

I believe that the new network is a cause, I believe DWTS is a cause. I believe the fact that this year's cliffhanger/storyline is not as compelling as the rift is a cause. (People may not have liked the rift but it made for compelling TV.)

Could LLC be a cause? Certainly. But not for a decline this steep. I base that on a couple of things:
(1) the ratings normally decline after the premier--this year they didn't. All of the drop took place before anyone saw how the cliffhanger was resolved. 29% of the viewers who watched the S6 premier reacted without seeing if LL really broke up and/or RL were really "parted." After this year's storylines were established ratings have risen a little bit from the premier. (In 5.02 lost 3.3% of 5.01 and 6.02 lost almost 7% of 6.01. 7.02 gained 2% from 7.01) So the bulk of the drop came before the unspoilt knew what the storylines would be, and when they found out they didn't stop watching.

(2) A/c to Craig's site (there's my best plug) ratings for
2.01 were 5.0,
3.01 were 5.4
4.01 were 5.2
5.01 were 5.7
6.01 were 5.4

no other season had a 29% change. If LL kissing and Rory sleeping with Dean in 4.22 and the rift and proposal in 5.22 couldn't move ratings that much, why should LC?

The storyline probably does have an effect: S5 had higher ratings in the first half than S4, S6 had higher ratings in the first half S5. And there was no network change of superhit moving in.

But I'd guess DWTS plays a bigger role: the drop in S5 ratings in the second half were comperable to S6's drops once AI appeared (5.15 was down 13% from 5.01, 6.15 was down 14% from 6.01).

And there is the CW. Obviously there is no historical basis to make a comparrison. I do note that 7H and other transplants from the WB are down more than 29%.

I believe the fact that there is nothing as compelling as the rift hurts ratings.

If you want my opinion on LC storyline: The numbers aren't definitive--for all we know LC is wildly popular and the numbers would be worse without it. Do I believe that? No. Can I look at the numbers and disprove it? No

The numbers do show that DWTS is hurting and the new network is hurting and that the effects of those are greater than what we've seen storylines in S4, S5 & S6 affect ratings

But, (my opinion) yeah the storyline could be responsible for a share of that, however (fact) it's a fairly insignificant share vs the CW and DWTS.

P.S: To pre-empt the response that the storylines cost GG 1 mil viewers over S6, they also cost 1 mil viewers over S5--and people loved those storylines.

Of course, we could blame it ALL on the Aerie Girls