[TheJSW]

Yes Mickey, as if your post are so easy to comprehend. It's not my fault that you have no idea what the hell I am referencing. You are on the net. You also may be using a web browser that highlights certain words, and may even explain what they mean. If you want to keep on going with these comments, then out come the teeth. If not, then, please keep it to yourself. I know that I keep many a thought about you to myself...boo. See? It's supposed to be ominous and threatening...but it still chaffes my hide...everytime you put it out there even if you are being honest.

[MickeyJr3000]

But, then again, he has been being portrayed as woefully clueless about Rory and Lorelai, so I guess anything is possible, but I really hope they don't go this route - I don't want C/L to end in an ugly fashion - I just want them to end with the recognition that the fantasy did not pan out -

But...he's a plot device. That's what happens to plot devices.
Seriously. You think they'll change his character to make him more wise than he has been? He's the same guy who declared the best night of his life was when Lorelai kissed him, and then declared in front of Luke that Luke was the 'for now' guy...simultaneously begging Lorelai to take him back.

Oh, and his cluelessness in previous seasons as to how Rory feels about him. Like when she told him to stay away from her mom and got mad when he didn't listen. Or when he didn't think that, perhaps, Rory was mad that Chris ran off again and that's why she wasn't calling him (3.02).

[jillianries]

MickeyJr3000 Hard to decifer what Jason said, but he said something about April's freakout breakdown. I haven't seen the scene more than once, but from my memory, the writing was probably fine/great and realistic for a 13 year old. It was VM's acting that ruined it. It was over-the-top crying that was worse than Rory's breakdown in the psychologist's office last season. Yes, a 13 year old can be immature and cry. But I've never seen a kid go off the handle in such an extreme way within three seconds. That's called a friggen temper tantrum, not a kind who's venting her frustrations. When she was sick last week, I loved her tantrum because she was SICK and moody and taking it out on Luke that she couldn't go to the party. This time, the over-the-top doesn't work as well.

You are very lucky indeed. The 'fit' VM threw was very much in keeping with a thirteen year old as many parents can tell you, in fact it probably was unreal because of the lack of staying power and drama (you don't understand me, NOBODY understands me, my life is OVER! etc) At this stage in their lives teens have more hormonal rages than logic thought and a mood swing is really a swing, 0-60 in less than a second. I thought it was done very well and Luke did exactly the right thing with removing her from the diner although the trying to 'fix' things usually results in a greater elevation of emotion much like a two year old throwing a temper tantum.

[noodle_scooze]

Anybody watch DH? Well there's this triangle going on with Susan/Mike/Ian and Mike just recently was arrested for murder. So Susan who broke up with Mike and is going out with Ian is trying to help Mike by finding him a lawyer and stuff. Ian doesn't like this so he offers to hire the best lawyer (Ian's loaded) for Mike if Susan agrees to never talk to Mike again. Susan of course agreed because she still cares about Mike and wants to help him any way possible.

When I read the spoiler about Lorelai writing a character reference....I thought of the DH storyline. We know Chris finds out about the reference. What if he offers to hire the best custody lawyer for Luke if Lorelai agrees to not talk to him again. Of course Luke wouldn't take anything from Chris but Lorelai could say that she found this lawyer through her parents or something.

Any thoughts?

[caf123]

Originally Posted by TheJSW (View Post) ETA: I am going to ask nicely. Otherwise, I would be dropping curses in here like Ralphis dropping bombs on Scott Fargas. So, could you JJs, post those articles in YOUR OWN THREAD? Seriously, all they do is piss of half the thread inadvertantly, because it's not any JJs fault that these writers are ****ing idiots. That entire EW.com review goes on about Marty as if Logan were some *******. How am I supposed to take that article? IF it's me. I get pissed off and want to curse to high heaven, then flame that person so hard. That she's crying afterwards. That's how aggrevated I become by those ****ing articles. So, I am begging, pleading, and asking you to post them elsewhere. Since they do not fit HERE because this is the MAIN THREAD. Where we DISCUSS the ENTIRE SHOW not just part of it...like all of those articles many of you post.

For heavens sake! It wasn't a JJ article. Half the article was about Rory.

More to the point, this is the Main thread - and all legitimate articles belong here, they show what the critical reaction is, what's being said about this show. Whether we like it or not.

Seem to recall an article a couple of weeks ago that said, now Lorelai had married Christopher she should at least stay with him and not be a skank who moves straight on to option 2. Or back to option 2, Whatever.

We don't post articles just because we agree or disagree with them. Yikes.

[TheJSW]

So, everyone else on the show can change, but Chris? How can anyone hate or be aggrevated by a character this much? Chris has changed, but he's not perceptive. The reason why he's the most perceptive person. Most likely stems back to his parents. Who probably raised him in a rather straigh-ahead way, that made perceiving people rather pointless. Chris has even less perception than Luke did last year. It's sad but it's realistic. Some people need the PEOPLE in their lives to FILL THEM IN. Lorelai nor her daughter have ever filled Chris in on how much of a team they were. He knew they were a team, but he never knew to what extent. He had no idea how the town worked. He's probably still a bit put off.

Again, Chris is under a microscope, and of course he's going to fail. He does not have people around him supportive enough or concise enough to help him out. So, he will get trapped, because Lorelai refuses to EVOLVE. Fun times. Fun times.

That aside, caf, according to...THE CONDUCTOR (Yes George, that's your new nick name), there have been several anvils over the last weeks. Several. These anvils lead to only one conclusion. As does the writing of VOLTRON this season. Which has put SHO-RUNNA and SGGWT into a corner with where they can take VOLTRON. They have a storyline that may not be given as much time as other aspects of the show. However, they have always been destined to have more of a story NEXT YEAR than THIS YEAR. Plus, most people online ignore it anyway. Which means they are not going to see it coming.

ETA: How in the hell was half that article about Rory? It was about that whack ass bloggers interpretation of RORY. If the person actually watched the show. If they actually paid attention. They would sort of get why Marty has not and never will be any of a match for Rory. None of these articles are legitimate because not only do they IGNORE OR OBSFUGATE Rory's part of the show. They also main focus on ONE ASPECT OF THE SHOW that fits more in the LL thread then it does here.

You see them as legitimate. I see them as you or anyone else posting something that aggrevates me and possibly half the thread. If anything is being shoved down my throat. It's these ridiculous ****ing articles.

[Sandlynn]

Originally Posted by Ciaobella (View Post) Ok my spec: the sucker punch and High Noon at SH (lovin' the avi Mag) were not just random. After Chris reads Lorelai's glowing character reference for Luke, Chris is not only going to get pissed, he's going to get even. As in interferring in the custody suit and bringing Luke's "violent" behaviour to the court's attention. This will be the final straw that breaks in his relationship with Lorelai. I also spec that Lorelai declares that if Luke loses his rights and moves to NM to be near April, she's going with him. Enter Emily and Richard to save the day.

Huh? Ohhh, you're talking about Christopher. I thought you were talking about Lex Luthor.

[caf123]

Originally Posted by jillianries (View Post) You are very lucky indeed. The 'fit' VM threw was very much in keeping with a thirteen year old as many parents can tell you, in fact it probably was unreal because of the lack of staying power and drama (you don't understand me, NOBODY understands me, my life is OVER! etc) At this stage in their lives teens have more hormonal rages than logic thought and a mood swing is really a swing, 0-60 in less than a second. I thought it was done very well and Luke did exactly the right thing with removing her from the diner although the trying to 'fix' things usually results in a greater elevation of emotion much like a two year old throwing a temper tantum.

Preach it, mother friend!

[MickeyJr3000]

Originally Posted by noodle_scooze (View Post) Anybody watch DH? Well there's this triangle going on with Susan/Mike/Ian and Mike just recently was arrested for murder. So Susan who broke up with Mike and is going out with Ian is trying to help Mike by finding him a lawyer and stuff. Ian doesn't like this so he offers to hire the best lawyer (Ian's loaded) for Mike if Susan agrees to never talk to Mike again. Susan of course agreed because she still cares about Mike and wants to help him any way possible. When I read the spoiler about Lorelai writing a character reference....I thought of the DH storyline. We know Chris finds out about the reference. What if he offers to hire the best custody lawyer for Luke if Lorelai agrees to not talk to him again. Of course Luke wouldn't take anything from Chris but Lorelai could say that she found this lawyer through her parents or something. Any thoughts?

1. DH is stealing storylines from GG, or vice versa
2. Or someone is working for both series and is pulling a Benedict Arnold.

I think it's the latter.

Jason, whatever Someone else made it make sense. Apparently, the temper tantrum is normal for a 13 year old. While I agree, I felt like the scene was uneven somehow. Maybe it's because the scene was too quick and rushed through, leaving me feeling unsatisfied. Actually, I think if I had seen more of a build-up...20 more seconds of April PRIOR to her tantrum, I would have been happier. The scene jumped into her tantrum too quick, and because it was her first and only moment in the episode, it made things feel uneven. I needed more of a build up. 10-20 more seconds just watching April being moody in the Diner while Luke was serving stuff may have done it for me.

I'm not doubting that a child will get overly emotional and lash out around her age. I have a 12 year old sister who did just that last night while I was watching the episode. At least 5 times because she was really frustrated with homework. And when I say lash out, I'm pretty much saying it was as dramatic, if not more, than April's tantrums in both this and last weeks' episodes.

[TheJSW]

Sandlynn, actually, Christopher is more like the Marvel villian APOCOLYPSE. Thus, this would be the AGE OF CHRISTOPHER, and now Paris is walking around burnt. Due in large part to Doyle using his heat vison on her. It's a tangled web we weave. This is a rather latent reference. If you know a thing or two about comics.

[lemon tart]

Originally Posted by MickeyJr3000 (View Post) I haven't seen the scene more than once, but from my memory, the writing was probably fine/great and realistic for a 13 year old. It was VM's acting that ruined it. It was over-the-top crying that was worse than Rory's breakdown in the psychologist's office last season.

Actually I think it's a perfect ||. KAB was perfect in that scene. She was supposed to be a bit over the top and funny, she was. I think that scene is hilarious. Here VM was, I think, supposed to be emotional and make you empathize with April. I just thought VM needed some better direction and help from SP & KO. Because she was too much.

The two scenes were played for different responses, one humor & silliness, one emotional. One worked perfectly, IMO. The other didn't.

[Sandlynn]

Originally Posted by Ciaobella (View Post) And who here doesn't think Lorelai's letter doesn't exactly say how much of a regular townie Luke has been in Rory's life? Not me .

Lorelai is going to paint it the most positive way she knows how to help a friend. Whatever it takes, I'm sure.

[MickeyJr3000]

Originally Posted by lemon tart (View Post) Actually I think it's a perfect ||. KAB was perfect in that scene. She was supposed to be a bit over the top and funny, she was. I think that scene is hilarious. Here VM was, I think, supposed to be emotional and make you empathize with April. I just thought VM needed some better direction and help from SP & KO. Because she was too much.

Yeah, I think that helps explain it. I did, in a way, like the psychiatrist scene. It was really funny. I don't think VM was supposed to play it for laughs.

Chris has changed, but he's not perceptive. The reason why he's the most perceptive person. Most likely stems back to his parents. Who probably raised him in a rather straigh-ahead way, that made perceiving people rather pointless. Chris has even less perception than Luke did last year. It's sad but it's realistic. Some people need the PEOPLE in their lives to FILL THEM IN. Lorelai nor her daughter have ever filled Chris in on how much of a team they were. He knew they were a team, but he never knew to what extent. He had no idea how the town worked. He's probably still a bit put off. Again, Chris is under a microscope, and of course he's going to fail. He does not have people around him supportive enough or concise enough to help him out. So, he will get trapped, because Lorelai refuses to EVOLVE. Fun times. Fun times.

Though, you have to admit Jason, that Lorelai IS trying Her way of saving Christopher from his ultimate doom is either by not letting him interact with the town at all (to avoid him from doing something stupid), or making him go on man dates and dress properly for them to make a good impression on the town. She's trying to lead and direct him in being the perfect accessory man. But he's not exactly noticing that.

[TheJSW]

She was TOO MUCH because it's TOO MUCH. You finally get a life, and your mom pulls it out from under you. If that's not TOO MUCH. I have no idea what is. Again, this is not defending VM, but the rather emotional response. Which reminded me of the time that I freaked out after the 1991 NFC Championship. That, Laura, was indeed...TOO MUCH.

ETA: Mickey, but Chris wants to try. He's trying, but Lorelai refuses to help him out. As if he wants to be kept in the house all day, staying online, and ordering really nice pants. He wants to be a part of her life. Yet, apparently, he's not good enough. That alone would drive me crazy. Maybe it drives Chris there as well?

I do have to disagree that the April's crying was played for laughs. That scene literally hurt me. I feel for the kid. Yet, it was too much?

[Cappuccino]

So, everyone else on the show can change, but Chris?

Oh he IS going to change and we'll get to see another sunny side of his